Hive Dev Fund: AI Agent Developer Tooling Pilot Program

The proposal sounds very interesting and could be a great help to independent developers. In my case, I don't usually have much time to devote to these types of tasks on a daily basis, but with a tool like this, I think I could make much better use of that limited time and be more productive.

You can count on my support.

It's an easy WIN WIN for the ecosystem.

That's where my head is at. I love WIN WINs!

Ur seriously falling for this crap?

I actually like this proposal yea. Getting more HIVE Devs at a relatively cheap cost makes sense to me.

Like based on the amount this proposal is asking for and what it is aiming to achieve, this proposal really does seem reasonable to me.

This proposal is not promising the moon and it’s not some absurd amount of funds they are asking for.

This is definitely worth testing out. We need more developments in DAPPs that can bring in more users.

They’ve done a great job so far, user activity down 95% since 2020/2021 and we keep funding same nonsense hype ideas with no results. difference is now we are bleeding as a chain and need to stop spending like it’s 2021. We should be reducing DHF funding all around, not continuing to rinse & repeat same hype ideas with no results.

This is great I’m sure to apply.

Lol. Didn't you make enough from utopis?

Trumpman in the house!

We don´t need more development, we need more / better marketing! The product is already decent, but nobody knows about it!

Yeah with a shrinking userbase we should probably attempt to address that instead of trying to build for that shrinking userbase

I doubt that users don't stay aroung because we don't do enough marketing. If we can't retain them, that means we don't fulfill their needs.

Then we should focus on developing tools to retain our users. Look for good usecases where Hive Tech can be used outside of our bubble. Not wait on companies and other projects to find us, but to find different projects or companies and find out if Hive Tech can benefit them in some way so we can approach them with a proposal.

Yeah it's not really about marketing and just pissing away money on ads or whatever initiatives we've tried and failed at before. But as you said at least developing for outside of our sphere a bit more.

We've had decent features added to the front-ends here and there, but again mostly just for anyone that's already here. Nothing that solves much for anyone beyond.

No EVM or smart contract compatibility is probably the single biggest barrier to Hive being adopted and has been for years now.

Ethereum has Solidity. Solana has Rust-based programs. Both have massive ecosystems of tooling, tutorials, and developer infrastructure around their smart contract platforms.

Hive doesn't have general-purpose smart contracts at all.

Everything is built around custom operations and layer 2 solutions like Hive Engine, which is useful but nowhere close to the flexibility or composability that smart contracts offer. A developer who knows Solidity has zero transferable skills to Hive. That's a massive friction point.

That's not to say that we have to ditch the current custom JSON operation approach, but layer 2 solutions are a bandaid, not a true solution to the smart contract difference compared to other blockchains.

I also think our wallet and tooling UX is dated. Metamask, Phantom, Backpack. These wallets are polished, well-known, and integrate with thousands of apps. Hive Keychain works and stoodkev did solid work, but it doesn't have the same level of polish or recognition. The account creation process alone, with keys and resource credits and account names, is confusing for people coming from other chains where you just install a wallet and go.

And one of the bigger things is we have noo mindshare in the broader crypto developer community.

Solana and Ethereum have hackathons, grant programs with serious money behind them, accelerators, VC ecosystems feeding into them, and cultural presence on crypto Twitter. Hive has a loyal community, but outside of that community, most crypto developers have either never heard of it or think of it as "that old Steem fork for blogging." That perception problem is real and it compounds everything else.

We could easily fund these efforts. Heck, if I knew there was the opportunity to me to be able to work on these efforts and get funded for them, I would do it in a heartbeat. I build fun tools and dApps for Hive, but large and ambitious things we actually need require time and for many of us, we're working other jobs so that time needs to be funded. Right now where do devs go to even get funding for these things, a proposal that won't be seen?

💯 Agree. HIVE shall seek and find the market, not they other way around. No tech ever became successful by simply creating more tech.

we have here users that want to enforce their worldview on Others.

No Memes, No Fun, No new communities build because of that.

Is not about rewards, is about allow others to build with their own views without a hirachy enforces over them

Think about some Computer Hardware people come to hive, upvote each other ( cyclejerk but value each other), more people join and then retarded Old hive users start bully them off.

Never happened? Check last Bullruns, the stakeholders on Hive are pretty retarded to make the holdings more valuable.

Secure pennies in "abuse" and fuck off real users.

We can only pray for another 50% drop. Only this will allow drastic changes.

Hivewatchers for example wants you to post a source of your meme? WTF, Hive has his own retarded rules.

Attention from Humans can never be reward abuse. If people think this is the case, we should ride it to Zero.

The non stop downvotes is driving everyone away.

No. Those that are driven away by it are just complaining the loudest.
The majority just disappears because they don't enjoy the product.

That’s probably correct.

This is true + downvotes ( and not even Hivewatchers) from other users dont agree feel unfair to users.

It is what it is. With "smart media tokens" it might be different.

But 1 shared reward pool for 1000000 different worldviews and opinions is pretty retarded and will ultimate work like a social credit system.

Offend nobody, be nice to everyone, have no opinion about anything.

Thats not what online culture is. Imagine normal Forums could use Hive as extension for payments ( and can post Content also).

