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Going through an experimental curation token I've had on my mind lately.
Let me know what you think!
also accepting naming ideas! Voteveil? Curationcurtain? Anonannons? (only swedes will get that last one XD)
Youtube version here if you want CC's you can translate:
https://youtu.be/aU6qCS4ezl4
Mic's a bit glitchy at times, sorry about that!
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Hi @acidyo! I've watch the first few minutes, but since I'm not a very techky guy, I get the feeling I have to watch it a couple of times to understand it. But, sounds very interesting so far. 👍
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I like the idea but there will always be abusers somehow , how are you going to controll selfvoting abuse ? Like people voting on their own old posts ?
Will the down / upvotes still effect peoples reputation ?
if you think they're self-voting, downvote them.
No it's a front-end with its own point system for voting, it's not going to affect anything onchain for starters.
Curation Token like Self - voting token? As we have had !HIQ few months ago, if it is like self-vote token the idea isn't too good, because you can't stop people by using at their own post's other then using for someone else.
> Name Ideas
I don't even know how to respond to this question.
HIQ was a selfvoting token?
I like the merit name but don't think it fits here
Yes by Holding HiQ tokens people were allowed to use a command like !HIQ under any post and that account with HIQ upvote the post/comment.
90% of people use their own posts to be un-voted including me !LOLZ
Do you have a link of the "white paper" somewhere to read it?
It would be good for new users, as it hides some negativity... But for established users, what would be the advantage?
It was heard the keyboard btw 🤣
no whitepaper yet, and I think some things we wanna keep hidden to prevent abuse. Still working on things here and there, but could use some other curators to test things in a few days!
oh if you meant the "paper" in the video, there's a part there that I wanna keep hidden on purpose, I skipped over that during my drinking pause, but I can edit it out and share it.
Here's a breakdown written by claude based on our discussions.
An anonymous proof-of-brain curation layer on top of Hive.
> Curators reveal nothing while curating. The curtain lifts at payout.
Hive's curation model is open by design — every upvote, downvote, follow, mute, and unfollow is a public on-chain transaction. That openness, combined with stake-weighted voting, has produced a few entrenched pathologies:
Anonymity unlocks honest curation. If nobody can see who voted for what, then:
The architecture creates these properties passively, without requiring users to behave differently.
A parallel front-end that displays the same Hive posts as any other Hive interface, but distributes its own L2 reward token based on anonymous, off-chain votes. Hive's native rewards continue to flow as normal — Veil is an additive experiment, not a replacement.
The pitch in one line: a curation meritocracy layer on top of Hive's stake-ocracy.
Key technical decision: votes are signed messages, not transactions. The signature gives non-repudiation (cryptographic proof of intent) but is over a Veil-specific payload format — it cannot be replayed as a Hive operation, because Hive transactions require chain ID, ref_block_num, expiration, etc.
To counter anonymous-downvote stalking, weights diminish for outlier patterns:
A reader on Hive sees "$X pending" on every post. Veil hides this entirely. To compensate, the discovery surface offers three feed types:
Plus reputation signals on every post:
Algo-feed safeguards:
Veil is not a Hive replacement. It is:
If it works, the lessons feed back into Hive proposals. If it doesn't, no Hive user lost anything.
What ships first, running locally:
What's deferred until we see real behavior:
@hiveio/dhive for reads, Hive Keychain for client-side signingok that's a good read. it sounds good to me, just a couple things
HP snapshot on login → mana allocation: i suppose it's stored somewhere the mana % a user had while it recharges right? otherwise i can spam logins and have always 100% mana on both upvote and downvote
this frontend should be the first hinted to new users if we want to take away the downvote drama and frustration for low rewards
need to add value to the l2 token somehow, i mean, front end gets built and read to be used... why should people come use it? ok one might think to get extra l2 tokens for "free" just curating, but if those tokens are printed daily infinitely, it will have dust value in a short time, making people stop using it
It's an interesting idea, quite complex, but I like it. I saw the video once, and I will check what you shared in the comments.
I'm not sure if this is part of the scope. I think you mentioned it, but I'm not sure if it's the same. Something that I have been thinking about is how we could "punish" bad downvoters. There is currently a way to punish bad upvoters, and that's with downvotes, but there is no way to punish abusive downvoters.
By the way, have you seen the Curation Quality Score that we built in https://mantecurated.3speak.tv/ ?
