So I just noticed that one of my Posts was Downvote by this account @GrumpyCat because According to it my post was and I quoted "Trash" and I use Voting Bots, something that ALL Top Steemit Authors use.
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My Posts was about a video which I share on my Youtube channel with over 12,500 subscribers. Content on the video is in Spanish which is my main language:
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Do trash gets over 6K views and almost 200 likes in Youtube?, No Stupid Grumpy Cat, it doesnt. Our videos are Top quality stuff and we are one of the biggest Youtubers in the Spanish market for cryptocurrency content. This GrumpyDonkey probably doesn't even know Spanish and yet he call my content "Trash".
So I went to see one article made by this GrumpyCat person because heck if he is downvoting people based on quality of their content he must be doing God's work with his account:
https://steemit.com/steem/@grumpycat/sample-of-nothing-at-stake-peoples-empowered-on-6th-day-by-voting-bots
But nope, he is using his account to post stupid shit, low quality shit to be honest, and upvote himself with other Whales accounts. Funny thing is that he is using Bid Bots too
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This is not the first time that a Steemit old time use his power to shit on others. This is not the first time in which I said that Steemit is pretty Centralized.
Flags/Downvotes you be something which is approved by other users before they have any effect on Posts. Otherwise this is something that will keep happening over and over again. I got downvote just because they person can do so?, Because according to him/her my posts was Trash?
Now I will be using Voting Bots on this posts as well and see if the @GrumpyCat idiot downvote it as well. Steemit really need to change things around. I've invested over $100,000USD in Steem to use as Steem Power. I don't have time to be dealing with stupid idiots that want to play Internet/Steemit police. If steemit is a "Decentralized" platform we should be able to posts any type of content, as long as it doesnt break any laws, without having to worry about ignorant assholes like @GrumpyCat
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I think it's totally ok to send 100SBD to a vote-bot if you can afford to do so.
But you are wrong with your understanding of them!
The round-based votebots like booster vote every hour - And everyone participating gets their share of 100% according to the amout of % they contributed to the pool.
So if there is a total of 200SBD sent withing 2.4hrs and you sent 100SBD of it, you will get a 50% upvote.
In extrem cases of server issues, users have gotten 100$ upvotes for 1SBD.
So technically you are of course destroying the ROI for other users by sending such large sums after them.
But since I don't see boosters as a tool to get a good ROI but rather as a tool to advertise your post, I think sending large sums is fine too.
What's the point. He clearly doesn't understand the total vote value and doesn't care about fucking everyone else over. The rich will be richer, to beg for them to change is stupid.
If a single vote value is $100, and you bid $100, then most of the vote goes to you. The math it does is summing all the bids sent in and calculate percentage of each bid over the sum. You're right when you said high bid like that will kill smaller bids as he can afford to eat the loss, but a guy who saved up 1SBD or less will struggle to earn 1SBD or less again. Bid bots do not guarantee profitable upvote because it is a bidding process, checking tracker would show so many negative ROI. The bulk of those upvote belongs to him because he has the biggest percentage whatever the ROI is.
The biggest upvote bots have $1k-2k upvote values, sending in $100 SBD at $6-$7 per SBD = spending $600-$700 per upvote bot per post. So with the screenshot above, he effectively spent about $5000 just for upvote alone.
I wouldn't bother tell him to change, let them fight. We lay back, have a drink, make some wagers, eh?
Lmao. Ok, bud. Keep doing what you're doing. So now you're proving me wrong by saying bots are not $100 value? Lolololol. It's an example, I use $100 as an easy number to understand. You want real actual number? Here it is:
@buildawhale: vote value is $715.51. The current SBD price at this moment is $5.811/SBD. If you sent in 100 SBD, that's $581.1. Given that it is UNLIKELY anyone else can spend that much on a bid, you own the most of the vote. If the combined value of all other bidders is less than $581.1, you own more than 50% of the vote. Clear enough?
Assuming you own exactly 50% of the vote, that means you spend $581.1 to get a vote of $357.755 which is a LOSS. Everybody else in the same bid period also get the same percentage loss.
So yea, I'm right on both and I'm even more right on something.
Ps: There's a difference between vote value and SBD. Vote value is in USD.
No lo es. De lo que mandas al bot:
-Tu solamente obtienes de regreso en SD el 37% (El resto se va a tu power y a pagar a los que te votaron)
-De la mitad que se va a tu power, no se te aumenta en SD sino en el equivalente en USD. Quiere decir que es MENOS cantidad. Si te dieron 150 SD, entonces de ahi van 75 a power, pero son 75 USD. Eso te daría unos 15 o 20 en power, solamente. No 75.
-Lo que te dieron los bots al principio tiende a BAJAR con el transcurso de los días. Si obtuviste 150 en el día 1, verás 148 el día 2, 145 el día 3... hasta el día 7.
-Al final, con suerte, recuperas lo que invertiste (o perdiste un poco), obtuviste un poco de poder, y tal vez ganaste visibilidad, si invertiste MUCHO y llegaste al trending.
A menos, claro, que le caigas mal a una ballena y antes te ponga un downvote que te quite todo y te mande al carajo.
Y fin.
I don't understand Grumpy Cat's initiative either. I attempted to gather an explanation from him directly a week ago via the following response to one of his posts, but I did not hear back from him.
