What does the flat-earth meme represent? A psyop? A demographic that is sensitive to Kolmogorov complexity? There are many other examples of this and it represents a class of phenomena that needs to be studied more closely.

Well, you can go onto ThouTube and watch a video of some flat earth scientists doing exactly that. They got 8 miles across water. The laser barely worked at that distance, but with the laser held down near the ankle, the receiving team saw the laser on the opposite shore.

They are trying other lighting options and larger distances.

The earth is not a ball. There is too much evidence that disproves that theory.
However, the earth is also not a flat disk. Scientists have a lot to explore.

The first evidence that the earth is in fact a ball is because we can clearly observe heavenly bodies A and B, the moon and sun respectively.
Object A is a sphere, It FLOATS IN AIR, and faces us as it spins around, while object b also a sphere, also floats and it rotates around its axis. When object A is in full moon and we are in a specific time and place there will be a lunar eclipse. In today's world you should have no problem watching the sun set on one shore and rise on the other, clearly proving curvature, hiding behind the horizon, all of this through free webcams and traffic and secuity cams, university and all kinds of streaming webcams where you can clearly observe the phenomenon of sunrise and sunset, which like lunar eclipse is not explained through any flat earth model.

Sorry, the flat earth model provides for these facts much better.
Albeit, in both (flat earth & ball earth) there is an adequate theory for how the moon and the sun work.

Speaking of the moon, have you seen the videos where the moon is seen with a scrolling refresh bar?
Like a tube television that loses its synch? It has been filmed multiple times by multiple people in multiple locations. It is just freaky!

From the earth's point of view, the moon does not spin.

And the most freaky thing about the sun are videos taken in extremely dry and cloud free areas. The sun doesn't set, it just gets small and smaller and smaller.

There is some weird stuff going on! A lot more is happening, and it is becoming a hot time for scientists to be alive.

What facts are we talking about, because it means nothing to tell me that there is an adequate theory for how the moon and the sun work. So what that there is a theory, DID I REQUEST A THEORY, HAVE I MADE SUCH A DEMAND OR IMPLIED THAT?

I remarked that by looking at the heavens, like our ancestors and like the numerous people from different cultures have observed, we can infer that we too are a sphere hanging in the air, like the sun and moon, spinning ON IT'S AXIS, just like the sun and moon. You haven't proven anything in that respect, you chose to make wild claims. What irks me is that you could care less to discuss this as you haven't addressed ANY of the numerous questions which you unleashed when you made the statement basically attacking my OBSERVATIONS. You said in no uncertain terms "Sorry, your observations of the universe using your 5 senses aren't good enough, I know better" and here I AM ASKING, YOU, the one who's sorry is a veiled dismissal of my observations, to please, CONSIDER WHAT THE FUCK COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. Maybe this time you won't outright insult my observations and dismiss them without argument or evidence...

You expect an entire theory(s) to be typed in the comments?

No, all I can do is point out the theories exist, and such you can go look at them.

The moon and the sun look like discs. That is all we can say. We assume they are spheres because we have been told they are spheres. We have been told that they are spheres and that the earth is a sphere, by NASA and our science books. I do not believe what NASA and our science books say because I have seen too much evidence to the contrary.

So, if we take your statement about your 5 senses crap (you really only mean one), then the only thing that you can say is that from our perspective they look like a circle. Everything else you have said is based on assumptions. And I do not agree with those assumptions, because I have seen too much evidence to the contrary.

Lunar libration shows clearly that the moon is a sphere. This next bit is common knowledge :Galileo discovered from the movement of sunspots that the Sun rotates on its own axis, and each revolution takes about an earth month. However, because the Sun is fluid not solid, it spins faster at its equator (27 days) than at the poles (35 days).

This is observable, many have observed this, me too. You made the claim that the facts are better explained by your theory but you clearly dismissed my observations with that veiled sorry, have still not addressed ANYTHING I have said, and you conclude that YOU have seen to much evidence to the contrary.