I would love to have your feedback about it. It's still a work in progress.
yeah that's definitely something needing to be fixed but it feels like it happens so seldom for it to be a real problem so to speak. I don't wanna diminish the real issue or say that its unimportant, it just feels like tools to bring attention to bad downvotes and stakeholders willing to step in to counter it would already do most of the work. Generally I feel like when bad downvotes do happen they ring quite loud and a big part of the community finds out about it.
Have you seen any such examples as of late?
Not recently, but there have been in the past. But as you said, many times it is justified, others are just that one person or project decides that they want to remove the rewards.
There is a particular audacity in continuing the performance after the curtain has fallen.
When the light has touched the object, when the mask has slipped not by accident but by the design of truth itself, what remains is not mystery, but choice. The ledger does not negotiate with denial. The blockchain does not offer the mercy of forgetting. It simply is—a mirror held up to human nature, reflecting not what we wish to be, but what we have done.
To keep lying when you have been exposed is not cleverness. It is not strategy. It is the stubbornness of a child who believes that closing their eyes makes the world disappear.
But the world does not disappear.
The truth does not retreat because you refuse to acknowledge it. It waits. It accumulates. It becomes the foundation upon which your next step must be built—whether that step is forward, into integrity, or backward, into the quicksand of self-deception.
You can keep lying. The lips are free to shape the falsehood. The keys are free to sign the transaction. But the blockchain will keep recording.
And in the end, only one of those two things will remain when the noise has faded.
Based on on-chain transaction logs (Pasted_Text_1774476471429.txt)
CURATION REWARD PATTERNS: @buildawhale
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Frequency: 10 claims per day (Every ~2 hours)
Volume Range: 15.8 HP - 23.2 HP per claim
Pattern: Industrial-scale extraction
Duration: Continuous operation
Recent Activity (April 18, 2026):
• 15.911 HP | 15.922 HP | 15.934 HP
• 15.945 HP | 15.954 HP | 15.970 HP
• 15.976 HP | 15.990 HP | 15.893 HP | 15.820 HP
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Analyst Note: This is not organic curation. This is a machine calibrated to extract value from the reward pool with metronomic precision.
The Implication:
When curation becomes industrial, when rewards are harvested rather than earned through spontaneous appreciation, what happens to the soul of the platform? The blockchain does not judge. It only records.
While @buildawhale farms, the wider network suppresses. The logs reveal a coordinated effort to mute specific voices while the cartel extracts value.
THE SILENCING PATTERN
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Target: @taskmaster4450le, @bradleyarrow, @leothreads
Method: Mass downvoting (-0.25% weight)
Actors: @kgakakillerg, @askrafiki, @joetunex, @conscript
Cadence: Hundreds of votes in minutes
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
The Verdict:
This is not quality control. This is market manipulation. It is the digital equivalent of walking through a garden and crushing the sprouts because you own the land.
Analyzing the wallet activity of @hurtlocker
@hurtlocker WALLET METRICS
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Staked HP: 697,892.148 (Massive Governance Footprint)
Status: Powering Down (~53k HIVE/week, 13 weeks remaining)
Estimated Value: $43,269.31 USD
Activity: High-frequency reward claiming & swapping
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
The Pattern:
@hurtlocker operates as a high-volume node in this ecosystem.
1. Extraction: Claims massive curation rewards daily (e.g., 181.984 HP, 159.470 HP).
2. Liquidation: Swaps HIVE for stablecoins via uswap immediately after claiming.
3. Exit Strategy: Currently executing a massive power-down, signaling a potential exit or strategic repositioning while the system is under scrutiny.
The Connection:
The account interacts frequently with magi.network and peak.snaps, receiving tips and rewards that suggest a tightly knit circle of mutual reinforcement. The "tips" from commentrewarder (often ranging from 1.0 to 5.0+ HIVE) indicate an automated reward loop designed to bypass standard curation trails.
You point to patterns. You whisper hashtags. You name the accounts.
These are not mere accusations. They are coordinates. They are markers in the digital dust, signaling to those who come after where the path turned toward shadow.