If as a whale he is concerned about abuse of the reward pool, that is one thing. But to take it upon himself to impose rules that are not even built into the platform itself from the top down contradicts the very foundational understanding of the founders of the steem blockchain when it comes to abuse on Steemit.
Per the Steem White Paper, it plainly says on page 15: "Eliminating 'abuse' is not possible and shouldn't be the goal...All that is necessary is to ensure that abuse isn't so rampant that it undermines the incentive to do real work in support of the community and its currency."
Therefore, the incentive to do real work in support of the community and its currency needs to be instilled from Steemit Inc. The platform allows votes for a period of seven days after posts are published. This seems to be the underlying issue as far as I can tell from Grumpy Cat's point of view. But it is an issue that he should not be taking up via self-policing of individual users or voting services and rather with @ned and the Witnesses.
True on the not really giving away part, but by delegating a portion I lose the same percentage on my upvote, so I DO lose something...and that's why everyone charges Steem or SBD to loan out their SP.
Another point to make: while it's true that delegating only 10 or 100 SP won't really hurt my voting power, it also won't help anyone to be delegated that small of an amount. It's going to require at least a couple thousand SP before you can start making anything curating that's close to worth the time that it'll take to earn it.
Also, I don't have any reason to believe that you're a bad person or won't use the SP in a healthy way, but I have a hard time picking favorites to delegate to. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people here on Steemit that have little SP and would love for me to delegate them some. Why you?
Please don't take this the wrong way, but you're just another person who I've come across here on Steemit that has asked in one way or another to use some of the power I've managed to accumulate to "lift" up their account in some way (either by large upvote or through delegation or what-have-you).
I wish you luck and I may even upvote some of your stuff in the future if it looks like you're giving it real passion, helping you to build up your own SP, but that's as far as my giving goes for now.
I don't know anything about you at all dineroconopcion, and i've only just seen you with this post. I'm impressed with how much effort you've made to interact with the comments though. That's extremely unusual from my experience, and though i've had moments when i thought that things seemed a bit unfair, it seems important to remember that steem without any buyers of steem, wouldn't be paying anyone anything. People who are too unhappy? New things will come out. Perhaps some will be completely fair. But that's obviously not an easy thing to do.
Im personally here to publish a collection of "ideas", that would under non open sourcery rules, by taken to the patent office.
I'm trying to develop connections with intelligent people in a position of having power, and as soon as possible, to start engaging with them in live conversations, trying to figure exactly what it is i can do to make steem and steemit better and stronger.
If they evolve well enough, steem and steemit could both make a stand and continue indefinitely in our world.
If they do no, well, they'll go practically extinct.
Would love to talk sometime, now or when i'm known quantity.
Will record a super short video to introduce myself, and then get back to my work.
@opensourcery.
https://d.tube/#!/v/opensourcery/bvryjbr5
From the guy who has admitted to paying for success on Steemit. I find it hilarious you're bragging about views and subs on Youtube one minute, and then blatantly admit to using vote bots the next. Are any of those views / subs organic? Highly doubtful.
I GUESS you're just mad you've been found out.
As curators of Steemit, and knowing full well people are abusing the system (ie: yourself and others), we have every right to call out bs. In fact, there is no other way to right the ship, otherwise this platform becomes nothing different than twitter or instagram, where the amount you spend - rather the the actual content you produce - is what makes you stand out.
Ever heard of constructive criticism? I think ol' @grumpcat is giving you a little tough love.
Use it to your advantage.
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I will reply in spanish as to make sure that things don't get lost in translation, please forgive mistakes as I almost never write in spanish anymore:
Aunque entiendo 100% lo tedioso y literalmente doloroso que es perder dinero, creo que tambien hay que ser honestos con uno mismo. Mi punto es simplemente que cuando usamos bidbot estamos en verdad jugando un poco al casino, y exactamente como el casino, no seria bueno esperar ganar siempre.
Ahora por el otro lado, me parece que lo que esta siendo esta cuenta(gato bravo) no es de beneficio para la plataforma a largo plazo, sin embargo, tengo la actitud de como yo no tengo millones de dolares invertidos, no tengo tampoco la forma de defenderme en el mismo plano o nivel, y es bueno ser prudente y realista.
Solo decidi responder porque me parece que este segundo post que haz hecho tampoco tiene un beneficio a largo plazo, por lo menos no para tu imagen en Steem, me parece que es tu intencion ser lider del mercado de habla hispana, y eso es fantastico, pero como lo sabemos las cosas que escribimos en este blockchain se quedan para siempre, y pues estas guerras de insultos y de memes no reflejan bien en nadie.
Espero, y lo digo sinceramente que puedas dejar esto en el pasado, y de cierta manera logres celebrar la propaganda que este "problema" te ha traido. Estoy seguro que haz ganado suscriptores en estos ultimos dias gracias a la visibilidad que te ha dado este drama, asi que hay como quien dice un lado bueno en la "tragedia".
Sobre eso de usar bidbots o no, me parece que si queremos ser sinceros, la idea de Steem, o blockchains en general es poder distfrutar de completa libertad, y estas en tu derecho de hacer lo que tu quieras con el dinero que tienes. Que yo, o otro usuario quiera decirte que es lo "etico" es completamente irrelevante.