Hive and the people here can be quite effective once they put their abilities together to come up with something and agree to get it done. This post isn't going to discuss the commentrewarder idea as the creation of it is being tended to by @hivetrending.
But since the rewards only go out first after a post pays out, I wanted to already give it a try and check something else with this post.
General activity by users.
Simply if you're reading this, let me know in a comment that you're here!
I'll vote the comment up and after 7 days you will then get a share of the post rewards of this post as a tip on your comment.
Again, not going to go into more details about the project as we'll await the dev to announce its release so I appreciate if your comments wouldn't be about it!
Let me know if you're still active on hive and reading this by leaving a comment!
I'll post about the reason to this post a bit later!
Please reblog this post to get it to as many as possible, I'll also be self-voting it in this case for the attention as the post rewards will go fully to comments below, thanks!
PS. A pic of Mew for the banner of this post!
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We've been working on it for several days.
I worry that the tools I help build are not used very much and that the hours invested go to waste. Everything has an opportunity cost. The time spent at the keyboard could instead be spent outdoors or with close friends.
Building on Hive, I feel hopeful. Each new project builds on the learnings of the previous ones, and the relationships strengthen as well.
So, you can help me greatly by using these tools, and spreading the word!
> I worry that the tools I help build are not used very much and that the hours invested go to waste.
True. It may not make sense right away for someone to give out a portion of their rewards to their commenters, but I feel like it will become useful, especially for posters who are looking for more feedback on their content.
I'm definitely going to use it and will also assist in promoting it. Hopefully, it will turn out well.
I'm here!
Been here for 8 years and 3 months. Posting a bit, commenting and replying, up voting most of the replies to me in order to give a tiny reward for engagement.
I read almost all of your posts because I am interested in what you do, specifically holozing lately. I have some ZING staked and in the pool as well. Looking forward to the future of your game. Not sure if its my kind of game since I like something more chill and leisurely like dCrops and pepegame. But I am setting myself up with a supply of tokens in case I do decide to jump in hard!
Back to the topic of comment rewarding, I'm experimenting with that on @tokenfaucet and @gamefaucet. The reward is not from the reward pool, I just give away a small amount of my own tokens. The posts do get a few up votes, but I don't take the post rewards out, I'll give them away eventually. I'm not trying to reward meaningful comments with these accounts, but I believe I'm making people feel good about being on Hive with that little shot of dopamine for getting a random free gift.
All the best to you and holozing and hivetrending and commentrewarder!
Yes. Pharesim built a fully functioning wiki that stores all the content in Hive posts, content is viewable from any Hive front-end. The propol.is site looks decent and it has a built-in search index.
I spent a couple weeks adding some quality of life features.
Unfortunately we decided to slow down on development because there wasn’t much adoption. Not many editors showed up to contribute content to the wiki. It’a a role for volunteers, no pay.
We started off with a weekly $25 and monthly $50 "editor of the ..." contest, which is way more than organic posting rewards could provide consistently. That didn't work out for a combination of reasons, but in the end it just wasn't enough to pay enough people. And spreading the few rewards it gets would be incredibly difficult to do fairly, as contribution quality varies wildly but is also subjective to a certain degree.
There's no money to be made with a wiki. It'll either be a project embraced and maintained by a dedicated community, or not reach its full potential.
@acidyo | Sept. 25, 2024, 8:13 a.m. | Votes: 0 | [
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I feel like there should be curation-methods to reward contributions in one way or another and at the same time giving the curators/moderators part of the rewards. If I could understand it more how the edits are formed (do they create a new hive post, do they just use a certain account to edit them out, can new edits be granted a new post/comment), it could make it worthwhile to people to contribute more.
I guess the hard part would be knowing how much of the contributions are vetted and how much effort was put behind it, I.e. someone didn't just copy a contribution already on wiki and pasted it on your app for some post rewards by an unknowing curator.
It's all in the @propolis.eng account, edits do edit the post. No new rewardables.
