I got curious and had a quick check online - it looks like people realised Kokesh was a scam artist at least six years ago - I'm amazed people on Steemit cut him so much slack.

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/kokesh-released-from-jail-calls-for-march-on-50-state-capitals

Nice T-shirt!

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Thank you for sharing the details behind the "Kokesh boycott" from anarchopolco. A no-brainer choice on Jeff's part.
I just have one issue with all of this, and that is that I don't see the evidence that Ben, never mind Adam, ever hired anybody.
The evidence only proves that Ben was thinking about using this tactic.
In this video, you say that Adam, or the campaign, "hired" someone and at the end you say they "tried to hire" someone. There is a big difference in those two allegations.
I have tried to express my concerns with Graham, but he just calls me names and then downvotes me so that my comments get hidden.
Some of my live friends listen to what I have to say because I tell them where I see proof and where speculation is used. But here I would have to speculate to say that Adam is in the wrong. In my personal judgement I tend to agree with Graham's and your assessments, but only thru speculation. I have seen the screenshot and Patrick's video, and there is strong proof that the conversation in the screenshot actaully happened, but still I do not see any evidence that they actually hired some one.
I have been following this story since the beginning, and the plot only thickens, maybe I missed it, but I have yet to see the smoking gun that pins Ben or Adam to having moved forward with this aggressive plot. Thinking about doing something and actually doing it are two different things, I am sure you would agree, Again it could be true that he hired someone but one has to speculate, which I try to avoid whenever possible, especially when I share a story with others.
Can you point me to the evidence that would eliminate speculations about at least haven actually hired someone?
And please don't downvote me just because I am asking about and looking for more evidence.
Thank you for understanding and for all of what you have done to enlighten many of us.

The screen shots SHOW Ben hiring him, and checking up on things, and SHOWS the hacker beginning to do work on it, recon and research. The hacker then figured out they were going after someone whose only sin way expressing his opinions--however loudly and caustically. If, by analogy, a hitman decides not to follow through on killing someone, that doesn't make it okay that someone hired him to do it.

I see what you are saying. I will look at Patrick's video again while keeping this in mind. Thank you.

@jayem seems to be another Branch Kokeshian apologist. Following me around like fish excrement telling me I’m blowing things out of proportion. Am used to this sort of thing by now, but funny to see this character suddenly become logical and civil, when there’s some social capital at stake.

I was always being logical and civil. I am just trying to get to the bottom of this. No ill will towards you or Kokesh, Trying to be unbiased and most importantly, not speculate.
I have reviewed Patrick's video and gathering my thoughts on what I saw. See my comment above, a bit later than this.

Here is @jayem, “always being logical and civil”:

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-GS

Thank you for bringing this up.
Yes, there is good logic to the points that I was making there and I could have elaborated more on this, but since Graham was downvoting me, I felt I was wasting my time, At one point I had asked him if he wanted me to continue with a point that did not add up on Graham's side, but was treated with insults and downvotes.

jayem, I gotta say, right now you don't look at all like you are trying to get to the bottom of anything. You look like you are trying to spin, obfuscate and confuse things, to make them look less bad for the Branch Kokeshians.

I was trying to make a point about an inconsistency that I was seeing, in the limited platform that Graham was giving me by downvoting and having limited RC. So being frustrated I elected to put together an opinion based on what I was seeing.
Not one of my best comments. But there is a point in my opinion that Graham was an irresponsible parent based on what he wanted me to believe. Thanks for the dialog.
BTW this is posted late because I had to wait for my RC to replenish, adding to my frustration.

I was the one who made the decision to not follow through. After I investigated Graham and compiled his data ( superficial data you seen in the screenshots), I began to think of the repercussions of turning over this data to Ben. I concluded that Graham’s actions didnt warrant the outcomes of Ben’s intentions and my services were not completely rendered as a result. I then decided not to pursue any further data mining on Graham and instead chose to expose Ben's operation to Graham so he would be able to take precautions. This is my second time explaining this to you. Either you’re pretending to be obtuse for nefarious investigative reasons or you’re just plain stupid. I would suggest that people refrain from giving you any information from this point on.