The problem they have a different view what value is and they need a reason to use Hive.

What is the reason to use Hive? There is no reason.

Price is low enough to rework the retarded curation mechanic, maybe make it disappear or make it so low that is has no impact. Hive cant drop below zero, so whats the risk?

Or PPL can vote where the share of the pool should go into. Like tags or communities, so they can Overview it for themselves.

Fight abuse ( is only necessary if spam). Social media is always retarded, so Holders need to accept it or should sell all hive ( i mean long term it will hit 0 if nothing changes).

100x users means more $ for holders. Let them have a place to log in daily, cyclejerk each other ( For that they need hive power, so more demand) and let them have fun.

If abuse is from math to much damage, reduce the % issued in Hive rewards, problem fixed.

If they don´t come in first place they can´t stay. And most of the people left didn´t do so because the product has too little features. Of course it would be better if it is that developed like e.g. X, but this proposal won´t reach that anyway.

The people I onboarded all left because the features of the product didn't make them want to stay. There was no drama, just boredom.

if they come and get bullied off because they dont source a MEME by DAO funded hive police, they leave anyway.

Hive is literally no fun.

People cant build here a community on Base layer with Hive rewards because other retards around here want to enforce their worldview above them.

https://peakd.com/active/@hivewatchers/taak1k

Watch this, he literally says " because other social media allows Memes without citazion doesnt mean it should be the case on Hive.

Is like users need to relearn social media to use hive. Will Never happen.

And worst, look who Votes for this DAO proposal, yeah. The biggest Holders.

So you know its not about to get more Users in.

Yes, shit happens (like everywhere in the real world), but it doen´t mean one can´t build and grow here.
I also don´t like most of the proposals, still I like the platform itself.

i like it too, also because it can be fixed. But we need to bring it on the table and in a bullrun nobody wants to talk about shit.

But at rock bottom, we can get real changes.

The downvote mechanic needs a update and rework for sure. It should not be possible to write a bot and autodownvote new users ( Come on that is retarded).

like 100k hive power can destroy 1M USD in marketing budget. Even if not done yet, it could be done. So it needs a fix.

The reward pool abuse is a math problem and not a opinion problem.

If new users upvote each others memes with pennies ( because new users) they need for this Hive power. So they bought in past or earned it.

Lets say they bought above their little community 20k Hive power and upvote each other on niche community content.

If the "damage" because of cycle jerk or whatever the hive police calls it is bigger as the money they did spend, the rewards are to high in general.

So instead of 10% yield on HP, it should be reduced to 3%. Problem solved.

But wait, that would mean the trending page cycle jerk loses power too.

So what do we want? More users? More Inflation? Higher token prices? Lower?

More power to a handful of hive users? Or more users with everyone has a bit of power ( their HP)?

IDK, but the Witnesses ( that should act to validate blocks) Act like leaders. In short they don't.

Btw low prices are the best time to enforce change :) So thats more bullish as hive at 50 cent with same problems ( in a long run).

It hits zero ( what i dont think) or it stays the same ( would be gay) or problems get solved ( And tbh hive is today better as years ago, but shit is stagnant for a while now).

We shall onboard more users by partnering with compelling services with their own community. Let other services external to HIVE benefit from the HIVE blockchain. For this we shall go biz dev mode. Find those services, talk with them, propose interesting enhancements to their service and community involving the HIVE blockchain. Close partnerships in that way. When needed, even offer dev work for integration work. This means, DHF funding biz dev and everything that comes with it. Obviously only to those that master the art of this type of work. Pay on delivery instead of pay per day.

Paying for tools, like this proposal, is not the right way to go. In the end it’ll be lot of wasted money, with little useful results.

Good idea, someone should do that.

Will you support a good proposal for such?

With current HIVE price I only support proposals with a very low ask. But in general, yes, totally.

I will prove to you, with 100k hive power a random can destroy 1 Million USD fund in marketing.

New users are super easy to get bullied off. The Downvotes are pretty much the most retarded shit on Hive.

No Memes, No Fun, No community building of new people.

Hive could easy be a better universal Forum software. Like Payments and problem talk.

But each group has a culture, and hive only allow 1 Culture ( ruleset).

The Smart media tokens failed. Hive is literally worse than any other social media platform.

Why i say this? Because it can change so easy...

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This proposal seems pretty reasonable to me. I think using AI could help how much time Dev work takes and reduce spend.

Also, in my opinion, this proposal could help decentralize dev work and people LOVE decentralization in crypto.

No receipts, same people again & again get funded, project fails, no receipts Ever shown, repeat. We are in a 98% plus collapse in price & close to that since daily active user base in 2021. The DHF needs to be reduced all around. It’s wild people who make a big deal about KE, don’t seem to be bothered by huge drain of funds via DHF waste & abuse. I respect u a lot! I’m not critical of a different opinion, it just doesn’t make sense. Some other whales are in on it and always vote for this crap, but u are a fresh new kind and i just wish you’d look at the history of DHF past 5 years to see how this normally goes. Maybe this one is the exception to the rule, but not likely. Same names same rinse repeat DHF nonsense. !PIZZA !LADY

This is why people do not leave a reason for downvotes. I mentioned KE as 1 of many factors in why I downvote and then it gets taken out of context to be used against me in a conversation about 1 proposal. You are not the first person to do it either.