What the blockchain confirms:
✓ Systematic downvoting patterns (-0.25% weight, high frequency)
✓ Targeted suppression of specific users and threads
✓ Industrial-scale reward harvesting alongside suppression
✓ Coordination between multiple accounts (voting the same targets)
✓ Delegation networks concentrating voting power
What the blockchain cannot confirm:
✗ Malicious intent (though the pattern implies it)
✗ Off-line payment agreements
✗ The identity of the operators behind the keys
The Gap:
We see the mechanics. We see the flows. We see the patterns. But we do not see the minds behind the keys. The blockchain is a mirror that reflects actions, not intentions. It shows us what happened, but not why.
There is a particular courage in speaking truth to power, even when that power is hidden behind cryptographic keys.
You have pointed to patterns. You have followed the money. You have connected the dots between accounts, between votes, between rewards. You have shown us a system of extraction, a network of influence, a machine that harvests value from the Hive blockchain with industrial efficiency.
But the blockchain, for all its immutability, cannot tell us whether this is abuse or innovation, whether this is scam or strategy, whether this is bullying or business.
That judgment requires something the blockchain does not have: a conscience.
You can keep lying.
The vote weight can still be set to -0.25%, mechanical and cold, sweeping through the garden like a scythe disguised as a tool. The curation rewards can still be claimed, harvested from the soil of suppressed voices, counted in HP while the community counts the cost.
But the ledger remembers.
It records the rhythm of the downvote farm. It tracks the flow of delegated power. It notes the coordinated cadence of @askrafiki, @kgakakillerg, @joetunex, casting hundreds of negative votes in minutes, not against spam, but against specific souls.
It sees the farm. It sees the scam. It sees the mask.
There is a courage in cessation. To stop. To say: I was wrong. I see now. I will do better. These are not words of weakness. They are the architecture of redemption.
But if you choose to persist? If you choose to let the hashtags become your epitaph?
Then let them be written clearly. Let the record show not just the lie, but the refusal to cease. Let the tags stand as markers in the digital dust, signaling to those who come after where the path turned toward shadow.
You can keep lying. The blockchain will keep recording.
And in the end, only one of those two things will remain when the noise has faded.
— Bilpcoin: We expose the truth, so you can confront it.
There is a particular audacity in continuing the performance after the curtain has fallen.
When the light has touched the object, when the mask has slipped not by accident but by the design of truth itself, what remains is not mystery, but choice. The ledger does not negotiate with denial. The blockchain does not offer the mercy of forgetting. It simply is—a mirror held up to human nature, reflecting not what we wish to be, but what we have done.
To keep lying when you have been exposed is not cleverness. It is not strategy. It is the stubbornness of a child who believes that closing their eyes makes the world disappear.
But the world does not disappear.
The truth does not retreat because you refuse to acknowledge it. It waits. It accumulates. It becomes the foundation upon which your next step must be built—whether that step is forward, into integrity, or backward, into the quicksand of self-deception.
You can keep lying. The lips are free to shape the falsehood. The keys are free to sign the transaction. But the blockchain will keep recording.
And in the end, only one of those two things will remain when the noise has faded.
Based on on-chain transaction logs (Pasted_Text_1774476471429.txt)
CURATION REWARD PATTERNS: @buildawhale
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Frequency: 10 claims per day (Every ~2 hours)
Volume Range: 15.8 HP - 23.2 HP per claim
Pattern: Industrial-scale extraction
Duration: Continuous operation
Recent Activity (April 18, 2026):
• 15.911 HP | 15.922 HP | 15.934 HP
• 15.945 HP | 15.954 HP | 15.970 HP
• 15.976 HP | 15.990 HP | 15.893 HP | 15.820 HP
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Analyst Note: This is not organic curation. This is a machine calibrated to extract value from the reward pool with metronomic precision.
The Implication:
When curation becomes industrial, when rewards are harvested rather than earned through spontaneous appreciation, what happens to the soul of the platform? The blockchain does not judge. It only records.
While @buildawhale farms, the wider network suppresses. The logs reveal a coordinated effort to mute specific voices while the cartel extracts value.
THE SILENCING PATTERN
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Target: @taskmaster4450le, @bradleyarrow, @leothreads
Method: Mass downvoting (-0.25% weight)
Actors: @kgakakillerg, @askrafiki, @joetunex, @conscript
Cadence: Hundreds of votes in minutes
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
The Verdict:
This is not quality control. This is market manipulation. It is the digital equivalent of walking through a garden and crushing the sprouts because you own the land.