Wow thanks for the name calling. I was just trying to get to the bottom of these claims that Graham was putting out there. You did not have to explain your position the second time, I understood it the first time, All I was asking is if you (the one that stopped it) were also the one that was supposed to execute the operation. Small insignificant detail that I was just wondering about. Like I said in another comment, I stand corrected because I saw some evidence the second time that I looked at Patrick's video that showed that an investigation most likely started, and that is something that the Kokesh team needs to explain. I don't know why everyone thinks I have nefarious intentions. As I stated above I became frustrated at one point because people reacted negatively just because I felt that I did not have enough proof. Either way I do not need more information thanks, I am now siding with Graham, and will announce it again next time he comments on the next Kokesh post. The least I can do. I would appreciate, but do not need, a comment on my corrective statement below.

I encourage everyone reading to go to this individual’s profile, and see his comments before he (or she) was flagged. Another weirdo who attacks victims, then cries “poor me” when rebuked, and whose blathering inanity is not worth a second of your time. I don’t address them anymore for this reason.

You are just a negative person I guess. Here I am finally seeing your side of the story and you are still jumping on me. I guess you still do not understand what I was trying to say in any of my comments. Whatever! Peace!

@larkenrose I gotta say that that with every comment you make regarding ths matter you look more and more like just another dirty scumbag politician.
Sure the video you show of Adam makes him look like a complete dick head. And i must admit that you play that political game far better than Adam will ever be able play it. But I dont believe that is such a smart thing for you to be doing

Anyone can create and deepen divisions, its why the world is so fucked up.

Before today I have seen Partrick's video once and after maybe a month saw Marcus' video once.
And I would have to disagree with Marcus, Patrick's video was very well done in providing evidence without much, if any, conjection. He had some comment at the end that was his right and dty to say about his position on all of this.
Anyway, I came out of that with a conclsion that all that Ben did was to think about doing harm.

Upon seeing the video a second time with a more critical eye, I have to admit that there is evidence of more there than just thinking about it but at least the start an investigation when Ben said this;
"Alright, What do you need from me?"
So, I stand corrected, this is significant.. In my opinion, this is more than just casualy thinking of a bad deed, this is actaully moving in the direction a bad deed.
And one can assume that money probably changed hands. No one is going to start investigating without at least a downpaytment.
However, I do not see proof that it went beyond an investigation.
One could speclate that it did not go beyond this because of what infosec says when he/she submitted the list of bad deeds.
"Our goals would have been to cause you (harm)..."
Instead of this.
"Our goals was to cause you (harm)..."
Remember in the screenshot infosec says something in the effect that first they investigate then they figure ot a plan.
Anyway, just speclation here. Plausible denyablity! Something politicians like to have on their side.
Marcus, I know you have been following these comments from me. Can you explain the "Alright, What do you need from me?" statement? We would all rather hear from Adam on this but I'll take whatever you got to offer.
Anyway so there it is. I appreciate any constructive, negative or positive, comments.

I like some the work you do.

However you are the one who looks like a thug to me!
you have failed to demonstrate any valid reason for your long long term hostility toward Adam.
I would really like to understand what is behind the beef you have him. but I am sure you are incapable of being transparent about that.

How is your big project shaping up ? is it ready to release to the general public yet?

Thanks for weighing in from the ever-conspicuous Branch Kokeshian camp. You'll have to try a bit harder to pretend to be objective and honest, if you want to dupe anyone into ignoring what they can see with their own eyes.

''You'll have to try a bit harder to pretend to be objective and honest''

that was the underlying message to you, so if the cap fits......

you are nether objective or honest with your attacks.

and as or you wanting to avoid 'Drama'
you get 10 out of 10 for that bit of pure bullshit lol

Your whole approach is reliant on creating drama and being aggressive with it.