First, please post HERE, all contrary evidence, or your claim is SHIT.
Next, please explain how you came to the conclusion that all of what I had to say was easily dismissable by saying your theory offers a better explanation, when I did just that, I offered the observations of how the sun, the earth and moon works, simplistic but still managed to take the effort to explain the basic concept, but you think it's a pretty high expectation of me to demand what the theory actually says because it's in the comments.
You have claimed that we cannot observe the celestial bodies A and B as spheres but mere CIRCLES, you sir are a laugh.

Again, this is a comment, not a post, or a series of posts.
I intend to post all evidence and theories I have. It will probably take me more than a year.

I will do this because I would like everyone to know there are alternate theories that explain everything better than what we have shoved down our throats in schools.

I will not do this for you @baah. You have already denigrated to calling me names and using profanity. And basically all I have done is say, I do not agree with you or the science books, and I suggest you look into the other theories that are out there.

Trying to argue with you in the comments thread appears pointless, as you have already gone to the point of frothing at the mouth. Be well.

So you still claim that we cannot observe that BOTH OBJECT A AND OBJECT B are spheres? I provided proof of this knowledge being common, and you claim its a FUCKING THEORY, GTFO.

You said that the flat earth theory explains the facts better.
You failed to show that.
I asked for the theory, for the context of what FACTS you are talking about and you disregarded that. In the next sentence after commenting that the flat earth theory explains it much better you invalidated that statement complety by saying that they both do adequate job. Which is it, is the flat earth better than round earth, or are both theories adequate?
I have asked you specific question, and have provided specific proof, you haven't been exact or specific in anything, unless you wish to point that in fact you did catch me insulting you, GREAT, your word is a picture of your character, as is mine, you look like shit because you spread your facts, your DISAGREEMENTS as if they are factual. I on the other hand HAVE ASKED: SO THE FUCK WHAT, nobody is fooled by your empty placating sorry, what facts, what theory, explain yourself.

All of the objects and stars we see In the sky, could be replicated In an artificial system with a dome firmament, so they could be part of a highly advanced projection. Also the Sun and Moon could be real and we are on a flat earth with a dome firmament, floating In space, possibly even attached to another planet. The flat Earth dome could also be at the bottom of an ocean on another planet. Two questions need answering to prove the globe. 1. When you zoom In with very high powered camera there Is no observable curvature, the horizon always rises to eye level, when you go up In a balloon you don't have to look down to see the horizon like you would expect. 2. We are told there Is 8 Inches of curvature per mile squared, when this Is measured you are able to see things that should be hidden by the curvature. Why I am not absolutely certain what the answers are, I'm certain we are being lied to, and NASA Is a big part of this Illusion that Is being done against us.

>All of the objects and stars we see In the sky, could be replicated In an artificial system with a dome firmament, so they could be part of a highly advanced projection.

Prove it, o yes there is no way to prove that.

>Also the Sun and Moon could be real and we are on a flat earth with a dome firmament,

Flat earth
>floating In space, possibly even attached to another planet

Flat Earth on the face of a planet
>The flat Earth dome could also be at the bottom of an ocean on another planet.

Flat earth on the wet face of a planet

Flat earth piggy backing onto a real earth. One question remains throughout all these premises, why don't we float away?

Your "two" questions
> 1. When you zoom In with very high powered camera there Is no observable curvature, the horizon always rises to eye level,

A statement, not a question, and what is odd about zooming into the horizon and observing MORE HORIZON (horizonTAL), you expect the horizon to curve! and to my surprise the horizon moves UP from my perspective the more I zoom in?! Zooming in doesn't change the level of the horizon, nor will it make the horizon Curve, can you please put a picture of what you think the horizon would look like, and in the process explain why the sun doesn't rise at the same time all over the world, if we are living on a flat plane, and explain HORIZON to begin with on a flat plane where you could register the end of the plane from the highest peek, and yet no such pictures, let alone from a balloon.

>when you go up In a balloon you don't have to look down to see the horizon like you would expect.

When you go up in a balloon you don't have to look down because you went up only a mile, maybe two, if that, and the horizon is usually 150 miles away, so you didn't do much besides see a little over the horizon, to more HORIZON, which resides just marginally lower than before.