> I guess the hard part would be knowing how much of the contributions are vetted and how much effort was put behind it, I.e. someone didn't just copy a contribution already on wiki and pasted it on your app for some post rewards by an unknowing curator.
Absolutely. Not just copies, but also structuring, formatting and sourcing. A good wiki post is a post that doesn't need edits by others, but that's not something curators on hive look for. Giving hive rewards to authors wouldn't lead to a high quality wiki, but a few minimum effort posts about topics that would have a probability of attracting a high value vote.
@acidyo | Sept. 25, 2024, 8:24 a.m. | Votes: 0 | [
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Ah, I was thinking edits in terms of updates or changes to the fact, like how people run to wiki whenever someone famous dies to edit in "-2024" and cause of death. Or include Apple 16's new release in the wiki about Apple products, etc.
I guess edit's like that could "deserve" some rewards for people staying up to date and contributing.
I glanced at it the other day and to no surprise a lot of things were hive-related like usual with our apps/front-ends. My concern would be not to reward contributions where close to no real human effort went behind it other than copying something from somewhere, I suppose your project wouldn't mind the additional contributions but you'd need curators to check what the contribution was. Obviously most contributions can't even be something other than copy-pasting because it'd be pointless to put things into own words when it's just sharing facts.
It'd probably have to rely mostly on as you stated, top contributor achievements/rewards but split up in many unique ways. Either way compared to wiki these days contributors there make nothing while the website begs for more funding to stay alive. Something hive can easily improve.
Scope is another thing. Right now it's very hive centered, as that's the editors' main interest. It could be many things, even forks or interconnected individual instances focused on specific topics would be an option. I think the most valuable thing for hive would be if it could be established as a general crypto wiki. But whatever the content should be, it needs people who know about it, and know enough to create a wiki article that's really covering the topic in a way that everyone can learn from it.
Spreading the rewards might be the way to go, but if you look at the total rewards the posts got so far, and divide that by the amount of edits you'll realize that a few cents per contribution won't motivate anyone long term.
Where are the nerds when you need them most?
@acidyo | Sept. 24, 2024, 1:38 a.m. | Votes: 1 | [
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We have quite a team and individual community owners and their curators weighing in as well, we primarily overlook their nominations for votes and make sure the posts are in our scope.
First tip I can give taking a glance at your posts is to use communities! Second one I can give is that crypto/finance posts aren't in our scope but they are on @leofinance's and others, and there as well it would probably be easier to be seen posting in their community/through their front-end!
Hey thanks man, I really appreciate the feedback and tips. As you can see I am new in town and I am still trying to find my way. But I can see that Hive has a ton of potential and it's so nice to be part of a very innovative platform.
I really make an effort with my posts and my interests are varied, I am sure I can make a valuable contribution to Hive. Hopefully I can make some meaningful connections and get involved with a project. I can see that I also have to invest in the ecosystem and have already bought and powered up 500 Hive and will be buying another 500 Hive to power up shortly.
I have seen communities around but I was not quite sure how to use them. So I will check them out again and get involved and post from within communities. I actually don't do that many posts on crypto and I have already published a few posts via @leofinance and using the InLeo interface.
I actually had a really nice vote come through on my latest post from @empo.voter, I don't know if that was anything to do with you but if it was thanks very much.
@acidyo | Sept. 24, 2024, 2:17 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [
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Hehe yea that along with @empoderat trail some of my votes some times, something that's possible on here due to our feeless transactions!
Other that those tips I'd say engagement is very important early on, curators in my project at least are advised to always check if users are contributing in meaningful ways through engagement as well along with posts. I can see you already are doing that though so just keep at it!
List of communities: https://peakd.com/communities
Thanks again @acidyo, I will keep on persevering. Yes, I totally get how important it is to engage with other peoples work, it is a crucial way of getting to know people and building relationships.
Just out of interest, you say you have curators in your project, what kind of qualities do you look for in those curators and at what stage, if ever, could I be considered for applying?
