At first when i watching thsi video i am so smiling see this crazy guys lots of bittern a flag,ha ha, and after moments see your description about this.

Thanks sir for thi amazing content

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lol,

It's always better to be pissed off than pissed on. No, not always but sometimes you have to go out and bitch slap the little down vote turds like the little children they are.

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UPVOTES TO RE-STEEMERS!

I just ReSteemed this my Brother. I am fully Behind what is RIGHT !! @broncnutz

Upvotes to re-steemers, perfect
Keep on not giving a shit about the content discovery, and bribe and trade for yourself. Just shows how little your claim that you care about distribution (how it's intended to work, for the best content and its curators, not randomly and to the biggest stakeholders) and the platform itself is worth.

"The crypto ecosystem owes the Steem blockchain and the STEEM token a nod of appreciation because it built one of blockchain’s first tangible real-world use cases, a decentralized social content platform. The years have not been kind to the platform, however, with clear flaws such as the manipulated upvoting of content and power disparities between users becoming increasingly apparent. As a result, many users have opted to switch to other platforms like Medium."

Re-posted here because my original was hidden. This time it doesn't even need an upvote for visibility ;)

only time i ever posted a comment like this here in 3 years....and you know exactly why i did it. i knew there was a reason i unvoted you as a witness.

You still bribed and traded, as you admitted yourself. Not as openly,so it's good that you finally come out as what you really are!
And if you think I'd give a shit about witness votes you have no idea why I'm here.

Upvotes to re-steemers seems fair if you're trying to make a point with a trail.

He didn't make his point by downvoting everyone in the trail?
But why am I trying to argue with someone who thinks upvotes for upvotes would be fair too.

Upvotes for re-steeming seems fair when countering a gang.

A gang xD You're hilarious, thanks for the laugh.

You're welcome. I'm fairly new here. What does xD mean?

I don't know what you mean "upvotes for upvotes would be fair too." Is that what you think I said. I'm not sure what that even means.

Well, you defend someone who is trading votes, and blame the people who knowingly take the risk to get retaliation downvotes for using the way the system provides to counter groups voting in circles, and redistribute the rewards to everyone else.
Maybe you're too new to understand what's going on, but then you probably shouldn't be taking sides before having read the whitepaper and understand that downvotes exist specifically for this kind of users.

You guys are really going to be busy downvoting because I see auto voting going on all day long and pretty much on every post that has a steemian with $$ behind it. I get some of the reasoning but this was a great post possibly his best which makes the downvoters look suspicious of voting with hard feelings instead of objective reasoning. Possibly punish "circle jerking" another way instead of downvoting a great post.

Oh yes, we are very busy :/ That's why there is a trail.
It was the post with the highest rewards, which gives the most back to the community. I doubt that the delegator who submitted it watched the video, I honestly didn't when I checked if it's a valid submission.
What other way would you suggest? It's the one and only tool the blockchain gives.

It seems wrong to downvote quality since that is the main focus you want for our post. Maybe a fine would be more appro pro for voting style that goes against the rules.

A fine? You mean take something out of the wallet? Who should decide on that?

We have upvotes to give rewards, and downvotes to take them. That's how the system works. Of course it's unfortunate when something with quality is shown to have been downvoted. I'd prefer a lot if he got an upvote from curangel instead of a downvote. But for that he would have to stop trading his rewards into regions the majority of users here can only dream of.
It's not that the reward would be really low now. It's still higher than a lot of other good quality stuff. Our goal is not to nullify it.

Maybe if technically possible. Treat it like a parking ticket that must be paid OR ELSE!

I think that would be better than snuffing out someones earned creative reward.

It's not possible as there would be someone who had to decide to give it.

The whole thing is that he didn't earn. First point, he trades votes, so he gets high rewards on everything he makes. And second, nobody has earned anything on here before the 7 days are over and it's paid out. It's intentionally like this, or every vote could be paid to the wallet directly. It's a process where the community decides how big a portion of the pool a post should receive.
An upvote assigns something more to that post, and all other posts get a little bit less.
A downvote assigns a little bit more to all other posts, and that post gets something less.
None of the two is bad, only maybe for some peoples egos.

I think it's because I'm technically challenged that I don't get it but I do appreciate you trying to help me understand.

Maybe the curating person(s) who gave out this type of downvote could also be the person(s) who gives the tickets (fines) instead. Same job different penalty. We're here to create. Vote on that and give out tickets when you find someone "jaywalking".

Well, that way it would be technically possible of course.

But the whole idea behind steem is that the "best" content (evaluated by the whole community) gets the most rewards. The pool is limited, everything someone assigns to himself or his friends or family isn't available for anybody else. The fine could be put in the pool again, but that would give those who have the highest rewards the biggest part of it again.
Seems overly complicated and counterproductive to the goal of the platform. To rank posts by quality, it needs to be possible to take off rewards which then get assigned to everything else.

Thank you.

Like you gave a shit about discovering content yourself.

This dude did for 3 years. So did I.
Curation trails suck.

I always cared and still do care about spreading over content, yes. I don't hunt the next trending, as I don't want to maximize my curation rewards. I want to support the broad base.

Good on him that he did. Unfortunate that he switched to trading votes mainly, or we wouldn't be here.

You cared and you wanted to, yet you gave up on voting quite early.

Now that you started your own curation initiative it didn't take long for things to go sideways, did it ?

You started one of the first flagging trails, called for the minnows to join you and started policing and now you are flagging this guy ? Together with @acidyo even ?
What an escalation. You even anarcho-shamed the guy for not being as anarcho as you or something in the other subthread ?

I skimmed through his video, rather than antagonizing him like a bully.
Sounded reasonable and I totally agree with him on curation trails.

I gave up when I didn't see something coming out of it, because not many others were doing so, yes. I returned when I got new hope that we can turn the ship around, by necessary changes in the code.

I don't see anything going sideways. We seem to stand at very different positions if you think that.
I'm not deciding on who to downvote, I only check the reasons submitters provide and remove what seems unjustified. Didn't happen so far. @acidyo joined because this guy was retaliating against minnows.

Anarcho shaming is a funny word. I don't even regard ancaps as anarchos, as they not only accept but praise the hierarchies money creates. But even if I did, I never understood the NAP they talk about all the time as something that justifies escalation in the level he did over there. "If you say this to me at Anarchapulco I'll punch your teeth out" was hilarious, besides the unacceptability of physical threats in any form on here.

We stand on different positions then.

Here I was, hoping that one day, people would pick up their mouse.

I said this many times before: If the whales (had) not acted like they had won their stake at a bubblegum machine, we might have (had) a chance.

I never understood this anarchist thing - there will always be someone willing to punch you in the face for what you have.

The idea that people would use their mouse proved as unrealistic very quickly to me. Especially investors don't have much time for that obviously. But yes, we've been there both.

Agree with the rest too.