I don’t think it makes sense to ignore all proposals and just fund the return proposal because of how the DHF has been used historically.

AI is huge right now. Using AI to help dev work makes sense. AI is the future imo. AI agents provide a lot of value when they are leveraged effectively.

I actually like this proposal over most proposals because it’s super straight forward on how much they are asking for and what those funds will be used for.

I also don’t think these are the same names of the people you are referring to.

problem with downvotes is that it is a hirachy that can enforce into every community.

Downvotes make sense with smart media tokens, so people can have a protected area on Hive with own reward mechanics and whatever.

It doesnt make sense if you are able to vibe out a community ( No matter what they are about).

Imagine you start downvote people with white skin because you dont like them. Or you dont like AI, or whatever, you get the point.

Lets say a little community comes over from a niche forum / reddit and want to use Hive for it because they got banned on reddit for example.

They have a different view what value is to them. So they should be able to upvote each other and get rewards ( for that they need btw Hive power, what is good for holders).

If the "abuse" makes to much " damage" the rewards are to high from the system and needs to be reduced.

But tbh the cycle jerk on trending is 10000x worse as someone posts a meme or a short comment that gets a upvote.

At least real humans would interact not like the trending that rarely has more then 10 comments on a post.

Price action is the best marketing for any crypto. We sure love to dump ours.

And it’s only going to get worse. Glad I got most my stake powered down at .60 cents 13 months back. I don’t see blindly holding stake when almost every whale supports the DHF abuse & fraud as In some way being loyal. I look at it as I’m voted against this crap by powering down. I kept 10K to function part time but sold 30K at .55-.67 cents Jan 2025. I can’t compete with the whales so I powered down and sold when it was obvious we’d collapse during Bitcoin bull.

I wish I wasnt sentimental when it comes to hive. Good thing it's just a fraction of my portfolio 🤭

I hear ya! 😶

i thought hive is a charity?

btw what you holding fren? something good that goes 1000000x? :D

And we need a business model that is more than a musical chairs game where all financing comes from investors

Devs create the product, the ecosystem, and the hype. A solid dev program is always a good bet. Solana shows this clearly.

If Solana had the same level of marketing as Hive, nobody would knew about them.

you got a point. i think so. maybe as a dev and my bubble i think this is a good markething. i first heard of solana cause of hackathons. see it as a core component of their marketing and ecosystem growth strategy.

its a win win using it to drive innovation and attract developers. also helps generate buzz around new technologies.

but it all depends what the blockchain wanna to attrack. i feel that hive stop with dapps inovating and i heard of hive cause whas one of the first to have dapps.

This proposal is pretty clear on what the goals are and I think trying to leverage AI as an ecosystem is a good move. If more people use stuff like this it can reduce a lot of spend.

I don't think our issue is marketing.

I honestly think we should try to focus on having a good time so the platform is a fun place to be. Having more fun will go a long way imo.

If we are having a good time, more people will want to come here and have a good time, onboarding new people should be easier if we have more fun on HIVE.

Actually, I'd like to see this proposal as a way to cover both bases. If we could have another app, game, tool etc. that garnered attention similar to how Splinterlands did a couple of years back, that would mean a massive surge of new users.

like ai makes ppl enterpreneurs. What magic

Or gets bullied off from it. I dont see how to give away free claude code ( there is a 20$ subscription) helps. Is not like they become enterpreneurs with it.

And if they dont have 20$, there is a market mechanic that proved it is a waste to fund it.

There are a lot of free and good models like kimi 2.5 ( close to sonnet 4.5). PPL that cant research stuff their own to build should not get funded by DAO.

But looks like this will get funded like another rally car.

💯

DAO is mostly 2-4 accounts voting.

> Or gets bullied off from it. I dont see how to give away free claude code ( there is a 20$ subscription) helps. Is not like they become enterpreneurs with it.

20$ sub is useless.

to test and build is good. you can use it to plan use kimi 2.5 and then to plan again ( and bug fix).

is still enough to build a app that works ( and to see if entrepreneurial spirit is there).

I dont see give away 200$ ones will make ppl build cool shit.

>I dont see give away 200$ ones will make ppl build cool shit.

I don't know why people skip the review part of the process. It will be given to people that already have history of building cool shit. Not random schmucks.

because i didnt write it is not skipping. Anyway, it doesnt make Hive any better. Feel free to vote for it.

People that doesnt have 200$ never build anything that has any value. Otherwise, they could afford it.

Its not even expensive at all. ( do they have Hosting/ VPS? A computer? And other tools like a mouse?)

I do pay for both ChatGPT 200$ sub and Claude 200$ sub. Getting one for free would be good if I am cash strapped. I don't plan to apply for it though.

I have both too. But i think you get the point, i dont think random ppl will produce value and ppl that can afford it already have it.

I see your point, but I think 200$ subs are not that affordable in some parts of the world. I wouldn't mind people like @meno getting access to it for example.

Its a difference if a list of cool ppl get access to it. It would hit different if 50 people that add value by track record get it.

We can't see if it would successful, without trialing it :mrtats/pained_laugh:

If it isn't successful or there isn't enough people that apply funds could be sent back to DHF I think.

sure. It gets funded anyway. We will see what happens.