@joe.public thug
/THəɡ/Submit
noun
1.
a violent person, especially a criminal.
synonyms: ruffian, hooligan, vandal, hoodlum, gangster, villain, criminal

Yep Violent seems to sum it up adequately.

ah regarding lies and hysteria,
anyone with a functioning brain listening to your ongoing attacks on Adam will already agree that you don't ever make a valid argument against him.
its more likely that you attack him to get your own name out there.

lol. Right. Larken needs attention. Nobody in these circles knows who he is.

I would have thought that they have about the same level of visibility, which is fuck all

But what does that have to do with anything?

He can't even remember his own lame attempts from a few hours ago.

hey larken its about time you grew up and started to live up to the ideals you claim to promote.

where does all your aggression come from anyway, did Adam not show you the respect you felt you needed ? o dear

I must admit, any respect I had for you has evaporated after your aggressive drama queen antics

"I used to respect you but now..."

That fake-ass ploy has long since been worn out. And in this context, anyone with half a brain can see through what you are doing. It is not at all genuine, not at all honest, not at all real--just like the thug you're trying to cover for. Give it up.

I imagine you like most other people will continue to believe whatever flits through your mind at the time.

Some will recognize reality for what it is.
Ether way it makes not one jot of difference to me.

I have a serious question for you.

What positive attributes do you see in Adam?

I see some of yours, but this character assassination kick you are on is not one of them.

Hard not to laugh here. Which one of you is this? Marcus? Michael? Cody? That other dude whose name escapes me, who is Kokesh’s current campaign manager...?

You mean me? No I am not him. ;o)
I can understand why you and Larken are fed up with the non believers. One needs to pay good attention to the evidence and the details. The story is a bit involved. It is not easy to have a calm two way conversation on Steemit. I would ask both of you to be more patient if you want more people to believe your side. And to Joe Public, there is evidence, in my opinion, that at least Ben intended to violate the NAP, as explained in another comment of mine in this post.

hey @jayem thanks for your sane reply : )

'' there is evidence, in my opinion, that at least Ben intended to violate the NAP''

well there seems to be evidence. I would find it just about impossible to trust anyone who says ''I kept quiet for three months because I did not want to create any drama''
Seems more likely that he was just waiting for an opportunity to fuck things up for Adam even more.

You and I have been flagged, is that not in violation of the non aggression principal?
From my perspective it most certainly is.

Thanks for the response.
I have to disagree with you on Larken, I know that he does not like Adam and I imagine that these two have been at it in Archopolco. With Larken's email message evidence I really think he was trying to keep it under the radar. But if Adam is twisting the story, which is what Larken's evidence is showing, I can understand why Larken would come out with this video only after Adam's alleged deception to keep Jeff from having to defend his decision. It is consistent with what I perceive Larken's character to be. You can see this as well in the other video from Larken that kafkanarchy84 keeps refering to in comments on recent Kokesh's posts. I imagine that you have been following those as well.
Larken says it like it is, which is why it is good for him to sometimes avoid saying it like it is, and other times to come out and say it like it is.
With the perceived threat from Ben and likely in association Adam towards kafkanarchy84 and possibly Larken one would have to understand the emotional outrage from both kafkanarchy84 and Larken.
In my opinion the one who is " just waiting for an opportunity to fuck things up for Adam even more", is someone else.
NAP in theory is a great idea but in reality there will always be aggression. You just have to do the best you can to avoid being the aggressor yourself as much as possible.
I am staying tuned, this story is getting interesting.

>You and I have been flagged, is that not in violation of the non aggression principal?

Is downvoting on youtube a violation of the non aggression principle?
Is leaving a bad review on a book because you didn't like it, a violation of the non aggression principle?
Is removing a comment on a website that you own, a violation of the non aggression principle?