Another culture on here, less self interest, and we could've gone extremely far.

I like the concept of self organization and mutuality, but I'm not an activist who organizes on conferences and stuff to overthrow the state :D The self description is more of a play. I have most sympathy for the different traditional anarchist theories, but am too much of a rationalist to self identify with any political movement completely.

>The idea that people would use their mouse proved as unrealistic very quickly to me. Especially investors don't have much time for that obviously.

And that is where I disagree.

It was just a handful of people, who were chosen. Obviously poorly so.
And they still own a huge chunk and call the shots. And are probably some of the few, who took a good profit.

The actual investors like @laonie (just to name one of the many) instead got burned.

I can not believe that after all this indifference you now police content and then not go after the big fish, but easily irritatable circlevoters who make real vlogs.

Sooner or later acidyo will throw a fit with you too and then things might get more interesting.

It is inevitable. You will have to start voting, or this is never going to work.
You have a huge stake still and should have an interest and even you can not muster 20 minutes per day - why would a minnow ? And then if that minnow was to engage, would he not appreciate a vote by checking back on the other persons blog and start circlevoting like that ?

...

Running in circles here, really.

Safe travels !

As I said 2 replies before, I don't do the policing personally. I give delegators (who effectively decentralize their upvote power by giving smaller accounts the power to decide where the upvotes go) the option to utilize their downvote power too. If not all of them use it, they contribute to the selection all the others made. I never choose posts to downvote, as that'd always result in 100% downvotes by curangel and I want to give the smaller guys the possibility to have more impact.
As with slowwalker, I would intervene when the post would go really low, as I acknowledge some effort behind the post and a certain value. With the amounts he makes we're far from having that kind of impact though.

I still see this form of decentralization of the own stake as the 2nd best option after spending hours to find enough posts myself. I can support 100 authors a day this way, plus a bunch of manual curators. Doing that manually would take me considerably more time than 20 minutes. I don't want to push only a few posts up unreasonably high, and imo we desperately need ways to give at least a small heads up to the big base of authors as long as most big stakes don't care about them. But we had this talk before :D

What if I said, that by designing this system you already assigned which stuff will catch downvotes ?

I would agree more if you were talking about only your stake voting in this partuclar method, but you are creating a trail and that has much different implications.

That happened way before, the whitepaper defines the purpose of downvotes. The delegators also talk to each other, checking opinions, but they all are going after self rewarding behaviour only.

Trailing is a part of steem. The trail was created before I registered the account on steemauto, I just added a description and declared it official after I was notified about that. The only difference between a delegator and a (dv-)trailer I see is that the delegators make the decision what gets chosen, and the trailer can easily decide to stop following if he doesn't agree with what they choose. Oh, and of course people on the trail open themselves up for retaliation, but I tried to make sure to make them aware. It also usually stops when they unfollow.

Or maybe you mean the feeling someone who gets hit by a trail gets, as seen here? That's not up to me though. I had plans for an upvote trail, but never one for downvotes. And even that only after I was asked about one several times.
I somehow also doubt he would've reacted differently with a single downvote. Maybe a bit less rage, but probably a lot more retaliation for the individual.

Or was that about the upvote trail? That allows us to give even more votes without getting near dust value, so I appreciate it. It also allows users to vote manually when they have time for it, something delegators give up on. So it's two different ways for two different types of people.

As an author myself I can tell you that nothing motivated me like that single hand-vote by blocktrades.

You could make at least one person very happy every day, instead of this massive overhead for little outcome.

And I got a lot of feedback for the vote following I did in the beginning to spread my votes, that it motivated a lot of people. The answers to curangel posts also don't seem like "very little" outcome to me.

Yes, a bigger vote may motivate someone more in that moment. But it's not sure for how long. How many people who received a few big votes disappeared later. Curangel may be better suited to motivate to consistently produce quality - or not, there's no data on that I guess. Both approaches are helping in my view. And mine definitely scales better regarding the goal of mass adoption!

>And mine definitely scales better regarding the goal of mass adoption!

How so ?

My method would keep making at least one persons day, every day.
The more you spread your votes, the less they are worth.
Rewards are not linear anymore.

Another big difference: It takes more balls to put yourself out there and vote by hand.

I don't like the idea of a few whales being the ones deciding who is happy here and who isn't. I have always been of the opinion that we need a better distribution for the system to work. With my approach I go one step ahead by effectively creating a bunch of small orcas for the voting. They admittedly can't vote on the same post multiple times, which may be a flaw. But there's more in the community who can push them higher. If we manage to see less disparity in the rewards, and no good content going unrewarded, we might be able to make everyone happy.

I don't get how playing the guy who decides about making it or breaking it on an internet platform requires balls.

>I don't get how playing the guy who decides about making it or breaking it on an internet platform requires balls.

It would reveal your preferences and personality.
It is easier to hide behind proxies.

Did you ever consider to go undercover and just start a random blog ?
Try putting a lot of thought into a post and then get some half-assed unpersonal upvotes for it, getting as much as the next persons shitpost.

Or better:

Do you not think there is a post out there every day, that deserves a full upvote and to be on trending ?

Or like this:

Is it not how you train a dog ?

You can not reward them each and every time, but you reward them sporadically, which gets them super excited.

What you are proposing sounds bland to me and has no profile and it delegates your responsibility to other people.

I don't have preferences, I'm not a blogger, not a social media person, and generally not very interested in strangers and their lifes or creative output :D
I'm not hiding, I just leave the decision of what's "quality" content to others who can evaluate that better, over a more diverse spectrum.

I never considered having a blog at all. I wouldn't know what to write, and it wouldn't be fun at all for me. No matter the upvotes it would get. I would assume that what creative people really need to feel their work valuated are engaging comments though.

Dogs are rewarded very regularly in the beginning of the training. When they do something extremely well, they get a bonus. And only when they already know to do something you cut down on the rewards.

I may be a bland person without profile in this space, I don't mind. And that's why I distribute the big responsibility which comes with an exceptionally high stake to others who fit in better.

>I don't have preferences, I'm not a blogger, not a social media person, and generally not very interested in strangers and their lifes or creative output :D

That's a fucking preference :D

I'm sure you would have a lot to share with this world - imagine my face, lol

Why do you think that some people think you are stealing?

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I thought i explained it in the video but, "Circle jerking" or trading a few vote with friends, family and other great content makers.

Bro i am following your all content you.hope you looking up my vlogging if you have enough time.i need support and want to good community who are so responsible.. Thanks

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Thanks for the continued support.

Sir If you have enough time please Checking my vlog..

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I thought you meant that people felt you were stealing content. I understand now.

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Bronc, I got a kick out this video lol I appreciate your content and plan to continue to support it... the haters are just jelly on you haha....

