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For a long time the community was part of a curation initiative that allowed us to nominate good posts to receive higher rewards, this lasted several years. During this time, we all worked day and night to get people's posts seen and curated. As part of this initiative, the community account @moviesonhive was not allowed to directly profit from the work we did. This was an agreement based on fairness. A result of this, however, was that once the support came to an end, our community account had very little Hive Power to curate people. Since Christmas I have been ensuring that all posts from this account are set to have their rewards to 100% HP, and from time to time I allocate my personal account's rewards to the community account to contribute to its growth. Already there has been quite a nice amount of growth in the HP this account holds, and I'm quite proud of how quickly some of it has developed. There are no intentions to power any of this down, nor are there any intentions to change the current 100% rewards structure alongside the current posting habits, as well as future ones to come. I have quite an aggressive stance on building this community account and improving the community curation all around.
That said, as of late I have been noticing some unfortunate circumstances. This is a community in which many of its posters are doing incredibly well at the lucky support of certain large curators. Now, this is a great thing for many, especially given how little HP we have going around to curate the posts in the community, we do want to see people fairly getting rewarded for the great posts they share. Though, if you look at our stats, you can see that we hold a rather decent amount of active users. And in terms of subscribers, this community is one of the largest on Hive. It's quite astonishing how large this space has managed to grow! But the problem remains in the other numbers: interactions and weekly pending rewards. These two are ridiculously low for the size of the community, and there's only so much we can do. A community is meant to mean community efforts, and I'm not really seeing that in many of the people that post here. As a recent example: it came to my attention the other day that one particular poster manages to make between 30$ - 50$ per post in this community, having accumulated a whopping near 30k HP over their time here on Hive, yet their total curation history came to LESS than 100 HP. That means they almost never curate other people's posts. Their excuse? Their HP is low and their vote is worthless. This isn't true, low accounts can curate even with little rewards distributed per vote. It all adds up, especially over time.
Now, this isn't a complaint that people sell off their rewards. We all have lives and things to deal with. Hive can be a great platform that does contribute to the little expenses we all face in our day-to-day lives, and sure enough we all sell off some of the rewards we've accumulated, especially with market cycles where prices are quite attractive to do so. Instead, this is a complaint that the curation is nearly nonexistent. Another poster in the community has accumulated 25k HP in their time on hive, having ONLY distributed 5 HP. Does that sound reasonable to you? It certainly doesn't to me. Now, I'm not sure what the criteria is for those larger curation accounts is for them to pick and choose certain posters to get those hefty votes, but there's a genuine problem here when many of the larger earners are neither commenting, nor voting on anyone in the community or elsewhere on Hive. The whole point of a platform like Hive is that we shouldn't be relying on specific parties to maintain the platform, it should be decentralised down to the curation aspects. Which means people voting people, not relying entirely on whale accounts to curate. One look at the community shows there is a massive reliance on whales here to do the curation, with most people being lucky if they can break a single dollar in curation rewards on a post without that more centralised support.
With this discovery, I am going to be changing how we curate the posts in the community, with a more laser-eye-focused effort on people's curation efforts, not necessarily within just this community, but on Hive itself. If you happen to be one of the lucky ones that gets constant whale support but can't be bothered to upvote a few other people's posts throughout the week, you will no longer get any support from us. And that includes the future as we scale, if I don't see improvements in the curation efforts. Alongside this, some of you may notice a new implementation: member tags. If I stumble across someone that has insanely large historical rewards compared to totally disproportionate curation rewards, then you win yourself a fresh new member tag that helps us keep an eye on you in the community. This tag basically tells us to avoid you. You'll also get a message from our community account informing you that your curation efforts are abysmal and should be improved. If there are improvements over the months, then the tag is removed and the curation from us will continue. The tag also serves as a reminder to those who aren't curating or perhaps event are: do you want to support those who don't take the time to support you?
Sure, this may seem like a rant and a drastic action, but it's one that's necessary. We need to address this problem as a community, because curation is a community effort, not a single party's obligation.
It is a fact that in this community there are many spoiled, as well as preferred by the whales. I have seen them, publish in only one language and don't even answer the comments, they don't interact in the community as such, and within less than an hour of their publication, they already have 30$ made easily.
The truth is that I do not know if I fell into that group you are talking about but since some time ago I have also noticed many changes in here.
Now, my question in this situation is, wouldn't it be better to make a purge of these users? Once done, if they decide to return because they are passionate about writing here, they are required to collaborate through a delegation of Hive Power or become part of the trail.
Or I don't know, you could also modify the rules so that people here post once a week like is done on Vibes.
Maybe my suggestion is more radical, but if you want to tighten the pants to stop the abuse of certain users, it seems to me that it is quite reasonable.
Before I finish, I want to emphasize that I am only giving my opinion, if that is what the post was made for, of course. Greetings! 💕
@namiks | Aug. 14, 2024, 2:29 p.m. | Votes: 0 | [
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> The truth is that I do not know if I fell into that group you are talking about but since some time ago I have also noticed many changes in here.
You don't. You even have a lot of votes throughout the week: 267 votes and 4.43 HP in curation rewards over the past 30 days. Given your account size and historical author rewards, it's not bad at all. Naturally author rewards tend to be higher than curation rewards, but it's when there's a massive difference that is bothering me.