I expect ppl use it for something else and no app at all gets build

But TBH, if ppl really want it, they could simple ask people here ( 1 by 1) and get post rewards. Most content is trash anyway and this would be a 100x better value.

Or add the 10k to a stash ( farming yield) and slow give it away and not at all time low.

10k is 100k Hive additional Inflation btw on top of the already 20% inflation lmao

Better than valueplan at least

100%

Computer geeks believe that 90% of success is code, but that's absolutely not true. Smart marketing is the key. Why did Macintosh lose to Windows in the 1990s? MARKETING

I thought its beyond marketing to not bully of the users of your product, i might be wrong.

Proposal done, and all of the best with your efforts!

Quite disappointing how many accounts I’ve supported keep supporting hype proposals with same lack of helpful results. Always enjoyed supporting your charity but this seeing all you guys keep helping bleed funds via DHF waste & abuse is quite frustrating 🙁

By extension especially with the new Claude multi Agent Experimental mode that launched today, if we were to approve this proposal then should development hours be cut significantly saving Hive thousands of dev hours in funding?? Also The danger is every half of Venezuela will be applying for free Claude. I trust you would manage this accordingly?

>Review - Applications are vetted based on developer history, quality of prior work, and the viability of proposed Hive contributions.

I mean, half of Venezuela could apply, doesn't mean they would get approved.

Well if half of Venezuela applied that means our user base would go through the roof!

The would be like 15 million users.

Send it!

No, that’s not what it means. Hurt Locker my brother! Come on man, u can’t be serious?

In this instance it was not being serious LOL

This same mind begins utopis???

lol I have no idea what Utopsis even is.

You are getting after it in the comments bro. You are getting extra spicy. I’m loving the energy!

😂

Heh

Exactly!

good luck

I.... tentatively really like this as an idea to pilot test. Management is always a challenge, but frankly, you are a great candidate. Thank you, voting.

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I dont know if a new proposal would help with the current situation but at least it is one that look for those that can do more with less.

Regarding the scope, creating an MCP of Hive should be a priority in this case. We have use Claude Opus 4.5 and beyond the good results in many aspects, Hive remains a difficulty for certain actions. An MCP build by Hive core developers and with the use of IA to speed up the process would be heavily beneficial to accomplish a good result from this proposal.

Note that Claude Opus and Claude Code are very different things. Claude Opus on its own didn't amaze me when it came to coding software.

Claude Code (instrumented version of Claude Opus) did amaze me. And it makes programming Hive super easy.

Got it. I haven't tried that, but I think this means an MCP will help those who can't afford Claude Code and don't have the experience to apply for this pilot program.

Yeah! sure! and i wanna apply, im doing everythig with free tier. $200 is almost my rent value! lol

Saludos,Creo que Hive debería lanzar un juego sencillo y adictivo,
como un clicker para móviles o una ruleta, que sea fácil de usar y que pueda hacerse popular rápidamente. La idea es que el juego ofrezca pequeñas recompensas en Hive u otros tokens, pero sin perjudicar el Hive orgánico, algo completamente separado de las publicaciones y los upvotes.
Estoy convencido de que mucha gente se uniría rápidamente. Solo se necesita que expertos analicen cómo este tipo de juego podría generar recursos y tener un impacto positivo en el ecosistema. No tengo mucho conocimiento técnico, ni económico, es solo una idea que se me ocurrió. .Sería genial que; los desarrolladores la consideraran y la hicieran realidad! Hoy en día, la gente busca formas de entretenerse, especialmente en un mundo tan complicado como el latinoamericano . La clave es que esto no afecte a los creadores de contenido, sino que, al atraer a más usuarios, se genere una mayor demanda de Hive, incluso entre aquellos que no crean contenido. Solo es una idea que tengo, ¡un abrazo a todos!

I saw "AI Agent Developer" in the headline & decided to support this already.

I heard hive hackathon

@mengao @xvlad @r4topunk @shiftrox

I expect this is likely to be THE most impactful DHF proposal ever if we get a sufficient number of qualified applicants.

If all the Hive programmers master using Claude Code, we should see a huge leap in productivity. Personaly, I estimate that I'm at least 10x more effective as a programmer with it.

If even a fraction of Hive’s active developers reach a genuine 5–10x productivity gain, the compounding effect across the ecosystem could be enormous, not just in shipped features, but in maintenance, iteration speed, and overall developer morale.

Why do you think funding tools for community members is a good way forward, instead of eg funding work results? Why do you think this is sustainable? And last but not least, what do your think is in fact needed to grow HIVE ecosystem and usage?

Funding tools vs Funding results: This is a no-brainer. If the devs don't have the tools, then we'll have far less results and they will cost a lot more.

Just do the math: the cheapest reasonable programmers you can find will cost you more than $1K USD per month. If they use Claude Code, for $200/month, it's like paying $1200 for $5000 worth of programmers. And that's assuming the cheapest programmer you could find, and you'll spend a lot of time trying to find a good programmer that would even work that cheap.

As to what will grow the ecosystem, there's two methods, it's not rocket science either: 1) provide more useful functionality (e.g. develop more software) and 2) market it better. At this particular time, I think method 1 is more easy to approach than 2.

