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How do you see the freedom in a decentralized platform ?

BY: @clixmoney | CREATED: Dec. 3, 2018, 1:15 p.m. | VOTES: 106 | PAYOUT: $8.78 | [ VOTE ]

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I just want to know your answer to the question in the title.

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@spherechain | Dec. 3, 2018, 1:32 p.m. | Votes: 2 | [ VOTE ]

Great video bro, this is an excellent question. I feel that the reason people can flag eachother is because of the decentralized free nature of the Steem blockchain. The alternative would be to have moderators, but since the creators allowed anyone to gain influence, the community became self-sustained in that manner. I honestly don't feel like I can speak freely on here, but I do try my best to speak the truth without pissing off others. It's a difficult balance I am sure you are aware of, I remember seeing you when you were a 36. It definitely feels scarier the less tenure you have.

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@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 1:40 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Yeah, of course and I see people are afraid here. They prefer to say something in discord, facebook or somewhere else, rather to say what they exactly think in steem. It's hard to keep that balance that you are keeping, I understand you well because I try to do the same. But we can't hold everything in us forever. We should support freedom of speech.

@spherechain | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:15 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

I feel that as we gain more users on the blockchain, the balance of free speech should self correct. At least I hope so. crosses fingers

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@kawaiicrush | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:03 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Well Clix it is not logical for people to say everything out in the open. Life does not work like that blockchain or not! Imagine a husband might tell his wife his boss is grumpy and he does not like him. But this is in private to his wife at home. If something needs to be said in private it is for a reason. You can not just blurt every thought out and then say "free speech". You would be hated by everyone if you did that. If we say exactly what we think about every single thing, we would have no privacy to keep certain things to our selves, or between only close family/friends.. than you are throwing your privacy rights away.

Just because something is shared or thought does not mean telling the whole world about it is the solution. Freedom to not tell by choice is also a form of freedom. We get to choose if we WANT to say things or not. There is no rule you have to say every thought you have, and if there was than we would be suffering from communist dictatorship rule.

So a mans wife might tell her husband her breasts are sore from nursing a baby in privacy. Should he go into his work and say "HI EVERYONE SUSAN HAS SORE NIPPLES TODAY"! You see not everything is meant for public consumption and that which is shared among close family and friends should be respected via boundaries of trust. Saying "free speech" and using that as a pass to share private information just makes someone into a jerk. There is nothing noble in that. A person who does this will not be respected or trusted. I think people also use this 'free speech' notion to try to throw other people 'under the bus'. There is a line of respect for others, and respect for ourselves that should be maintained when exercising freedoms. Otherwise we just ruin our reputation (and I don't mean the blockchain rep score). I mean the way others see us. No one would trust or respect a person who does not show respect for others.

Freedom is not only about giving everything we think away to others. But freedom is also choosing to hold our opinions to ourselves at times. Both are an exercise in freedom. Someone choosing to keep their thoughts to privacy is actually in fact someone exercising their freedom of their right to privacy. Which is their free choice to decide to share or not share who hears their thoughts.

Where is this unwritten rule that true freedom is sharing everything we think? We are allowed to hold opinions to ourselves and we have the freedom to chose to do that or not. If someone tells me I am not allowed to hold my opinion than in fact they are not allowing me to exercise my free right to privacy. And therefore the person in fact does not actually stand for true freedom.

@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:24 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Nice opinion, but in my case I'm talking about freedom of speech. Everyone is free to hold what he has to hold. But everyone has the right to say what he wants as well.

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:28 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

You said some people only say their thoughts on discord. That is because they want privacy. Then you said they wont say things on Steemit. Again. That is their free right to privacy. You of course are free to share your thoughts. But you can not decide what others choose to share or not. It is their free will. Only you can choose what you choose for your own self.

@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:35 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Of course. I'm not deciding here, I'm asking, I just want to know opinions, that's it.

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:37 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Great well now you have mine.

@soufiani | Dec. 3, 2018, 1:35 p.m. | Votes: 2 | [ VOTE ]

Actually we are free when ever we were, we were created free and we will remain free, honestly i watched only 40sc of the video and i couldn't continue due to bad internet. Good question btw bro

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@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 1:43 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

I'm glad you feel free. It's the most important to be excited about a platform. To keep create and improve.

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@priyanarc | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:07 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Good question.. well, in this case , I m a little plankton and my journey here is small. I m still learning and getting involve with this platform day by day. I feel free from my perspective to talk and write here because I talk about some points which I honestly feel from my point without getting someone hurt. But yes, sometimes I become diplomatic because of downvote system and to avoid controversy. hmm, In some cases people are not free to give honest opinion. As I m learner so may b it will take time to Give my opinion about freedom ...

@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:29 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Don't worry about that, just keep creating and improving, I just like to talk about such topics sometimes.