This same argument can be made for the Curation Programs on Hive.
Just do the test, go to a random Daily Post from one of them were all the 'good quality posts' that got curated are lined up. Click on one of those posts, go to the wallet of that user. 8 out of 10 times, you will see limited to no investment and at least 1 cashout in the last weeks.
I'm not hating on anyone, certain content, or saying nobody can't cash out earnings. It's just that this dynamic of many users knowing how to make a post look good for them to get upvoted by the curation programs, and these curation programs mainly have these users on their radar as it's easy work to upvote something that looks ok. All this while there is a total disregard toward actual contributions (let's be honest, 99% of content doesn't really contribute) as everyone is just dumping Hive even at current price without any intentions to build their account and give something back.
All I'm saying is that having some kind of easy-to-check score that shows if a user helps or hurts the Hive Ecosystem without making it a witch hunt would help a lot.
> Simply if you're reading this, let me know in a comment that you're here!
Yes. I am here. I registered on the Steem/Hive blockchain on 2017.05.17.
And honestly, the most logical solution would be to remove the $0.02 USD payout threshold on the technical level (for example with a hardfork), instead of introducing services like Comment Rewarder.
And if the people would use the platform naturally.
Like any other properly working social network.
If people would be really actually interested in the content and/or in the author.
If people would write comments because of this, and not because others people commented under their posts.
Like on any other properly working social network.
@acidyo | Sept. 28, 2024, 3:27 p.m. | Votes: 7 | [
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commentrewarder is set to stop counting valid comments after 3 days currently
dunno if it was just about rewards, it was trending with high upvotes for a few days and kind of introduced something new so guess people were excited.
but in general hive is about incentivizing social activity so why not gamify it in different ways than just upvotes on posts and comments (which the latter most can't do due to lack of mana/weight and commentrewarder is the main reason to solve for)
we even have some more ideas both for commentrewarder and something new we've been brainstorming lately with @hivetrending. Post soon.
@acidyo, I'm very sorry if my tip calls were perceived as spamming, or if there is a problem with our @zombiebot. I love and am very committed to Hive, and everything that I do here is so with the intention to add value, not detract from it. I just found out what happened last night. I need to make this right. I do my absolute best to be a solid and trustworthy Hiver, so please just let me know what I can do to rectify the issue with @zombiebot, any of our bots, or my own practices, so that I know what needs to change. I apologize again for any causing issues. 😁 🙏 💚 ✨ 🤙
@acidyo | Sept. 30, 2024, 10:11 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [
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no problem, I'm just at a point where I think there's too many of these and most of them do close to nothing other than bloat up the chain with no real value being distributed, unknown initial distribution and in general just annoying. Like opening up your post and seeing a fat turd or brains on a platter isn't what I prefer to see without having asked for it.
I don't have an issue with you, you left a genuine comment and added the commands at the end, that's how I would prefer to see those being used but instead we see people just spam the commands blindly everywhere and when not confronted they continue doing so.
OK, thank you for that, and I do understand what you mean regarding so many similar bots doing basically same, or a very simililar thing without adding actual value. I appreciate you bringing chain bloat to my awareness. We hadn't even thought of that. Knowing about the sentiment around unknown inititial distributions also helps clarify things for me. Regarding the tip reply for @zombiebot, we could modify them so that either the image is different, or so that they don't appear as they do now in comment sections. I do understand your feelings on that. It wasn't my, or our intention, to create dissonance.
I appreciate that. It's important to me to create solid relationships here based on trust, so when issues arise, I'll alway do my best to respond to them as quickly and as well as I'm able. So my comment itself, and even the tip calls, were OK for you, but the @zombiebot's reply message placement and the image were the main problem? Is that accurate? I absolutely don't want to be seen as a spammer, so I'll shift how I do things, and I'll talk work @borniet about changing the tip replies. Thank you for your reply, as it does help me understand much more clearly where my, or our, error was. 😁 🙏 💚 ✨ 🤙