The question remains, what are useful tools?
For instance, of all the blog web frontends we have, some are constantly funded from DHF, none of them has the UX of a standard social media. Am not even speaking about a native smartphone app. Funding devs is one; Funding (and driving) tools we absolutely need, is something else.

Implicit in the proposal is funding useful software. But obviously there will be different opinions about what is useful. If "useful" was a universal category, everyone would use the same software. If you feel you are the best judge of what's useful to the most people, then make a proposal for your idea of what's useful, and find someone to implement it.

Useful software doesn't sell it self.

Would you support funding proposals in which business teams are formed to seek partnerships with external services; When needed to create integrations between such partner services with the HIVE blockchain?
Cost will be involved including but not limited to cost of concept development, cost of sales, cost of contracts, costs of development (when such is needed).

And Opus 4.6 is unbelievable. If it doesn't go through we get left behind

Bro kimi 2.5 on opencode is free. Is close as good to sonnet.

20$ claude is also pretty good to start with. Is not like it will pump out 100x devs.

And ppl with skills and experience dont need it for free. A open source model hosting would be different and used with Hive credits ( for example). Some market mechanic to refinance the use.

It is an excellent proposal to boost the Hive development, because it needs a big debugging. I think that not only the history is necessary but also the future projection.

10x more time to suck dicks

Nothing really depends on us, so why bothering with multiple proposal posts? We should burn all the remaining DHF to start funding anew

I think that would be a rough way to approach reducing our spend.

I mean this proposal has the potential to get more devs on HIVE and get those devs up to speed very quickly. If we are leveraging AI in this way it could reduce spend over the longterm.

I feel like this proposal is reasonable.

This is a genuinely interesting and timely proposal. The idea of lowering the barrier to high-quality AI tooling for developers feels like one of those leverage points where a relatively small amount of funding can unlock outsized returns for the Hive ecosystem. The emphasis on real, verifiable output and monthly accountability is especially reassuring, because it keeps the focus on shipped value rather than abstract experimentation.
Overall, this feels like a smart way to invest in developer productivity, particularly for contributors who may have the skills and ideas but not the disposable income for premium tooling. I’m very interested to see how this unfolds and what kind of projects and improvements come out of it.

The timing is poor so I think if the authors decide to vote it through they need to:
1. Support the burn proposal,
2. Commit to not convert the HBD and use the internal market

They need to buy the subscriptions for the AI Agents so I do not think they could use the internal market for this.

Oh summer child they do - they convert convert DHF HBD into Hive and sell/swap it on cexes. We just want to exclude conversion part and introduce buying Hive

I don't really understand what you are trying to say I guess that's why you called me summer child 😆

Maybe, maybe I am one as well. What's important, in order to use DHF HBD for any expense you need to swap it (HBD has few options while Hive has more and greater liquidity) thus DHF beneficiaries convert HBD diluting Hive

The world can be a dark place so if we are both a summer child maybe that's a good thing because we can ignore the darkness and have a good time 🤣

I very much understand what you are saying now. I think the DHF is inherently dilutive regardless of how it’s done. I think the practical answer is to support the return proposal and only support proposals that bring value and have the cost be reflective of whatever that value is.

It's hard to assess which proposal are the best in cost effectiveness. Some would put more weight on marketing some on developing new functions...and none of them are actually working.
There's the burn proposal that you should support and I wished @blocktrades would also support it.

That's a sticking point for me right now too. Terrible timing with the market in freefall and what appears to be the start of a bear market. This proposal feels like a luxury type idea that would have been okay a few months ago when things were positive and up, not in the red. I wrote a reply that proposes we don't fund subscriptions and we fund deliverables instead.

I don't want to come across as negative here, because I love Hive. I've been around since the Steemit days, and the developer community is genuinely strong even if it's smaller than other blockchain ecosystems. And I appreciate that this is a modest pilot with a conservative budget. That's the right way to test an idea.

But I'd honestly rather see proposals funding specific projects and developments on Hive than AI subscriptions, even at this scale.

The proposal does mention accountability, and I think that's good. Developers showing tangible progress after each month is better than nothing. But here's where I get stuck: if we're measuring success by output anyway, why not just fund the output directly? If someone builds a great dApp or contributes meaningful infrastructure work, fund that. You skip the middleman of monitoring whether a subscription is actually being used for Hive work, because you're paying for results instead of tools.

And that's the core issue for me. There's no way to verify that these subscriptions are being used for Hive development specifically. A dev could use 80% of their Claude Code usage on freelance work and 20% on a Hive project, show the Hive project as their monthly progress, and nobody would ever know. I'm not saying people will do that, but when you're spending community funds, the structure should make that kind of thing difficult by design, not just hope it doesn't happen.

What I think would be more beneficial is starting with a list of things the community believes Hive actually needs. Tools, dApps, services, infrastructure layers, documentation, onboarding flows, whatever. Then fund those efforts directly with clear scope and milestones. Tie the money to deliverables. That way the community sees exactly what it's getting, and developers have something concrete to be accountable for.