>We are told there Is 8 Inches of curvature per mile squared, when this Is measured you are able to see things that should be hidden by the curvature.

It's 8 inches per mile squared is what most objects show although that depends on local topography and the other point, but what's interesting is that you'd think there is a way to hide seeing things for THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF MILES! On a flat earth we would not see ANY curvature, so the very presence of an horizon shows we don't live on a FLAT PLANE.

The globe Isn't proven neither Is the flat Earth.

"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments and they wonder off through equation after equation and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."
Nikola Tesla

We live an electric Universe, we've been lied to.

What you believe to be true, Is It true? Or do you just believe that It Is true, because you were taught that It Is true and never looked any further?

The globe isn't proven, neither is the flat earth?
And what gave you that idea?

Today's scientists? A overreaching generalization has no place in specifics or science, shame on your Tesla, you have no realation to reality yourself if you believe that "Today's scientists" is something substantial to point a finger at. As the great Samuel Clemens so eloquently observed: All generalizations are false, including this one.

We live IN* an electric Universe, we've been lied to.

I provided plenty of reasons why it's a globe and not flat, you said to all that "the glove isn't proven". You're a liar, you're no critical thinker, you are about as easy to stop in your tracks as any little kid who's telling a story everyone knows it's not true, butI have no sympathy for you.

What I believe to be true?
I don't base my truth on belief, my truth rests in observation and inquiry itself, not in "do you just believe that it is true because you heard about the Paperclip Project and now what civilizations have recognized for ever, or that we live on a globe, is false because they like to lie to us about such things"

I have flown across the world, I have seen the earth from an airplane, it is indeed a globe, otherwise there would not be a constant HORIZON.

You keep telling us that we are being lied to about this stuff, great. And what is the proof that your theory is reality? Where is the proof that they are lying in other words? Where is the proof that they are doing this to us?
Granted that there are NUMEROUS things that cannot be explained if we have never left our PLANE, like the numerous satellite imagery of our planet and of other planets, the numerous pictures that were gathered in Project Clementine of the moon, the numerous pictures of the solar system, of galaxies and the numerous visible satelites that can be observed with a high powered telescope. The scope of this NASA has lied to us, is evident IN EVERY CULTURE BEFORE US THAT REGARDED US ON A PLANET WITH PLANETS AROUND US AND MOONS AROUND THEM, they were all in on the same lie, there are no countries right now that the consensus is for something OTHER than the globe, and NASA's scope of keeping this lie would have to be that impossibly large, because at once we remove all probability of such a complete lie, not just because there is no PURPOSE (WHY), or METHOD (HOW) for it, but because there is no evidence of it PERIOD.

SO, besides this truth being so crucial to science(knowledge) and at the same time inconsequential to everyday people (wisdom), both of which are destroying any viability of a reason for obscuring this truth, science would recognize such a lie in a heartbeat, no way to hide self evident from THE most curious and clever creature, while speaking generalities, regardless of the author, counter to common sense of everyday people which rely on navigation by stars, the numerous people working in aviation and those involved in space exploration and all the enthusiasts and the amateurs alike and finally everyday people faced with the observable SHADOW OF THE EARTH during a lunar eclipse, is like pissing in the wind, don't do it, regardless of how you might reason you're gonna sound cool, counter culture, insightful, OR intelligent because you didn't take the time to give my comment even cursory consideration but trying to raise questions without any regard to common sense as my comment should offer, as the commentary before it, 5 months ago, plenty of reason to consider that I didn't simply BELIEVE it to be true, a clever way of attacking my character because now I'm a believer in state education and as the great JC would say, I don't know any better, I don't need your fake pity, but your respect doesn't seem to extend to me, because you don't respect me more than a BELIEVER WHO NEVER LOOKED ANY FURTHER.