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:29 p.m. | Votes: 5 | [ VOTE ]

Very interesting question Clix. Meaningful to me as well. This censorship topic and the consequences of having open thought and opinion led to my YouTube friends being deleted from YT. Which was how I found Steemit. They told me they knew of a free platform. Where free speech was possible and where we could not ever be deleted. At the time we did not know about the downvoting system. I think the downvoting system is a form of censorship but it rests within the hands of the community to choose what is acceptable. Whereas with YouTube the owners of YouTube decide. Here the people decide. And to me that is not perfect freedom but way closer to it than just being wiped off of YouTube for saying the wrong thing. At least here you can still exist no matter your opinions.. mind you with a possible low rep via down votes from free speech which may offend others.

So after the mass censorship of YouTube I made an account here. My intent when I made the account however was to create a fun channel to share my family life and make people smile. The intent of my channel here is not be political. However as people have seen I can be very out spoken with my feelings, thoughts, and opinions.

People in power often squash all opinions they do not care for by simply calling those opinions 'hate speech'. Which is too broad. If people want real freedom they need to develop a thick skin. Saying facts and truth can lead to the arrest of otherwise free people.

As we know some people have even been shot for free thought and opinions. Let us think of Martin Luther King. He was assassinated. He was a free thinker and out spoken. This man paid the ultimate price.

So what conclusion can I draw from this? The conclusion is that freedom exists. Yes people can say anything they want. But they must understand that freedom comes with a price. When we exercise our freedoms we have to deal with the consequences of those actions. We have people who will oppose our views and take action against us for having world views that do not line up with their own.

So for example someone is free to say out loud as a large body builder walks by "hey meat head" but they should be prepared to possibly get punched in the face. Because when we say things we have to deal with the people who hear those things. And therefore if we want to maintain a level of peace we must be mindful that what we say will effect those who hear our thoughts. And in turn we will have to deal with the consequences of those heard opinions/thoughts.

I think this topic goes further than the blockchain. I think it is the same for if you work at a grocery store, or you are a nurse, or a hair stylist, or you are on YouTube, or even here on blockchain. The point is freedom has a price. Freedom costs. We pay for it. People have died fighting for freedom. And even now the battle for freedom wages on. There will always be opposing views.

So we have to ask ourselves what is our objective here? Are we here merely to entertain? As such we should stick to that, and try not to offend others.

If we are here strictly to share political views we can do so. But we must realize that for every action there is a reaction. And yes I would assume people who do not agree will down vote and punish opposing view points.

So let me explain myself a little more. If I work at the bank and my boss is over weight. It is my right as a free born human to say "Hi Fatso!" But he will probably fire me and I will not have a job! Does that mean I do not have free speech? You see I do have the freedom to say that, and I can say that if I want.. but where it gets deeper is when I realize that.. YES I can say anything I wish.. but I will have to PAY the price for what I say. So I must decide between working at the bank, or calling my boss a fatty lol. I know this sounds silly but I am just trying to make sense of this.

Now does that make the employee fake to not say his true thoughts to his over weight boss? No I think it makes him smart because he will know he will become homeless with no way to buy food and pay for his rent. Some things are best left unsaid. And some things are worth fighting for.

Some things like the efforts of Martin Luther King are worth paying the ultimate price for.

We can say anything we wish. But we will pay the price. The question is.. is the cause so great that you would pay the ultimate price? If not than it is best to keep certain opinions to ourselves and carry on. We can hold opinions and choose when and if to share them. We own our thoughts. We own our actions. What we choose to do and say will have an effect on others. We have to realize we are free, but so are others to react to what we choose to say and do.

I could say more but I think I have sort of said my 2 cents here.

Thanks for this Clix! Talk soon :D

Here is Newtons cradle. I feel our actions, thoughts, opinions, and words can effect those around us much like this cradle. If we knock others.. which we are free to do so yes.. they will knock back.

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@hafizullah | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:39 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Very well said, like your explanation.

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@kawaiicrush | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:48 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Thank you @hafizullah! I spent a whole hour writing that <3

@hafizullah | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:55 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

That is why it's look quite good. I appreciate your writing skills. 👌

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@coolguy222 | Dec. 3, 2018, 5:54 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

That shows your positive attitude towards the platform.

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@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:22 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Thanks for the nice comment. I hope people will feel more free in steem in the future.

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:23 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Well you mentioned people do not feel free to say what they want. But I would argue that they are also free to choose to 'not say' what they think as well. Freedom swings both ways. And people also have the free right to choose what to share, and what not to share.

@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:37 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Everyone is free to do what ever he wants. I'm just asking opinions here. Nothing else.

@worldtraveller32 | Dec. 4, 2018, 3:57 a.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Well said @kawaiicrush. I do agree with you on this. There are consequences when one says something about certain things. Good topic of conversation for a future times.

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 4, 2018, 4:33 a.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Thank you @worldtraveller32 :D

I am a bit of an intellectual. I enjoy listening to all sorts of topics and hearing a variety of view points. I even enjoy being offended by things I do not agree with. I feel I grow and learn from hearing a different point of view. Even though my channel only shows my silly side there are many sides of me. One of which is a side that yearns to learn and understand everything I am surrounded by. Talk soon John <3

@mickvir | Dec. 5, 2018, 9:06 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Great answer. I was thinking along those lines also after watching the video . We are free to do as we wish but must remember our actions have consequences. So yes we do have freedom to say what we want but as with everything we do in life it comes with consequences.