The original question you pose was a question which I asked.
The other questions are interesting, however I fail to see any relevance to this situation because there is none. We are on Steemit and as such any unjustifiable attack can only be seen as a violation of the principal that he claims to uphold on this very post.

He could have engaged like a human being would or just ignore the question if he felt unduly triggered. But he chose to commit a violent act, first because I dared to challenge him and today because because I asked if Adam would be going.

My original comment was completely genuine, he chose to believe his own set random thoughts based on nothing but his own pure fantasy.

I see it not as a violation of the non aggression principle.

Someone not talking to you in the way you want is not a violation.
For if the NAP was violated it would justify you using force to defend yourself.
And someone saying a bunch of words or flagging, does not justify that.

Example
If someone would say to me, I hate you or you are an ...... (fill in the blanks), not talking PC enough, or flagging me for whatever reason, he or she is not violating me or the non aggression principle.
Politeness has nothing to do with it. That is not what it's about.

I'm not addressing thoughts or what someone said to someone else, in this reply I'm just addressing the NAP and what it means and what not.
Hope you understand.

''Someone not talking to you in the way you want is not a violation.''

Flagging a person is not talking to them. It is using blunt force to silence people.

Encouraging people to view other groups of people as stupid idiots is not a strategy that will help anyone overcome the decades of social conditioning they have been subjected to.
We need to challenge these aggressive actions (that is what they are) if we are to win our freedom collectively.

Verbal abuse will reinforce the social conditioning. we need leaders who are capable of first understanding how that social conditioning is installed and demonstrate how to connect with those people and turn them around.

If we are unable to challenge the actions of others or if we are so sensitive that we are unable to bear being challenged, how can we grow?

I really appreciate your reply.

A genuine question.
Do you believe in hate speech? And would you justify leaders (what I call rulers) or groups to use violence to make people not talk in a certain way ,flag or express their opinion in a certain way?

>Flagging a person is not talking to them. It is using blunt force to silence people.

Maybe you feel that way but you are not silenced. I can and do read flagged reply's ;)

You or I can of course always challenge or discuss others in their language use the power of disassociation and excommunication ourselves of someone we don't want to talk to. If enough people feel that way about language, it will happen.........just like that.
But I can not force someone with violence to be tolerant or nice to me that would not be tolerant of me. The NAP is about physical force. Not verbal, for if it was, the way someone feels about words would justify physical force. I believe in freedom of speech and with that of course freedom of association to boycott or disassociate.

I don't need or want a (religious) leader. (I don't believe in the "great man theory") You are of course free to pick a leader for yourself who will preach or teach, to people how they are suppose live according to you or him/her. Just like a Jehova witness can tell people they are suppose to live a certain way for everything to be like they want (heaven), but they can not force me to live that way.

I believe we grow just by living and talking or not talking, saying dumb things, seeing others saying dumb things, and we need that freedom to make mistakes and do dumb things.
Freedom, for me, is not an objective to be gained through this or that ideology (or collectively) in the future.
It is now and here within me, and what I DO in the physical world and in my relationships (in reality) is more important than an ideology or a plan (what I SAY) and how everyone else needs to listen to me or the thought leader I want them to follow to make the world how I want it to be.

I'm a bit busy and replying in between, and my native language is not english so maybe some words might be not completely correct or I said something twice or so. ;)

Thanks for the reply.
Peace :)

''Maybe you feel that way but you are not silenced. I can and do read flagged reply's ;)''

Yes I like to read flagged comments and posts as well.
I notice that when a person has been flagged a number of times by the same person or group that the people being flagged can experience it as a form of violence. Some become extraordinarily distressed.

''Do you believe in hate speech? And would you justify leaders (what I call rulers) or groups to use violence to make people not talk in a certain way ,flag or express their opinion in a certain way?''

I am glad you prefaced that question with "A genuine question'' without it, I probably would not have even read the rest of your comment.