Thank you! I just wanna make people laugh here....thats my only goal. I like to laugh, i like to ruffle feathers and i like to put a little hot sauce on the game...ya feel me???? How can i help who votes for me willingly? Shouldn't the down voters be down voting my cross vote if they feel the content is not worthy? I'm glad you like my content and find it entertaining even though you most likely don't care a hoot about the Broncos.

Yeah I bet all those small accounts he is hitting “hard and heavy” are just “jelly” too. Glad we are supporting this behavior.

I should clarify I meant I support his content as I do like football and the commentary, and ya it was sort of joking about the haters in that sense. I honestly have no opinion one way or the other on what he does, or what is going on ( I realize there is a circle jerk going on ) and that is all I know really about it and that he was getting downvoted... so I could be way off ...I was just going by what I saw...I just think we have bigger fish to fry around here but who knows ;-)

Always good to form an opinion when you only know one side. Calling people haters without knowing their motives makes you so in!
Happy to get pointed to some bigger fish who take out 20-40$ from the pool daily (by trading votes in a circle which makes 200$+ a day). Unfortunately we can't go after all of them at once, but there's a list ;)

They may be able to intimidate some smaller accounts with their retaliation, but the size of the downvotes they get is only affected marginally by it.

@Pharesim You were one of the first people to support me when I arrived here and appreciate it to this day. All be very honest I really don't know what all this is about I was merely mentioning
the video and looks like I stepped in it! lol ...

>Calling people haters without knowing their motives makes you so in!

It was more meant to be a joke really. I don't even know much about Curangel but reading it now it does seem to have a purpose too. I think both sides have a point really and no I'm not taking a side as I don't have much opinion and need to research it more on it as both sides have their pluses and negatives I'm sure. Unless we all need to pick a team now? :P

> Happy to get pointed to some bigger fish who take out 20-40$ from the pool daily (by trading votes in a circle which makes 200$+ a day). Unfortunately, we can't go after all of them at once, but there's a list ;)

Haejin! who doesn't produce anything that I'm aware of , plus I'm sure many others. Trading votes has been going on since the dawn of time I believe? Wrong, or right I don't know.

> They may be able to intimidate some smaller accounts with their retaliation, but the size of the downvotes they get is only affected marginally by it.

I always suspected there was going to be drama around downvotes this was a given. You knew that was coming right?

edit: also, I'm all for downvoting needed to clarify it xD Even high rewards!

We flagged haejin until he stopped posting. Now we flag some of the low effort posts he upvotes. He's not crying though, just silently downvoting everything we (and I personally) post to oblivion :D

Of course I knew it will go like this. The retaliation was expected, and the posts crying about rewards being stolen and me being a dictator. No surprises there. The threat of violence in the comments here is an unexpected low, but there's always one I guess.

> We flagged haejin until he stopped posting. Now we flag some of the low effort posts he upvotes. He's not crying though, just silently downvoting everything we (and I personally) post to oblivion :D

Lol, good to hear!

>Of course I knew it will go like this. The retaliation was expected, and the posts crying about rewards being stolen and me being a dictator. No surprises there. The threat of violence in the comments here is an unexpected low, but there's always one I guess.

Yes, I get it. I wish there was more middle ground around here , but people have what they find to be the right thing to do. Time will tell.

I'm always open to talks to find a middle ground, unfortunately most reactions are complete entitlement and no understanding that the only thing which can give steem a future is to not care about own post rewards when you're a bigger stakeholder, but about those of other great creators. We have curation rewards for our own earnings, and they're enough to beat inflation by themselves now.

There's so much to downvote, it would be nice to not have to go after the same people all the time :D

Yep and you should be able to support what you thinks adds value just as someone should be able to downvote what they think does not .. but acting like an asshole, threatening people and going after small accounts is quite the reaction to a downvote 🤷‍♀️

Yes, I'm all for downvotes. I guess we are debating responsible downvoting and responsible circle-jerking - if there is such a thing? At least this is what it feels to me. I agree the threatening is over the top a bit ( I just saw it), we are all one community and need to be aware of how others on the outside are seeing all this. Hopefully, we can find some middle ground on this issue! I think we are all smart enough to figure this all out . 🖤

Hi ya.... @steemitqa,

Lovely to see you.

Hope you are well.

Cheers!

@bleujay !!! I'm good how are you doing my friend! ? Just hanging in here doing what people do on Steem battling and fighting lol ... how is everything on your end ? Much love :-)

Oh thank you for your kind reply..... @steemitqa.

Yes....the same as you....just having a ball watching the food fight! hehe

Hoping the madness will soon end...right?

Thank you for inquiring.....looking about for a place to land and show my work...

Kindest Regards @steemitqa.

Wishing you all the best. ^__^

Cheers!

Welcome, welcome @bleujay who knows it will ever end! we humans love to fight! hehe....

You busy tinkering around with an idea? I'll have to check out MarkersPlace sounds like a great place to set-up shop.

Good to hear from you my friend xD

Several Steemians are there....I am finding out.

bleujay is applying....I was given a couple of invites a while back, but now it seems one just needs an invite to Discord and begin the process of setting up shoppe. I could try to DM you in Discord and send the link.....if you are interested.

All good so far.....

You had some photographs a while back.....quite well done. You should have a look.

Yes...must keep on the move. hehe

Lovely to chat with you here at @broncnutz. ^__^

Cheers!

You said it all, my friend. I agree 100% with you.
Steemit as a blogging site is dead if you ask me. It's not worth my time at this stage.
I hope Steempower investment will pay off.
Resteemed, of course. For people to learn.

Hi ya @oldtimer,

Looks like you got out just in time. hehe

bleujay agrees.....it is dead!

Kindest regards to you and your good lady and the cats as well.... ^__^

I saw what's coming and I don't want to participate in this shit show.
Excuse me my French. And thanks for good wishes.
All the best to you as well.
p.s. I own you some tokens. Any suggestions?

hehe.....those are a gift!

Please no worries..... ^__^

I hope they will listen to your comments in the video.

I also hope they notice you do get engagement and I have no problem with people thinking your content is over valued or enjoying it.

I have no problem with you getting downvoted, but getting downvoted by a trail based on voting behavior, troubles me.

Who doesn't have some autovotes?

I try to do the best i can here to spread this token. i have mega interest in doing so. i also have no prob getting down voted but about 30 of them came in all at the same time. i got bum rushed by flaggers!! lol.

Creating engagement by paying community funds to those who comment, upvote and re-steem \o/

Oh wait, of course you support that, it's your strategy too.

I have never typed “upvotes for resteem” on my blog since I been here, I just did on this one to piss you off.

LOL

You're the lobbying group on the wrong side of terror. You will become the past of society pharesim.

A single entity trying to make a point against a trail of flaggers needs a support trail to keep it fair and if you don't belong to one then I think it is OK to "rent" some.

"Community Funds".... I assume you mean the influence I have by holding Steem Power.