I will make this a series now, copying your commentary and propelling this topic to receiving even more attention because frankly it deserves it, and I think I need to focus on you, and your doomsday and believer nonsense that is pushed throughout your blog, while you are questioning my truth because I am a believer who didn't look any further, nothing more proper to exposing you, fuck me if you even considered to answer the first time when I said Why are you spamming by posting the same post while your other post is still in the pay window and it was quite popular IMO, by telling me that "we are at war" excusing all kinds of behavior for millennia, but in this instance very inexcusable, and now your bullshit "you're just a believer" no consideration for what I wrote, is actually evidence of your own COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, you though have warped it into "how can you know anything to be true" coated under "all scientists are wrong besides nikola tesla" propped up by "we've been lied to before, why wouldn't they lie about such thing also, besides making them about as laughable as a flat earth purporting enthusiast, as there are no "professionals" or "scientists". But I doubt it's cognitive dissonance, just simple good ol' fashioned Propaganda.

Propaganda mouthpiece, and while the abusers and their abuses are known and documented and continue, they do love to divide and distort, they love to disrupt and spread falsity, and their confusion is sometimes intentional, like you are doing, calmly and respectfully telling me that I am just a believer, and scientists everywhere are substitutes of scientists, without offering even ONE word specific to anything I have wrote. You are an inconsiderate propaganda mouthpiece, article after article is "they lied to us" in nature, except you don't conclude with that, you conclude usually with "the lizard people are evil, and all powerful" "the lizard people are the devil" "the lizard people own us", see the pattern, you offer absolutely nothing substantial for evidence OR argumentation, and SPAM, and not once do you sell any kind of hope of justice.

I see your war, your war is rooted in division and inversion, I offer reasonable and sound explanations to the phenomena you claim are obtuse, and you didn't even address one specific acute observation, instead you denounced me as being a dumb believer who doesn't question his ROUND earth view, unlike your nokola tesla enriched ROUND FLAT EARTH view where scientists are nothing but substitutes for REAL scientists.

See my article on United States government Is a privately owned company, It's a Corporation. You are part of the problem. Their Is no doubt that the Vatican and Rothschild's Freemasons are controlling everything, this was obvious In the latest false flag on the 22nd May. It's not even debatable at this point and your disinformation attack Is proof you are not Interested In the Truth just covering for the Darkness, you are on their side. We are pure Consciousness, we are the Light, we will win.

>See my article on United States government Is a privately owned company, It's a Corporation.

What does this have to do with flat earth. Inconsequential and irrelevant.

>You are part of the problem.

Which problem would that be, and how and why am I part of it.

> Their Is no doubt that the Vatican and Rothschild's Freemasons are controlling everything, this was obvious In the latest false flag on the 22nd May.

Are they controlling the internet, and steem? Are they controlling or fighting for control?

>It's not even debatable at this point and your disinformation attack Is proof you are not Interested In the Truth just covering for the Darkness, you are on their side. We are pure Consciousness, we are the Light, we will win.

Us and them mentality, it is obvius you aren't interested in discussing ideas and details, in expounding on observations and explanations, besides labeling me a non believer and calling my questions and logic disinformation attack. What am I covering for the darkness, and how, also how and why am I on their side.

I looked for videos, some for 4 miles, I found none for 8 . The flaw in it is that they are standing up on the shore on both the transmitting and observing post. The additional height accounts for the discrepancy they observe. The test case they chose was marginal to begin with. It should be dry air, at night to minimize some complicating atmospheric effects. There aren't any good reasons to use such a marginal distance either. Lighthouses are very low power combined with a Fresnal lens and can be seen for 40-50 miles. No excuse. I think this should be considered conclusively debunked until and unless an experiment of this class is conducted and verified. Clearly we aren't dealing with a group of people who are well versed in science or the combined manhours spent watching and producing videos (probably in the millions) would have resulted in some proponent spending a day to conduct an experiment that can be taken seriously. It's not rocket science after all.

Sorry that the people with a small budget and only free time are not doing it for you. Please go show them how it is done.

40-50 miles equals about 1500 feet of drop along the supposed curvature. I don't know any light house that is place 1500 feet above sea level. So, if your numbers are correct, then the conclusion is we live on an earth where the radius is much larger, or its concave, or its flat or we don't know how light travels.

Dr. Zack shows flat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhDFO4NMrw
and
Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km shows ball https://steemit.com/flatearth/@lasseehlers/ok-i-am-back-with-the-globe-theory

Something about Zoom.