No

Assuming the goal is Anarchy, we may realize that we need to do a ton of educating. If we want to educate people, alienating them, telling them what a bunch of fuckwits they are and how retarded and stupid they are, is more than likely counter productive to our goal. Likewise when we see another like minded person doing things that seem likely to be counterproductive to the goal, spending months setting them up to discredit them is going to be counter productive o the goal. It seems the best thing to do is to connect with people we have issues with, understand them and find common ground. its the only way we will find freedom. Playing the same game as the people who run this world (being divide and rule by creating in groups and out groups) will be disastrous for everyone.

Group mentality is not a good thing, and being aware to not become part of one and following all it's dogma's is a good thing too i.m.o.

I try to look at one individual at the time, and what that person does.
So even "the group of people that run the world" is not to be hated as a whole, by the people of "the other (opposite) group".
That would be the divide and conquer game all over again. (making a boogie man and a great man)
It's better (for me as an individual), to discover who is doing good deeds and who is pretending to do good deeds, one individual at the time and call out the ones who try to rule me or someone else, through their deeds.

Hey thanks for the conversation.
Peace.

hey @kafkanarchy84 I had a good laugh at this comment from you. I was not going to point it out to you but as you are being so fucking childish, I thought I should share.

Your reply just happens to be the perfect illustration of my opening remark to Larken, being:

''I imagine you like most other people will continue to believe whatever flits through your mind at the time.''

God only know what bullshit fantasies were going through that brain of yours lol
And you just go on believing the constant stream of pure garbage that flits through your head without any editing or taking reality into consideration at all.
Your chosen name points to the grandiose regard you hold yourself in : ) its fucking brilliant, i love it.
Just keep powering down there are already enough idiots on this platform without trolls like you

he's me, kafka.

I have been contemplating the political situation we find ourselves in.

Not the situation between you and Adam, but globally.

Very few people in this world are given an accurate picture of the power structures which control the wold we inhabit.

Most of us that are interested, have to figure it out for ourselves.

For me, i like to get a feeling for peoples motives as displayed through their actions. To me at least you are an unknown entity. You strike me as being very combative in your style. And you seem to be reasonably good at it. I find combative people quite difficult to trust, it feels to me that you prefer to dominate and destroy rather than finding common ground and entering into meaningful dialogue.

The average person reading this blog has no clue about the truth or validity of the evidence produced against Adam. It seems to me that the guy has some good qualities that need to be recognized. Yep he can be dick head from time to time, as we all are.

Bragging about being successful in preventing Adam from speaking at that event does not make you look like a guy that can be trusted.

Helping him be less of a dick would be trustworthy. We need all the help we can get if we want to turn this world around.

>Hopefully this will be the last damn video I have to do about this.

I took Adam at his word and gave him the benefit of the doubt until the video came out where he said he was going to run for office in Arizona.

That made everything he's said a lie. Yeah, haven't been able to watch a single video or read a single article about him since.

I believe in liberty, freedom to do as you please so it takes a lot to turn me but lie to me once and that's it. I have zero tolerance for it.

Thank you Larken -

Adam's video adds weight in confirmation of Adam's campaign of betrayal. His attempt at diffusion is as poor as Trump's stated excuse for leaving Syria being "We've defeated ISIS", and I see no more value in Adam than Trump. Misanthropy reads Adam transparently, a glaring misconception of self importance.

Here's to a man named Adam:

SHAI HULUD
Venom Spreader Lyrics

The truly weak spread venom. The truly strong digest it.

Rotting from the inside, this agonized form resembles a man.
Scorn burst from the heart, rancor cracking ribs.
Coating it's recesses in toxins.

Base loathing within the loins seeps malice through its pores.
Ashing tissue, blackened with contempt.
Pestilent, corrosive to the touch
A blight on humanity.

Never must it speak.
Never must it bled.
It mustn't even breathe.