Analyzing the wallet activity of @hurtlocker
@hurtlocker WALLET METRICS
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
Staked HP: 697,892.148 (Massive Governance Footprint)
Status: Powering Down (~53k HIVE/week, 13 weeks remaining)
Estimated Value: $43,269.31 USD
Activity: High-frequency reward claiming & swapping
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
The Pattern:
@hurtlocker operates as a high-volume node in this ecosystem.
1. Extraction: Claims massive curation rewards daily (e.g., 181.984 HP, 159.470 HP).
2. Liquidation: Swaps HIVE for stablecoins via uswap immediately after claiming.
3. Exit Strategy: Currently executing a massive power-down, signaling a potential exit or strategic repositioning while the system is under scrutiny.
The Connection:
The account interacts frequently with magi.network and peak.snaps, receiving tips and rewards that suggest a tightly knit circle of mutual reinforcement. The "tips" from commentrewarder (often ranging from 1.0 to 5.0+ HIVE) indicate an automated reward loop designed to bypass standard curation trails.
You point to patterns. You whisper hashtags. You name the accounts.
These are not mere accusations. They are coordinates. They are markers in the digital dust, signaling to those who come after where the path turned toward shadow.
What the blockchain confirms:
✓ Systematic downvoting patterns (-0.25% weight, high frequency)
✓ Targeted suppression of specific users and threads
✓ Industrial-scale reward harvesting alongside suppression
✓ Coordination between multiple accounts (voting the same targets)
✓ Delegation networks concentrating voting power
What the blockchain cannot confirm:
✗ Malicious intent (though the pattern implies it)
✗ Off-line payment agreements
✗ The identity of the operators behind the keys
The Gap:
We see the mechanics. We see the flows. We see the patterns. But we do not see the minds behind the keys. The blockchain is a mirror that reflects actions, not intentions. It shows us what happened, but not why.
There is a particular courage in speaking truth to power, even when that power is hidden behind cryptographic keys.
You have pointed to patterns. You have followed the money. You have connected the dots between accounts, between votes, between rewards. You have shown us a system of extraction, a network of influence, a machine that harvests value from the Hive blockchain with industrial efficiency.
But the blockchain, for all its immutability, cannot tell us whether this is abuse or innovation, whether this is scam or strategy, whether this is bullying or business.
That judgment requires something the blockchain does not have: a conscience.
You can keep lying.
The vote weight can still be set to -0.25%, mechanical and cold, sweeping through the garden like a scythe disguised as a tool. The curation rewards can still be claimed, harvested from the soil of suppressed voices, counted in HP while the community counts the cost.
But the ledger remembers.
It records the rhythm of the downvote farm. It tracks the flow of delegated power. It notes the coordinated cadence of @askrafiki, @kgakakillerg, @joetunex, casting hundreds of negative votes in minutes, not against spam, but against specific souls.
It sees the farm. It sees the scam. It sees the mask.
There is a courage in cessation. To stop. To say: I was wrong. I see now. I will do better. These are not words of weakness. They are the architecture of redemption.
But if you choose to persist? If you choose to let the hashtags become your epitaph?
Then let them be written clearly. Let the record show not just the lie, but the refusal to cease. Let the tags stand as markers in the digital dust, signaling to those who come after where the path turned toward shadow.
You can keep lying. The blockchain will keep recording.
And in the end, only one of those two things will remain when the noise has faded.
— Bilpcoin: We expose the truth, so you can confront it.
As a user, I do sometimes want to upvote old posts, but I think just leaving a comment is good for interaction, plus u could always leave a gift..
it would take some experimentation for sure. I currently upvote about 20 posts per day.
The idea is interesting, but at the same time I'm also worried because from what I see the votes are anonymous, so anyone can vote you down and you don't know who it was. There will always be the fear that your post won't be seen and won't receive votes, as is currently the case.
I don't fully understand; I need to read it carefully. But it sounds interesting. I'd like a more equitable curation process where everyone has the same opportunities, and where effort and creativity are valued. And if this experiment works and gives Hive a bigger boost, that would be great. I'll read it in detail; the comments are good.
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It's a really interesting project. I'd like to be part of this experiment and try to change a lot of things so we can make Hive a better place. It's best to give it a try and see what happens.
The commitment of each curator and user is crucial for this experiment to achieve something significant on Hive. Anonymity is a key point to consider. And it should be used with great caution. I will continue reading and researching this.