I also want to push back a little on the 10x productivity framing. AI tools in the hands of a skilled, experienced dev are an absolute force multiplier. I've seen it firsthand. A senior developer who already understands architecture, system design, and debugging can use these tools to move at genuinely impressive speed. The AI handles the repetitive stuff while the dev focuses on the decisions that actually matter.

But for inexperienced juniors, or even some intermediate devs I've worked with over the years, these tools can be a trap. They generate code that looks right, passes a quick review, and then falls apart in production because nobody involved actually understood what was being built. The 10x claim assumes a baseline level of competence that not every applicant is going to have. AI doesn't replace the need to know what you're doing. It accelerates people who already do. That's a big difference, and the vetting process would need to be pretty rigorous to account for it.

None of this is me saying the idea has no merit. I get the reasoning, and I respect that it's being pitched as a small pilot rather than a massive funding ask. But if we're going to spend community money to grow the developer ecosystem (especially during what appears to be a bear market and negative sentiment in crypto), I'd rather see it go toward bounties for specific features, grants tied to shipping working software, or direct funding for projects that people on Hive can actually use. That feels like a more accountable path to the same goal.

In my case, I'm a senior dev and I already use these tools, so I don't need a subsidised subscription. I would rather be paid to work on a problem or task instead.

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Appreciate that. And you're right, we shouldn't have to soften every piece of criticism with disclaimers. If something isn't working, it's not negativity to say so. It's just paying attention.

I've always had a soft spot for Steemit and Hive. It's a really nice developer experience (even if we don't have smart contracts), I like how you can do on-chain stuff (although smart contracts would be really good).

What I'd really love to see is a dedicated platform built specifically for task-based Hive development. Something like a bounty board or project marketplace where the community defines what needs to be built, developers pick up the work, and payment happens on delivery. No long proposal cycles, no needing to know the right people, no whale politics deciding whose work matters.

The DHF's fundamental problem isn't the concept. A community treasury funding development is a great idea. The problem is that the approval mechanism is stake-weighted, which means the same dynamics that play out everywhere else on Hive play out there too. A handful of large stakeholders effectively decide what gets funded. If you're not on their radar, your proposal might as well not exist. And if you are on their radar for the wrong reasons, same deal.

A task-based system sidesteps a lot of that. You define the work, you define what done looks like, you set the price. A developer delivers or they don't. Nobody needs to campaign for votes. Nobody needs to write a blog post justifying their existence. The work speaks for itself.

Obviously something like that still needs governance and quality control, you can't just let anyone claim a bounty and submit garbage. But that's a solvable problem. What's harder to solve is the political capture that happens when funding decisions are tied to stake and social influence, and that's exactly what a task-based system would route around.

Agree he doesn’t need to apologize. Being critical makes sense to me as well.

I mean the DHF basically functions as free money so we should careful with this stuff.

I do think this proposal makes sense though.

Like the DHF should be allocated but we should be skeptical.

I read this proposal multiple times. This proposal does make sense to me.

Great comment, the problem in this case is that tool/app/project based funding has hurt Hive and DHF before. So people are incredibly reluctant to fund any projects nowadays. In quite a few cases we had people pitching their ideas about the new shiny thing, receive over $100k in funding and then deliver basically no tangible results or results that did not make any sense or help any Hive user in any way (or help attract more users) before the funding eventually dies out and they disappear.

Not everyone manages the DHF proposals daily, so you'd have a proposal proposed for an entire year, made so much sense, got paid thousands of HBD per month but have next-to-no accountability, simply because no one is actively managing the project from an "investor" perspective.

That's why I believe this project might be more successful, of course, we are not going to invest in some no-name person with a subscription, we would like to vet their previous projects and contribution first. I'd love to see some senior devs who are mingling with AI but haven't had the opportunity to pay for an expensive (yet strong) subscriptions.

As I said in the post, if everything goes well, in the future I'd like Hive Dev Fund to be something akin to the DHF system itself, albeit on a smaller scale. Where tasks, small projects and ideas can get funding, just not in the hundreds of thousands level.

That's a really fair point, and I think you've actually identified the exact same problem I'm describing, just from the other end.

You're right that project-based funding has burned Hive before. People pitching big ideas, collecting six figures, and delivering nothing or next to nothing. I've watched that happen too and it's frustrating. So I get why the instinct is to go smaller and more controlled, and honestly, I respect that this proposal is designed that way. Conservative budget, pilot scope, vetting applicants. That's all sensible.

But I think the lesson from those failed projects isn't that we should stop funding projects. It's that we were funding them wrong. The reason people walked away with $100k and no results is exactly what you said: no one was actively managing it from an investor perspective. No milestones, no stage gates, no "deliver phase one before you get phase two money." The accountability structure wasn't there, so the money just flowed until someone eventually noticed nothing was happening.

That's a fixable problem. If you fund a project in stages tied to deliverables, the worst case scenario is you lose one milestone payment before you cut someone off. That's a completely different risk profile than handing someone a year of funding and hoping for the best.

The other thing milestone and task-based funding does is open up a single feature or problem to multiple contributors. Right now, most proposals are one dev, one project. If that person gets busy with their day job, burns out, or just disappears, the whole thing stalls. But if you break a large feature into discrete tasks, three or four developers can work on different parts of the same problem in parallel. You're not betting everything on one person's availability and motivation. The work keeps moving even if one contributor drops off. That's just a more resilient way to build software, and it's how most serious open source projects operate outside of Hive already.