Rather than arming the mind with knowledge and awareness.
It wracks its gut with spite.
Damnable abomination.
A conscious contagion infecting mankind.

Trails of acid trill from addled sockets where tears and vision
Had once soothed and stirred the mind
A mortal ulcer, agent of progressive atrophy
Abetting and defining social regression.

Blie from its gaping maw
Spitting vain and groundless vengeance.
Hate-spawn, bearer of all discord.

Condone its actions or deny its impact and justify the unjustifiable.

Rather than bracing the heart with balance and serenity,
It wracks its gut with spite.
Damnable abomination,
A conscious contagion infecting mankind.

See it quarantined and torched lest every man, woman and child die,
Defiled by a mass spread of venom.

https://youtu.be/CyrRdAWEtt8

Woodchuck Pirate
aka Raymond J Raupers Jr USA
woodchuckpirate.com

I have the evidence that Nathan paid everything owed. I personally accepted the money and put it into the campaign account. He's full of shit.

I didn't know anything about that, so thanks for mentioning it. I can't say it surprises me.

Whether or not there was foul play by Kokesh, this entire situation is exactly why I avoid helping people within the Cryptocurrency/libertarian community.. I'll just stick to those who I can trust instead of certain media influencers. Hell I barely trust Jeff Berwick and The Dollar Vigilante as a matter of fact.

The most support they'll get from me is social media upvotes and retweets. I would never directly fund them with my own money (like a Patreon Patron, or paying subscriber). This includes other influencers like Sargon of Akkad, That Guy T, etc... It really depends but I'm cautious of my own community.

Too much toxicity in the crypto-wildwest.

This is good to see. I like to see people valuing the responsibility of freedom. Thanks, my-man!

As a German Anarchist i dont mind that much. Didnt plan to go to Anarchapulco anyway.

As a Steemian I am pleased to see, that this debate takes place on (and about) Steemit.

The interview didn't happen. Adam never reached back to me after whatever evidence was supposed to come out. Although Adam has helped me over the years there is just too much drama and bad business around him for me to want to continue to associate with him either. I was attempting to do my due diligence as a journalist but the interview never happened. Thanks for speaking up Larken

Thanks for weighing in and clarifying about the (non-existent) interview. Whether he ever intended to do that interview is anyone's guess. It's a classic politician move to talk about "all of the evidence coming out," just hoping people will "reserve judgment" until they FORGET about it, because there never was exculpatory evidence.

Would have been nice to not leave me hanging on that thread asking me if I blackmailed anyone, man. Glad to see people waking up, though, to this con artist. Who was making those assertions, about me, by the way?

Beef im amerikanischen libertäre Lager:

@adamkokesh wirft @jeff.berwick ihm noch 1000$ zu schulden. Außerdem hätte er ihn zu Unrecht von Anarchapulco ausgeladen.

Larken Rose behauptet nun, dass ein Teammitglied von Kokesh Gegner unter Druck gesetzt hat.

Interessant: Die Finanzierung von Kokesh im Jahr 2018 basierte zu großen Teilen aus Einnahmen durch Steem Token.

This has been on my mind quite a bit as I do respect Adam quite a lot for his activism against the state. It may be a case of how the ring of power inevitably can corrupt a person's principles. I still think Adam has a unique ability to speak with Americans to start questioning more about how unnecessary government is. This breakdown does shed more light on this drama that I wasn't aware of.

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Isn't the definition of hypocrisy when someone says they support anarchy while raising money to run for president? There's nothing wrong with calling out statism in anarchic clothing when we see it.

Wow, thanks for the heads up!!

It seems @kalfanarchy83 no longer exists, any ideas about how he has been wiped from the internet? He doesn't show up on google search or duckduckgo search. Nor is He on Discord, I used to be in contact with both Adam and Grahm. What is happening. He isn't on busy.org either.

Nevermind, found him its kafkanarchy84, not 83.