Yes, I use my SP to reward engagement and activity, that is correct. That is my strategy, also I have shown up nearly every day for 3.5 years and engaged. Stated my vision, worked on improvements. Powered up.

Your strategy was to send 800k+ to exchanges while criticizing the community the content and others repeatedly. I know what you think of Steem, I've heard it. The community and posts and quality are not what drove the price down. Pull a report at the outgoing Steem and find your answers. It's factual that way.

I don't pretend I have all the answers or am always right, but I do listen to reasonably stated feedback. Do you?

I'll compare my track record to yours any day, anytime.

I'd rather not make it personal, but I got on your list based on who has been voting for me for the last 3 months. Not because of how I conduct myself.
You can continue to attack those who have been here, making the best decisions they know how to make and acting like you know all the right things to do. It's your stake and your voice.

I'm done engaging in your personal attacks, name calling, and self aggrandizing.

If you wanted to engage in a conversation about vision, results and moving forward I would be open to it.

The price is down the alt-coin market is in the toilet and I don't think fighting about rewards is the solution.

So, I am going to continue to do what I do. You can continue to toss insults and feel superior all you like.

"Community funds" as in content and curation rewards, yes. The stuff that forms the value proposal of steem, which has been horribly failing. It's getting better though. Surprised about #newsteem now? What happened to "#newsteem is you don't complain?" :D

You found out that I sold steem, wow. Jelly that you held during the bull run? Did you also see that I bought ever since it's going down again, and still do? How much did you buy, while we're at it?

I'm not attacking anyone personally, only a certain type of behaviour.

I am not surprised by the impact of the EIP at all. In fact I wrote about it. NewSteem was about looking outside of our own community to market and onboard people and focus on creating demand.

Not a bit jealous, you won a Mining Lottery, I don't know how to mine. Still don't. I totally hope your mining continues to pay off. If you win, we win. We have the same goal.

I can't wait until we have more conversations about how to promote Steem than we have arguments about our own inside tech and rewards.

Yeah, let's fix the retention first and not drive all new users off when they see that the big guys move the rewards mostly between themselves. If you haven't realized that that was the problem by now, maybe you should look a bit more what former users or people watching from the sidelines say on other platforms about steem...

Happy to help with promotion after that issue is fixed, meanwhile I'm doing what my stake allows me to do. Cause that's how I understand newsteem.

I complained about my own naivity for a moment when I saw how many people are not behind the changes of the EIP, who did not switch their behaviour to rewarding more diverse content and being happy with the curation rewards they receive, and now I act by using the tools which were introduced.

An individuals impact agains groups of voters with stake in the millions is minimal, so I made a tool to bundle the efforts of many people with the same goal, there's nothing wrong with that. Complaining about being downvoted by a group when you have built a group for upvotes is just hilarious.

Check my votes.

Save your lecture for someone who needs it.

You haven't been targeted. I wouldn't even talk to you right now if you wouldn't have criticized what happened to the poor guy here.

> I have no problem with you getting downvoted, but getting downvoted by a trail based on voting behavior, troubles me.

> Complaining about being downvoted by a group when you have built a group for upvotes is just hilarious.

Elsewhere you said to upvote based on content. Why would the standards for downvoting be different?

I'm sorry you felt criticized, what I felt was empathy for bronc and although his content isn't something I would regularly seek I don't think it is bad for Steem.

I would be more likely to watch his video than review someone's photography and or beautifully formatted blog, which I know is totally subjective.

He does get engagement and has supported many other projects on Steem.

Again, I get that your intentions are in the right place, I standby not liking the tone or the method, I was/am critical of that.

You absolutely should use your stake and your influence to try to impact what you think helps/harms Steem.

Complaining about Upvote Groups when you have built downvote groups is equally as hilarious. :)

Either Collusion is right or wrong, you don't get to have it both ways.

Of course content quality plays a role - and if curangel and its trail had the power to bring this post to an extremely low level, I would have added something to the queue myself or asked someone else to put something to not hit it too hard. It doesn't though, it received a 100% downvote (I think the first ever in the short history of curangel, because there haven't been many submissions that round), and it still has a reward considerably higher than the big majority of content. We're not big enough to even counter all of the votes of the circle on one post, and he gets a lot of votes from outside of it on top of that.

The whitepaper speaks of colluding groups to be countered by downvotes, so I strongly disagree, there's nothing wrong with working together when doing that. We group up for the downvotes as a reaction, because as individuals we're too weak (SP) and vulnerable (retaliation). We don't complain, we act. As soon as they break up their groups, we're happy to put all our focus on positive things again. This is not fun for anyone ;D

Alright... Carry on.

I think we have both taken the time to check ourselves and our opinions and I think that is enough. In fact I think that is what consensus is all about.

Steem's up a little. :)

I gave you upvote 💯 and resteem your posting

Super fantastic video

Resteem it great posting

Lool. I was just laughing all through. Nice points you raised here.✌

Resteeming 😂😂

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If i made you laugh...you made me smile. i love to make people laugh, its the goal of every video i make.

Well-done bro✌😂

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Not playing in my mobile sir why

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Aha crazy, love that! Nice video, I've heard and seen about flag but your video is very informative, thanks

Welcome to real-world:) .
This is so ugly, I believe this downvote madness will stop soon.

Here's hoping you are right.

There will always be hope, positive and constructive solutions and after the rain the sun goes.

They started it first
For the record
I am with you brother

I support you

I agree that these free downvotes are really getting out of hand. In theory, they are an excellent tool to counter blatant abuse and avoid junk from getting into trending. In practice, they are making steemit into a much more toxic place and the idea that you have to justify who you vote for is just crazy. Also that this entire idea that whales who naturally have bigger post payouts have more incentive to use their big free downvotes as more will flow back to them seems quite off as a mechanic.

Trading votes is blatant abuse, effectively nothing else but covered up self-voting or vote selling.
The big accounts delegating to and following @curangel mostly don't post at all, or very seldomly. We're not here for the rewards, but to build a bigger community.

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Long time supporter.

I've received a downvote from you, can only assume I am somehow a victim of this war. I have just recently joined a few downvote trails of some very respected Steemians. I trust these Steemians wouldn't misuse their downvote tool. Was there a specific post that there is an issue with? I am curious to know more.

My last video you downvoted

Yes, I found the video I downvoted. This is due to the SteemAuto downvote trail I’m on. What I am trying to figure out is why that video was downvoted. The downvote trails I have joined belong to some trusted Steemians. I would like to know from either side why your video was downvoted. It doesn’t seem the payout was irrationally high, so I’m sure that wasn’t the reason. Is this sports rivalry?

No this is a personal thing. It showed that you should be Leary of who you are following for downvotes. I’m sure they will downvote again......and I’ll be back for more. This war will never end with me until these people stop this crap. I’m sorry to downvote you, I really don’t want to downvote anyone but now I’m pissed off and I Gotta do what I gotta do.