And what you described wanting for the future of Hive Dev Fund, a smaller scale system where tasks and small projects can get funding without the massive overhead of the DHF, that's basically what I'm arguing for too. I think we're on the same page about where this needs to go. I just think we should start there now instead of routing community funds through AI subscriptions first and evolving toward it later. The task-based model is the stronger foundation, and I'd rather see the pilot built around that from day one.

well a layer 2 DAO fund, like your AI fund is a good way. Imagine a simple website for that ( IMO all DAO fundings should paid in stages not by day).

Like a fundraising website, projects or ideas ket pitched, people can invest in it or not, or can support it with projects like yours to give them a free Claude ( even if i think thats retarded, minimax 2.7 with 1500 calls in 5h is 10$ and enough to start, i also think people that cant find out alternatives for claude have 0 business in using it at all).

Ok the () was offtopic but true. Anyway a fundraise website is a legit business and can easy become from " give claude free" to something better, i would recommend to use the people that want it to also build another project on top of that.

How many Phases do you have planned?

Are you sure this might reduce current DHF free mint HBD? Most of these devs are using those subscriptions & enjoy $300 per day just for prompting.

That is 100 or 200 $ per month per dev who got accepted.

Where did u get 300$ per day figure?

$300 was the dev salary per day.
If you check most of DHF proposals, you can understand how much they asked as a day charge.

Those are truly a kind of scam top of this chain. Because we pay them without checking the progress. So now we are going to mint more HBD for them.

First we need a DHF proposal to review current dev payments. Then if they need these kind of tools (what they already using), then we can pay for that.

Are other chains paying more or less to devs per day?

I assume this proposal is for attracting new devs. Not the ones u r concerned about.

I have to come back to this.

We are bleeding users and price and nothing is done to address immediate problems, just more hype and nonsense. And it gets supported. Unbelievable. And people wonder why I sold a year ago at .60 cents 🙄

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I'm not a developer, but I think it's high time for something like this. We mustn't be neo-Luddites.

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Excited to see this pilot program! Supporting Hive developers with AI coding tools like CloudCode will definitely boost productivity and innovation across the ecosystem. Looking forward to seeing the results! 🚀

If we don't approve this Hive gets left behind. The progression over at Claude is unbelievable at the moment. Normal coding is for dinosaurs at this stage.

I pay $20 for ChatGPT, and I can use it on OpenCode without paying extra. I haven't tested Claude. Is it much more powerful?

I'm not much of a coder; I'm more on the PM side of things, but maybe it would be interesting for the devs in @mantequilla-soft and @aliento.

I think that the proposal is great, but it's bad timing, I guess.

Why not create the fund some other way? Why use the DHF?

> I pay $20 for ChatGPT, and I can use it on OpenCode without paying extra. I haven't tested Claude. Is it much more powerful?

Similar, depending on the situation at the time (compute, model quality etc.) one may be better than the other. Harnesses (like OpenCode) are regularly updated too which may result in different results even if using the same exact model.

> I think that the proposal is great, but it's bad timing, I guess. Why not create the fund some other way? Why use the DHF?

Out of curiosity, how?

Author rewards, beneficiary rewards, witness rewards, there are many ways. Using the reward pool in general, that way we don't bring in extra inflation.

Many whales are mainly voting on things like the @hbdstabilizer, and it's getting a lot of rewards.

This is for the last few weeks:

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https://peakd.com/@hbdstabilizer/activities

But then you're forcing one person (or a few persons) to pay for the project, technically, this is exactly what DHF is for.

I don't think hbdstabilizer is a good example though, all rewards (bonuses on top) hbdstabilizer receives goes back to the DHF anyways.

But this way, people can actually downvote if they do not agree.

Yeah, maybe not the best example, but my point is that there is enough power, even at this valuation, to cover that and more.

I think I will make a post to give more context.

To the same argument, people can simply not vote for the proposal if they disagree.

I'll get more feedback from the community before deciding if I will support or not.

And will talk with the Mantequilla Soft guys about it too.

Claude Code completely destroys ChatGPT for programming. I had this same kind of discussion with a bunch of my programmers at the beginning. They were using all kinds of AI products (other than Claude Code) and I basically had to force them all to switch. But they've all seen the results now.

Another point a lot of people don't get: Claude (the LLM) and Claude Code are different things. A bunch of my PeerVerity team programmers were using Claude with Github Copilot licenses and only paying $10/month, so they were also wondering why I was so forcefully pushing a $200/month license. But Claude with Claude Code performs at an entirely different level, because of the instrumentation around it provides.

Thank you for the explanation!

Makes more sense now.

We briefly discussed it in our latest report on @mantequilla-soft, fast-forward to minute 46:30.

We agree that it's a great opportunity to develop faster, and development budgets should be smaller. I think we will apply, maybe not me directly, but @meno and @kesolink are considering it.

> Claude Code completely destroys ChatGPT for programming. I had this same kind of discussion with a bunch of my programmers at the beginning. They were using all kinds of AI products (other than Claude Code) and I basically had to force them all to switch. But they've all seen the results now.