> Now, my question in this situation is, wouldn't it be better to make a purge of these users? Once done, if they decide to return because they are passionate about writing here, they are required to collaborate through a delegation of Hive Power or become part of the trail.
That doesn't sound right to me. I don't think we're in a position to be trying to punish those people in a way that stops them from posting here. That'd be stretching a bit too far with the power I have. I don't want to be doing that. I do want the space to be open to all. And to try to profit from it (even if it does lead to benefiting the community account and improving our curation power) doesn't really solve the problem. Especially if it means the curation remains centralised just on my end. I think the best course of action at the moment is just to not vote them with the community account, and instead tell them their current behaviour isn't really welcome.
> It is a fact that in this community there are many spoiled, as well as preferred by the whales. I have seen them, publish in only one language and don't even answer the comments, they don't interact in the community as such, and within less than an hour of their publication, they already have 30$ made easily.
Good for them for somehow getting that support, whether it's deserved or not is another question entirely as that side of things is subjective. But yeah, some people here are making insane amounts and as you said, just not even bothering to comment, reply, or vote on others. It does bother me when I see someone has made 25k Hive over their duration of time here on Hive, but they've only curated others for an amount of less than 100. That just speaks of people most of the time posting and leaving immediately after.
I don't think people should be forced to hold their rewards, but I do think the people making those significantly larger amounts than others should at least be voting on other people's posts. If they were making 30 - 50 dollars per post AND voting on other people's posts, this post wouldn't exist. And having seen this pattern unfold for too long, I just think it's time to start talking about it publicly. If we all continue down this path, then Hive dies as we rely on whales to curate select few, while everyone else gets nothing and then leaves the platform.
>...but there is a real problem here when many of the top earners do not comment or vote for anyone in the community or anywhere else in Hive.
I remember that when I arrived to HIVE 4 years ago someone recommended me to comment the publications of other users, he told me that it was an excellent way to make community and I have been doing it in fact I have a personal goal of commenting at least three publications within the community in which I will upload my publication, some days due to extreme fatigue it is difficult for me, but I try to do it.
Now, I notice for a while, with concern and amazement that there are people who do not have the delicacy and education to respond to the comment that someone left them, that for me is serious, because I have seen it even in community leaders and others seem to respond only to those who are their friends and the rest of the comments are ignored.
I particularly, I comment and if by chance they do not respond a first time I let it go, but if I visit another publication of the same hivers and it leaves me again without response I never comment again, because it is a lack of education as I mentioned especially if the comment is something that looks took effort and makes you know that they really took the time to read the publication, so I totally agree with what has been raised in the publication.
@namiks | Aug. 15, 2024, 5:19 p.m. | Votes: 1 | [
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> Wow. I wonder why they keep getting big votes
It's genuinely a mystery. It's clear that accounts like appreciator really focus on certain authors. They can post whatever in any community and they'll get the support. Then for others it can be a bit more randomised. There's some structure there but it doesn't quite make sense.
Anyway, it's not really a matter how much others make, it's the fact that some of these accounts are making a stupid amount but contribute nothing to the rest of Hive in the form of engagement. Votes are everything and if the top earners aren't bothering to curate anyone, and the top curators aren't bothering to curate anyone else, then all that's left is death for Hive as people earn mere fractions of a cent and then leave.
We've been seeing this happening for over a year now as communities see less activity. Naturally rewards decrease as the price does, but I've noticed some of the biggest communities are lucky if they're above 200 active users. And very lucky if they're breaking above 1k in pending weekly rewards. The reality is, so few are curating. So people are just not posting so much.
Curators/curation guilds definitely do a great job, there's no doubt about it. But I think we're just constantly pushing into too much reliance on that side of things. Every cent vote counts for something, really.
If there is something easy and gratifying to do in hive is to give likes, this applies to any platform and I think it is positive to encourage that because beyond the monetary value of a like.... each person has a moral value which is linked to give like and thus motivate, encourage, demonstrate appreciation for a content or a content creator for the creations he makes and the effort he puts into them.
What you have raised I hope they don't take it the wrong way and deflect the message because what I read in the post, I see it positive, it is correcting behavior towards something that is right and I agree with it @namiks
If there is something in hive that is a genius is the algorithm concept of the Trail, the person can motivate other creators without even being on the pc, so I understand what you mention because there is no excuse for not releasing the like worth what it is worth.
Hive is currently a platform where I think the vast majority of users are content creators and I think we are waiting for sometime in the future to achieve that portion of the missing pie which is a massive amount of users who consume that content arrives soon (it is the portion that if youtube etc has where they have users who exclusively consume content and nothing else .... and they are voracious and are many in number), I do not know if I'm wrong in that idea but I guess that's why they do all those marketing efforts and whales on the platform and just for the latter is that the content creators who make life in the ecosystem is necessary that we get likes.... because a content creator without likes dies and if the creators perish so does the platform.
While that massive amount of users who only consume content arrives, I think content creators should support us as pillars to not leave all the hard work to the whales when we ourselves can collaborate by giving our bit because in order to continue on this difficult path of creating content, that is achieved with the Buhonitos, blessed and wonderful Likes....
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I for example when my posts are supported only by the Trail of Likes of the community and by my muchachones who are my people, that motivates me to continue because we are on the right track in what I like to do... my beloved reviews 🤗