I know I downvoted the video, as part of some trusted Steemians downvote trail I’m on. But I only want to know from either side the purpose of the downvoted. Was your video sports-related? Obviously I need to watch it, which I will soon. The massive landslide of downvotes probably came from people on downvote trails like myself. I did see a comment on here about “voting circles.” Was this perhaps the controversial thing which caused some downvotes by curators?

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Good to know which side you're on. It is absolutely ridiculous how you decide to react to small downvotes when you've been earning inflation through vote-trading which is the same as delegation to bid bots or selfvoting 10x a day. Guess what, profitable votes from bid bots are slowly going away, 10x selfvotes are gone, guess who's next on the list.

Thank you for chiming in @acidyo. I am absolutely unqualified to try and mediate things like this as a newbie still learning terms like "whale" and "minnow." I should probably just stick to producing good content for Steem, but @broncnutz is the first real account to give me a downvote. I felt out of respect, I should at least look into it. I'm not trying to waste anyone's time. I'm informed enough to know about circle voting, etc.

if your not informed enough you should opt out of "circle jerk downvoting" as well. Acidyo created OCD and then uses it to upvote himself and his friends. Is that not circle jerking? You continue to down vote me for no reason and i will downvote your posts until you stop...its just that simple. I never wanted to down vote you ini the first place, and i hope i never have to do it again. Acid gets off on being a dictator, he used to get beat up in high school.

lol, typical ignorant rant from an abuser who can't get his cookies anymore. :)

Lol, typical response to a Steemit dictator who believes this place should be centralized and voting should be done his way.

"Steemit dictator" bro xD

And you believe voting should be trading votes with same size accounts that don't even share the same content with each other, huh? :)

Seems hard to grasp that earning on Steem through post rewards is exactly that, it should be earned. Not being in hot and trending no matter the content just because your stake is big and you scratch the backs of others with the same stake. What makes you think you should earn more than others who are participating in honest curation and distribution that helps the platform while all you care is your ROI on Steem where you nullify the efforts of others who don't vote-trade.

On top of that you go out of your way to downvote small stake accounts that are trailing their votes on @curangel which is curating and downvoting vote-trades which makes their curation more effective. And you call me a dictator, seriously fuck off mate.

i don't trade votes with the same sized accounts. (only one is bigger than me) and i manually curate everything else. I only trade votes with people i consider to have good content. You are a steem dictator and i'm gonna keep doing my part to stop you. I will keep down voting any minnow who hands thier voting rights over to you, OCD, Curangel and any other centralized acct. Fuck off yourself. We can continue this forever, i got plenty of crypto to fight you with and i'll never stop. Buckle up, im betting this is gonna get worse than the hatfields and mccoys between me and you. Someday you will get a chance to meet me in person at Steemfest or Anachapulco or some crypto event and i'm gonna give you a chance to tell me to fuck off to my face which i already know your too big of a keyboard pussy to do. If your stupid enough to even open your mouth to me like that (and i know you wont be)..... i'll get all my downvotes back from you with once punch to your little nerd face. Enjoy your teeth....for now.

Hahahah man you should do comedy posts instead, they'd garner more natural votes than your fanboyism of that handball shit you watch. Watch out for your blood pressure there :3

My bloodpressure is very low, as a matter of fact i headed to the stadium right now to watch a football game while your at your moms house in the basement eating ramen noodles. The only blood pressure that's gonna rise is yours when you finally meet me in person. It's a small world, its bound to happen. Just be ready and don't cry or say i didn't warn you. Shits gonna get real when you meet me in person...believe and trust in that.

I'll be at Steemfest this year as I've been for the last three years, feel free to attend and I'll gladly meet you there. Quick advice, don't make threats on the Blockchain, remember it stays here forever ;)

its not a threat...its a promise to acid boy. I'm not the type of guy you get to talk reckless to with a big mouth.

Would you just shut up already. You aren't worth anyone's time you fat slob. There isn't a person here that is bigger than that belly of yours

Come on guys - even I am not really in agreement with certain actions by people I actually liek - there is no need for such threats - we are not living in times of the Roman Empire (the old one lol) @broncnutz @anomadsoul @netuoso - you all do not want a German to be at Steemest to tell you how to fight these days :-)

lol xD did you play American football decades ago? Would explain a lot of things.

no i played baseball in college....my swing is still good....you'll see.

I'm running out of ways I can imagine you could make a bigger ass of yourself on the chain. :)

http://steemreports.com/outgoing-votes-info/?account=broncnutz&days=30

if someone telling you to fuck off makes you threaten someone like that, you sure do seem to have some bigger problems than a few downvotes, mate.

nah i just dont like mouthy pussies like you.

by the way...why would i not vote for myself. i love me some me. even the president gets to vote for himself in a real democracy and not this centralized bullshit you like to run.

Yeah cause that's what I was pointing at xD

and please dont use the word "threaten" anymore. i already told your boyfriend its not a threat.

Why, would that get you in trouble with your dumb laws?

it wouldn't you soft Finnish Fag. ill make sure i bring enough money to by my way out of jail in Thiland or Mexico though..... Tic Toc.

XD homophobia on top of it all, nice.

Thanks for noticing, i love making you dance for me in my comments section.

Yeah this will definitely do wonders for you.

If anyone was actually afraid of you all they would have to do is hop away on one foot. You would get winded after the first two seconds of chasing someone with that huge gut you carry around.

What kind of pathetic worm makes threats to people on the internet?

I get that you are jaded from losing so much value in your shitty "investments" but don't let your bruised ego blind you

Threats/promises of violence. Nice. Spoken like a real anarchist.

Curangel is as decentralized as it gets btw. All decisions are done by all delegators and curators. Your stake is centralized with yourself, and you'd never give up on the power it gives you. You love it too much, finally you can be someone!

Thank you for spending all day on my blog..i know you cant help it. its fun for everyone here to watch you dance like little puppets.

Sorry to disappoint you, I didn't even watch the video. Just saw a screenshot and some comments elsewhere.

Technically, he only threatened to punch him, if he came at him 'like that' in real life.

So a threat to take out someone's teeth when he says something in real life is less of a threat? Because it gives him an option or what? :D

I do not think he would give you a fight like the Hatfields (or McCoys - whichever one you want to be (?)).

I also think they could fuck off, though.

curangel is just a drone in this game, there is no logic because the same people vote for the same people, voting principles are not fulfilled in practice.
These are just lobby group games and the idea of ​​a downvote as a business model is a pure failure. Come up with creative ideas, come up with projects that will raise Steem value. Look at the big accounts being voted on by the same people, posts that lack quality (some have) get support because they are members of the same lobby.
You bring your brother or son to invest and then you say don't vote for him, so who should I vote for. Not all people get likes on social networks but those we like. When I'm not voting for myself I have downvotes, when I'm giving over 70% to others again it's not good - no this is pure manipulation that will ruin Steem.