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@globetrottermike | Dec. 3, 2018, 2:58 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

hm? have to think about that.
i think it's better as you tube right now,if you have topic's ,that not everybody like's,
if you do the normal bla bla,nothing to worry about,
nobody is really free anyway.

@clixmoney | Dec. 3, 2018, 3:17 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

You are right. We can't be completely free, I was asking about freedom in a decentralized platform.

@globetrottermike | Dec. 3, 2018, 9:08 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

freedom in a decentralized platform, no i don't think so,
every body has a boss, that he or she has to answer to,if they want to quite ,or don't like what you got to say ,they will sillence you,or you will give up ,what ever comes first .

@globetrottermike | Dec. 3, 2018, 6:29 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

freedom in a decentralized platform, no i don't think so,
every body has a boss, that he or she has to answer to,if they want to quite ,or don't like what you got to say ,they will sillence you,or you will give up ,what ever comes first .

@worldtraveller32 | Dec. 4, 2018, 3:54 a.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Hello to my favourite DTuber. What I see as freedom in a Decentralized Platform.
A platform where people could freely express your views and share their lives. Without free from oppression. If they want to talk about something about the government, religion, climate, economy, companies. Or anything. Without censorship or having their videos taken down for just a simple subject. These platforms let people express their opinions more. Very important that we have the expression of free speech.Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. It reinforces all other human rights, allowing society to develop and progress.Freedom of speech is one of the most precious and important human rights. A free society depends on the free exchange of ideas. The ability to express our opinion and speak freely is essential to bring about change in society. Thank you!

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 4, 2018, 4:43 a.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

Very well said @worldtraveller32! I couldn't agree more! If we stand for free speech we must include even that of which opposes our own ideas. Either freedom for all or freedom for none. There is no other way.

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I believe in absolute freedom for all people. My only boundary in what people are not allowed to do is to physically harm each other. Other than that I believe in absolute freedom. It is the one thing that is worth fighting for, and worth dying for. I will gladly stand up in defense of humanity for free speech. It is dear to my heart. My Grandfather served in World War 2.

@cryptospa | Dec. 4, 2018, 5:16 a.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

@clixmoney, I feel relatively free in Steem blockchain.

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@behelen | Dec. 5, 2018, 10:55 a.m. | Votes: 1 | [ VOTE ]

So far, this platform for me is one of the most free for video.
I agree with what @kawaiicrush wrote about YouTube and about the price for freedom.
What is freedom in general? When you consider that your freedom ends where the freedom of another begins. What is freedom?
I cannot answer this question unequivocally.

@clixmoney | Dec. 5, 2018, 9:47 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

Yeah, it's hard to define freedom for me as well. But I think it's the free will do to whatever we want. But maybe it's impossible. Let's say we want to fly or to breath under water. lol So there is no freedom in fact. But at least we are free to say what we want in particular topics and this is the most important. We just have to learn and improve and that's it. ☺

@kawaiicrush | Dec. 6, 2018, 7:08 a.m. | Votes: 0 | [ VOTE ]

The point is that we can do anything we want pertaining to our free will of making choices. But when we do it we will have to deal with the reactions to those choices. For every action there is a reaction. This is a scientific fact.

[IMAGE: https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmYzT9obEx7HSz7TYDaLRmcNeWWCkbvWbHnRq4BaRdMNPk/action.jpg]

Your freedom rests within your actons, your choices that you make in life, what you say, how you treat people. Freedom is not about wishing to have a set of wings and not being able to. That is more about your DNA and you are not a bird and therefore you can not have wings. You are not designed to be a bird. But you have something greater than a set of wings. Unlike animals you have a free will.

So if free will is making choices that you want to make. Then having wings, or breathing under water is not a 'choice' you have no choice to be a fish. You are a human. But you do have a choice in your actions you choose to make in life.

The free will to choose between right and wrong. Animals run on instincts. Humans run on free will and choices. Freedom is when we exercise our free will to make choices and decisions. And a lack of freedom is when someone prohibits and or stops you from being able to exercise your right to having freedom of your expression.

Exercising free will (exercising freedom) is action, and as the picture shows above for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is Newtons law. It is a scientific fact. So when we exercise our freedom which we are free to do that, we will have to deal with the 'reaction' from others (who also have free wills of their own..) to the 'action' of the exercising of our freedom when we exercise it. That was the point I was making.

Not being an animal is not because you are not free to be one. It is simply because you are not one. You have no choice in it. And therefore it is not about a loss of freedom. You can not be something you are not. You have not suffered a loss of freedom. Because wanting to be something and not being able to be that thing is not an issue of someone not allowing you to do it. You have no choice in it. And unless someone else blocks you from being a fish then you have not suffered a loss of freedom.

We can look at the slave trade going back hundreds of years. Those people suffered a loss of freedom. Not some person who says.. I want to be a unicorn but I cant. I hope this makes sense.

Thanks @behelen for understanding what I was trying to say.

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