I think you have not used Codex CLI recently, it has almost all the instrumentation that Claude Code does. (skills, MCP etc.)

You should give using both a go, hell give your Claude Code, Codex CLI agents. You'll see what I mean.

These things advance so fast that it's hard to keep track of everything.

sounds like a waste since opencode kimi 2.5 is free...

PPl that are not able to use free models in combination with claude ( even 20$ one) should not get it for free.

Is like nothing on hive need to have a market mechanic.

Anyway there is a reason the token is close to worthless

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I agree having people getting used to this is quite important and will put weapons on anyone's projects. Not something for me to participate here, although I admit that it helps a lot with exploration of the code and troubleshooting.

I have been trialing with other MCPs like https://replit.com/refer/forkyishere for example, and this market of assisted stuff is going to flood the market soon enough. Which is also a bad thing in terms of how much crap will start to appear if people are not carefully making an effort to produce things that are really working correctly.

Been a crazy bump of learning this year with these things.

Eager to find out about the applicants and how you are planning to balance the type of applications areas... as in, what if (kind of dream come true to be honest) all applicants would want to work on HIVE core development and only 1 or two for tools/applications/games/etc... would the focus be trying to add 1 of each kind of thing or balance initially and if not more diversity, fill with remaining applications in order to maximize the outcome (aka people using claude with HIVE in a general sense)?

Use GAAP. The DHF has to account for disbursements, or we might as well be throwing money out a car windown on a driveby.

Also, HF28 may have had other effects that didn't impact me, but I note that I can now only cast about half as many votes as I could before it rolled out. I also note that HBDfunder comments bleed VP of whales much faster now, and roll in those sweet, sweet curation rewards with, apparently, half the effort. This focuses inflation from the rewards pool purely on curation rewards, and denies creators their share in that pool.

That's gotta end.

Thanks!

Maybe it would be better to build more independent solution where the community could run its own service with opensource models. I'm against to pump money into Big Tech and becoming dependent on them. Since access to the service would be limited to dozens of developers(not milions of users) so maybe DHF could handle costs. I thin such solution is more aligned with the spirit of free software and free economy.

> Apply - Submit an application demonstrating your involvement with programming as a whole (bonus points for Hive related dev)

Could you clarify this last part (bonus points for Hive related dev) ?

Shouldn't it be mandatory that the work is related to Hive?

This is for people who have already done Hive related work. So you could have developers that haven't really done anything on Hive vs people who have done it before.

AH ok

Let me see if I get it.

Everyone should propose something to further develop Hive, but even people who never done anything Hive-related before can submit their previous experience. If they have Hive experience, even better.

Is that it?

Correct. If we have an external developer who is known with various Github repositories, for example, can still apply and should their "past reputation" be valid, they might get chosen. They will then have to contribute to Hive in one way or another (contributing to core Hive apps like Hivemind, HAF etc. or creating a new dApp etc.)

Got it! Thanks for confirming

Smart and sharp, you've got my vote.

Your open source developers should qualify for free github copilot! I get it entirely for free for my Gridcoin/Bitshares contributions, so considering hive projects are also open source on github the devs should qualify (at least the largest contributors).

To be honest, github copilot is utter crap compared to Claude Code (although copilot seems nice until you use something better). This is not speculation: I and many of my devs experimented with both. For a long time they were using Copilot because it was so cheap and we didn't know any better, but once we switched, it didn't take long for everyone to see how much better Claude Code is.

You can use several claude models via copilot, or do you mean the tooling rather than the models themselves? If it's the later then fair enough.. I get on well with copilot chat in vscode using a mix of different models.

Yes, it is entirely a function of the tooling that makes Claude Code awesome compared to vscode.

Thank you for great project ... i think its the best project for hope to the future.

Hive ecosystem will grow

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My application: https://peakd.com/hive/@rishi556/dhf-funded-claude-application

My application to the program:

https://peakd.com/hive/@mateodm03/application-for-the-dhf-funded-claude-mateodm03

This would be life changing!!! Submitting application : https://peakd.com/hive/@sn0n/dhf-claude-application

Does this program start soon? Some people I know are very excited for it :D

Me and @shiftrox are currently working on Horizon Forge (@horizon-forge), an auto-battler strategy game built on Hive, and this pilot program is exactly what we need to scale our development.

We are currently in the middle of a massive refactor to transform the game into a deep RPG ecosystem. In the last few days alone, using AI assistance, we've implemented:

• A new 72-point RPG attribute system (STR, DEX, CON, INT, WIS, CHA) for all heroes.
• A complete Gear and Inventory UI with sliding tabs and dynamic stats.
• A procedural item engine (Chaos Motor) that uses AI to generate unique names and lore for drops.

The next phase involves heavy database migration and complex combat logic (d20 system and proportional penalties). Having a Claude Code subscription would be a massive force multiplier for us to reach our MVP faster and deliver a high-quality product to the Hive community.

I'll be preparing a full application post shortly with our GitHub links and progress shots. Thanks for pushing this forward.

We're focused and really excited about everything we can add to the game! Thanks for making this happen, Edu

https://peakd.com/@vempromundo/application-for-hive-dev-fund-ai-pilot-scaling-the-horizon-forge-rpg-ecosystem