>and the idea of ​​a downvote as a business model is a pure failure.

What the fuck are you talking about? we stand to gain nothing from downvoting abusers and milkers except for wasting endless time on shit like this and getting downvotes back. Go cry to haejin about your shit getting downvoted instead of sharing your stake with other people and participating in honest curation.

There's nothing wrong by voting on family members or friends but doing it constantly with most stake regardless of content is not what the rewardpool is there for hence downvote mana was introduced.

Anyway, I really don't have time to reply to your justifications and delusions. Some people here are trying to do exactly what you claim we should be doing; creating projects and initiatives to bring in new users and raise the utility of Steem than just circlejerking rewards onto each other while the value just continues to drop and no one even knows about Steem.

That and I say, nothing gets off the downvote, no one earns. The circle of voters remains the same as if they were the subjects of the stronger players and the essence does not change. Most of the posts are without substance, no one should say anything because free thought is being punished, and everyone is talking about a bright future. Then whales do not need to post, they should only vote for unknown users.
I am determined by the rules for who to vote for, I am more for someone who writes about religion and spirituality than for some empty stories of walking along the coast and getting $ 30 for it. These people give me the disadvantages as if they were big bloggers, this is a business and a democratic society, let the idea, the project, the creative solution, not the judgment of the lobby group, win. Some people do the right things and I will gladly support it, but I will never support negative campaigns and destructive solutions.
It all turned into gossip, hatred, threats and a poor choice of words. Is the point that we all lose both money and credibility !!! The downvote is certainly not the right solution, changing voting rules, suspending Steem printing, creating a Steem platform for tokens, marketing campaigns to attract companies, etc.
I have never had anything against the personality, I have against the monopoly that lies behind the story of a new democracy, this is not the French Revolution, we should all be constructive and positive.

>nothing gets off the downvote, no one earns.

Yes they do, everyone else earns more from shit getting downvoted, how do you not know that? Didn't you run a steem(it) school? lol

There is plenty of religious posts you can vote if that's what you like, the point is to vote on people you don't know. Not just on your friends and vote-trading buddies.

List the people who are really making money without being supported by the same group? Choose names and then strike to the end, there is no trial, no constructive conversation, it is important to bring down the smaller players to get the bigger ones after them.
I'm sure by normal vote criteria I don't deserve a minus, but I get it again. And none of your group has ever voted for me. This Steem has dropped so low today, look at the value and you'll see that something needs to change and it's not a Revenge Steem purchase. When I was giving away thousands of dollars none of you big guys supported me, nobody came to give a whale business lesson.
Then again I was attacked by the same team of people, I brought in a large number of new users, gave money to many, to knowledge and proper posting, comments, Steem etc. Now you're telling me what to do. How many people lost money because of all the experiments, empty promises that were not fulfilled on time, policy changes, etc.? We need to talk specifically, not philosophically, this is not democracy, these are not social network principles, in the end I get directions for who not to vote and for whom to vote, so this is an ultimatum.
I give my son support, who is 16, I motivate him, teach him to do something on his own and then see the downvotes, it's a shame.
There are gossip people who cite missiles for minuses and everything remains a story, there is always a reason why downvote, nothing is enough while others are outlawed.

There are no successful posts and bloggers without vote-trading buddies.

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This is what it looks like because I defend myself from the minus, I defend my family because some bad guys ruined my posts. I vote for myself to support the minus, and I do not want to stop writing because that is the goal of this story.

I'm voting for ocd cause they get downvoted because of what we do with ocdb. You have always been voting on slowwalker and other vote-trading buddies in forever. Don't try compare our activity.

You can always write without upvoting yourself or earning a ton of rewards, people write for free everywhere. Get off that selfish mindset every once in a while.

I don't vote for myself except when you drop my post to 0.
You are just one example, all those who talk about exchanging votes have the same team of people who vote for them and for whom they vote, they all exchange votes for the common good, but basically it is just a story of taking power and control.

It turns out that you are only good and that there are bad ones and the votes are given to the same people, it makes no difference except that you support the good. So don't vote for the same people, vote for the new ones. Isn't that the story, isn't that the point. Everyone does the same thing, only the stories are different.

Well @broncnutz, when I first got on Steem and started posting, all the posts I were getting advice from were a year or two old. So this led me to believe the whole Steem ecosystem is one big circle jerk, and good content will get me nowhere, with bots and veteran accounts controlling the scene.

Not long after my Steem journey began, the #newsteem came, and manual curation too. The way the new voting curve works we are incentivized to do more manual curation, which is what I do now. I now try to carefully place some 100% upvotes here and there on content I like.

My account has organically grown quite fast without me joining any circle-jerks, and it seems to have come from producing just good ole' good content. There was a learning curve at first, but now I'm somewhat comfortable on Steem.

There are some really dedicated Steemians and curators on here doing a lot more to help this platform than I will ever be able to. I wouldn't dare join a downvote trail of an untrusted Steemian. @acidyo and @ocd have solid reputations on Steem through and through.

there are many here who do not agree with your statement that @acidyo has a solid reputation here. I respect your opinion sir but if you continue to down vote my posts because your trailing OCD votes and cant think for yourself.....expect me hard and heavy....FOREVER. Change your strategy or we just continue on and let the chips fall where they may. I do however respect your opinion on OCD and acidyo. If you do not like my content and downvote it i am fine with it, if you let acidyo and ocd decide for you, ill hit back. its simple really.

Ignore the angry man, Justin. I upvoted the post which negates the vindictive downvote this lovely human being cast. Don’t let others bully you.. just ignore him. There is plenty of stake to counter the misuse of downvotes from those who think the inflation is their personal tip jar they can allocate to themselves. There is no reasoning with them, just ignore and keeping doing what you are doing.

Thanks @justineh, I am liking the #newsteem, and for sure all of the curators which I delegate to don’t always upvote or curate my posts. It’s far from a circle jerk.

Especially considering the way many curators distribute upvotes, it’d be impossible to for them to circle jerk. Often only 10 upvotes per day are distributed by some curators, and yet they have hundreds and hundreds of posts to choose from. I am lucky to receive a curation visit here and there considering how little I have contributed to Steem.

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Well said. Keep up the good fight.

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If your still new, I would be careful with downvote trails. They are a petty power tool!

If you see something that offends you, sure downvote it...
But if you have your own brain, why do you need to give someone else your power, to decide what is good content?

Downvote trails just encourage retaliation style behaviour as being shown now

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I totally agree @philippekiene. I think downvote trails could easily be misused. I only join downvote trails of trusted curators. I would the same reason applies as why I delegate SP to curated by communities.

I realize I’m a newbie and my time is limited on Steem due to work constraints. I don’t want to waste my SP, and want to see it benefit the Steemosphere. I trust communities like ReggaeSteem, NaturalMedicine, EcoTrain and others to curate good content with my SP. I check their curation collections often and I find good posts are the ones rewarded.

I wish I had time to sift through all the sh%t posts to find some good reading material, but it takes way too long. I defer to checking out OCD or Curie curation collections, and I am instantly provided with good content curated by a real human.

It’s a huge timesaver if nothing more. I’m not terribly interested in crypto too, and curation guilds weed those posts out so I can find a good recipe or a nice travel post.

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well said and exactly my point. if acidyo and ocd dont stop this centralized madness i will be forced to start down voting people who have deligated steem power to them. I have no issues with a flag, they are needed in many cases, i have issues with weak people who let others make decisions for them.

< i will be forced to start down voting people who have deligated steem power to them

This I would like to see. You don't have that much steem power dude. Best not bite off more than you can chew.

well looks like we gonna find out.

This.

I agree 100 percent. Well said.

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Upvotes to re-steemers, perfect
Keep on not giving a shit about the content discovery, and bribe and trade for yourself. Just shows how little your claim that you care about distribution (how it's intended to work, for the best content and its curators, not randomly and to the biggest stakeholders) and the platform itself is worth.

> "The crypto ecosystem owes the Steem blockchain and the STEEM token a nod of appreciation because it built one of blockchain’s first tangible real-world use cases, a decentralized social content platform. The years have not been kind to the platform, however, with clear flaws such as the manipulated upvoting of content and power disparities between users becoming increasingly apparent. As a result, many users have opted to switch to other platforms like Medium."

Source: https://bravenewcoin.com/insights/steem-price-analysis-engine-in-need-of-a-restart

I haven't been involved in this war but I highly respect what you are doing and why.

Generally, I think it's easy to find fault in anybody's voting pattern but some are just a bit more conspicuous such as the case w Slowie n the gang.

Even so, I also was impressed with a number of @brocnutz sentiments so am a bit torn. He seems generally a sensible fella so would be great to see this hashed out.

Not really a fan of the vote for resteem, vote for follow or any kind of paid engagement for that matter so believe that was def warranted.

Welp got my 🍿 and ready for the drama show! 🎥

!dramatoken

Which one impressed you most? That he upvotes his ma so she can give to charity? 😂

Here's your DRAMA. Don't spend it all in one place!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

You voted for your own comment?!! Weak!

So says the guy who loves his own comments so much you upvote yourself. Pound broken glass man.

Hi
broncnutz
Greetings from Germany
// 1,2,3, good mood //

Highly disappointed in your attitude.

And I’m just as disappointed in your totalitarian practice.

Yup, I draw the line when you decide to retaliate on minnows downvoting your votetraded garbage.

I’m gonna keep doing it too. Dont act like I don’t massively support minnows. You don’t make the rules around here.....although you think you do.

Don't we all?

You are downvoting them to bully them to do as you wish.. you aren’t supporting shit 🙂

Keep downvoting minnows and you will have more negative attention on your “original content.”

Btw, big tough man who wants to threaten and call names. I’m in Cali.. a bit closer than Thailand or Mexico. Feel free to come pay me a visit ... I guarantee my balls are bigger than yours. 🙂

Really.. that video got down voted.. that's insane that was a great video.. I hate the free downvotes that came with the last hard fork. It's not good for STEEM. If you give someone something for free they will find a way to abuse it. Free flags really grinds my gears.

Those flags seem to be burning a hole in their pockets.....they just cannot get rid of them fast enough. hehe

Let's hope the powers that be can put humpty-dumpty together again.

Flags are ruining the platform.

Cheers!

Really bad abuse, giving the funds some people allocated to themselves and their friends back to the pool so that the rest of the community can have them. What an evil masterplan!

This has became a really big problem after HF 21

What a petty bunch of bullshit. Your post only made $35 - WAHHHH!!! Where were you when good stemmians were getting downvoted into oblivion? You could never bother to defend the little guys, but you think you have been slighted so now you will swing your big dick around and tell yourself it is some sort of justice. Have fun. I quit posting because of assholes like you and the assholes who downvoted you. You ALL are why steemit is a shit platform for average people any more. YOU ruined this place. I am downvoting you after doing minutes of research... Listening to your self righteous video (best I could on that crappy platform 3Speak.) Good luck getting your pound of flesh out of me...

bye....and by the way, i have defended many here.

This is lame and unprofessional.

lol...he said unprofessional. bahahahahahahaha

So? Tell me how you really feel.

well right now now i feel like beating the holy hell out of the Kansas City Chiefs! 8 hours until game time. how do you feel? let me guess.....hummmm like acidyo's wet puppy dog?

Why are you dissing me? I came here on my own. Am I labelled a gang member now? Anyone who thinks what you're doing here is lame must be on the other team? Do you think I'm incapable of making my own decisions? I've been making them here for three years.

So what's the deal? You can't even be respectful? I said this is lame and unprofessional. I could have said a whole lot of other things but I decided to stick to what I think are facts and I did not insult you, as a man. What you're doing doesn't sit well with me. This whole thing doesn't sit well with me.

I have to work around this shit? Are you kidding me? Are we twelve years old here?

Same happened to me on my last post which had all original content on fantasy football. I never initiate a downvote, but I did the same thing as you...if they downvoted my content first, then I downvoted them. I even had one guy crying about it even though he downvoted me first. Now he knows how it feels

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@broncnutz. This is who you down-voted

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Now I didn't down-voted you. I do not follow any down vote trail. But dude, may be you want to pick a flight with someone close to your size? Just saying...

PS. Up-voted for visibility

I only down voted because he followed a down vote trail and didn't think for himself. i will continue to do so. you can down vote me, i don t care, just make it your own idea. i see you like your own comment A LOT....guess your missing the entire point that this post is about. its funny @acidyo is not over here to help "regulate theft" from the rewards pool like you just did.

Let me edit that.
PS. Upvoted for visibility. This is a popular post. Your comment section is a mile long, man! Which is a good thing.

discussion is good about this. i am not against flags....just giving away your power to make this centralized by ocd.

You were initially downvoted by curangel, and the downvotes we give are decided on by all delegators, not centralized. The only thing that's decided centrally is if a downvote isn't executed, which has never happened so far, they all brought up good reasons so far.
If people decide to follow that because they agree with the direction it is going, who are you to blame them?

It would be fairer if all the accounts on this downvote trail were genuine accounts though.

What do you mean by genuine? They are all genuine people, no clones :D
Or do you mean they should vote manually? If someone supports the mission statement of a project, why can't they get fully behind it? If the project does something they don't agree with they'll remove their support again. Nobody is forced or even incentivized in any way to follow the trail.
It is necessary to bundle power, because the accounts grouping up to trade votes have a stake way higher than any individual that wants to counter the trading. It's only possible to make an impact on them together.

@pharesim

These are what I would call not genuine.
@antiretroviral, @shtup, @TagFlagger, @spirfu, @milky-concrete, @blockways, @joshmania, @dicetime, @roadstories.trib

3 posts in total have been made across all of the accounts listed above... all on your downvote trail.

But they obviously have an investment in the platform, and thus an interest to make it work and the same rights to use their stake as anyone else. Why shouldn't they be allowed to use their votes only because they don't post? Not everyone is a content creator!
I really don't see the problem. Do you think they should offer the possibility for retaliation or not participate in the reward distribution at all? Would you say that they are allowed to upvote, if yes why?

I know one is an alt of someone who is more active with posting, but still, why does that matter?

When your list is made up of 1/3 alt accounts, it could appear as one person with a bunch of sock puppet accounts holding a grudge.

I'm not saying that is the case in this situation, but it sure does look bad. As I said, personally I think downvote trails will do more damage than good in the long run.
Steem auto offering auto downvotes is ridiculous... without even looking at a post just decide that every post made by that person should be flagged, that is petty, no matter the situation!

If you don't see a problem with this behaviour, or how easily it could be manipulated, then I think you are foolish.

> But they obviously have an investment in the platform, and thus an interest to make it work and the same rights to use their stake as anyone else.

Does that mean if I had 10 accounts I should get 10 times the say as a person using a single account?

> When your list is made up of 1/3 alt accounts, it could appear as one person with a bunch of sock puppet accounts holding a grudge. [...]
without even looking at a post just decide that every post made by that person should be flagged, that is petty

You seem to be mixing up two things. The downvotes don't go automatically towards a person, they follow another downvoting account. This particular trail follows curangel, and the downvotes it gives are decided on every 12 hours by its delegators. We don't downvote for anyone's personal grudges, I guarantee that by moderating the submissions. If no valid reason is given which aligns with the whitepapers reasoning for downvotes, it will be removed.

Trails are useful to use your full influence when you don't have the time, you can follow someone you trust without giving up the possibility to vote yourself when you want to like you would do with a delegation.
I agree with your sentiment about automated votes for an account - and for me that's valid for both up- and downvotes! Someone should have a look at the post before a vote is cast.

> Does that mean if I had 10 accounts I should get 10 times the say as a person using a single account?

Your voice on here depends on your stake. If you split it over 10 accounts which all vote the same posts or keep it on only one doesn't matter.

Glad to see I was wrong about steem auto, I thought that seemed a little too shitty to actually be allowed.

I understand that your voice depends on your stake. I still stand by the comment about 1/3 of your voting trail though, that is a terrible look if you want to be taken seriously as a positive movement on the platform.

I still don't get why someone who uses their downvote (manually or by delegation) would need to be a regular poster, or even just tell who they really are. Weirdly, nobody cares about upvote trails and looks at all the accounts in there. There are upvote trails with >1000 followers, many of them long dead.

We don't have influence on the trail, we didn't "create" it and we can't exclude anyone. It would maybe look prettier if they delegated because the list of downvotes would be shorter, but then they wouldn't be able to use their upvotes themselves.
On the flipside, a longer list of downvotes might give more people the courage to use their own downvotes. Idk, I just keep thinking out loud because I fail to see the issue.

> Your voice on here depends on your stake. If you split it over 10 accounts which all vote the same posts or keep it on only one doesn't matter.

With posts, fair enough. How does that go when it comes to voting on witnesses though?

Same, everything is stake weighted. The only way to prevent multiple accounts having more influence on anything. It doesn't allow for anything to be egalitarian, but at least someone with more stake has more to lose when they vote maliciously.

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This is abnormal what is happening here. I mean this should be a place for everyone. Not just for ocd group.
I dont have anyway problem with them, but i saw how some of they members changed. And guess what i can find it some of they members told that steemit is just a business. It is here on the blockchain so when ever i want i can prove it. So i dont understand what is the wrong then. I also use to downvote shitposts but i think yours are ok.
I also started to feel now that some ruler class left steemit because of the downvotes but i dont like neither the new ones who try to dictate.

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That's the word....'abnormal'....thank you!

He he welcome 😂

But really one team left another came and 1 thing is same with both teams. That they wanna earn more and they support they own group and nobody else.

Is it the newsteem?🤔

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The new team...rules with an iron hand....and that which was acceptable before is no longer acceptable.

In my opinion......limiting the number of posts to 4 per day...which was a limit in times past would have been a solution.

There are all kinds of players in this game...now there are those who think they are the judge and jury of who is allowed to play and they are powerful enough to push those who do not fit into their mold off the platform and they do.

Principle from Shakespeare....

Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Power is a heady thing....thus the abnormal activity.

All the best to you.

Thank you for your reply. ^__^

Cheers!

ocd wasn't even involved until he started downvoting minnows who follow the trail. Please give the props for upsetting the man-baby where they belong, this was caused by @curangel :D

I just shared my thoughts and what i feel. I dont belong nowhere. I even dont post nowdays do to my work.
But i still read and currate. And this is fact. Nobody is not perfect but steem should be for everyone.

How we wanna onboard the masses if we cant handle even this few accounts?

I even cant imagine if there will be more tribes. Than we make a tribe wars?

As i told i use to currate and also i am useing my downvotes if i dont like something but these downvote trials are something that use to be in the nursery or kindergarden.

So dont take it personal i just shared what was in my mind😉

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Nothing taken personal, I never do that on the internet :D

We can only onboard the masses when those with SP don't use it to split up the reward pool between themselves. Downvotes are the tool to return some of that back to the pool for everyone else. And as not every investor has time and the patience to deal with stuff like what's happening here, we have a trail which helps us to remove more rewards from the big vote traders to the rest of the community.

We also don't speak in military terms about it. It's a tool the blockchain provides to be used exactly for that reason. If somebody feels attacked personally and starts to connect it with violence it's their own issue.

Greetings @broncnutz,

They do not have enough power to push you out....but they have pushed others out and off the platform.

Here's wishing you all the best......may they play checkers whilst you play chess.

Cheers!

PS....We need a list of witnesses who are opposed to 'free flags'....so we can vote them in.

Did i not tell you what would happen?
Did i not tell you exactly, to the letter what was going to happen.

I did... but you dont listen...
You just couldnt be smart and take the route Exyle took so all im going to say is:

>Good luck.

lol

You did @lordbutterfly.

Cheers!

This is Total hell what is going on, I have never seen such thing. Even if You are not breaking Steemit's policy, because somebody said something to the Flagging group, they Keep Flagging...
I asked for facts but what I hear is rounding the same story...I have never seen such a Steemit Demoncracy...

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I briefly joined a down vote curation trail as I honestly thought I was helping clean up STEEM but I can see that all this has done has got me involved in a flag war that I do not want to be part of. I have now left the trail and rermoved the down vote.

I am sorry that your post was down voted and you can rest assured that I will not be joined any more trails!