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https://twitter.com/onealfa/status/1371837571282698241

Totally agree with you . Gave you a reblog , I personally feel the self-upvotes must be removed completely.

When i was in steemit and early days of Hive I used to do it too until I realized how bad it is for the community .

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There are times they do serve a purpose like when one votes for visibility on something important.

Life if Blockrades did it on some major announcement (although he tends not to need it since he ends up trending anyway).

There are times with comments it can be applicable too.

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Well yeah but that's the purpose of promoting posts right?

I am totally okay with upvoting for visibility but most of the times it doesn't happen for visibility that's the problem.. :(

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On Leo there is that feature. I am not sure it exists on Peakd or Hive.blog.

But outside of that, there arent many reasons for it. As I said elsewhere, if a smaller account wants to get started that way, I have no problem with that.

But when someone who is one of the largest stake holders is doing it, repeatedly, that is scalping the reward pool in my opinion.

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> But when someone who is one of the largest stake holders is doing it, repeatedly, that is scalping the reward pool in my opinion.

Totally agree . I mean isn't 50% enough ? You need 100% ? That is ridiculous , it is really bad for the community . It just shows greediness openly .

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Well if you are going to do it, might as well go big.

50% in my opinion isnt much different than 100%. The numbers do change, sure, but at the end of the day it is still the principle of the matter.

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No I meant if you upvote others you get 50% back right , that too isn't enough ? The reason they self upvote is they are not okay with 50% but they need 100% to themselves.

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In short, for each case, there is a case.

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I also saw that for the community, this is not something that adds value.

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Although I have small voting power for leo and hive
I never vote for myself
I don't like what they are doing on steem right now

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What has this to do with steem?

It's about leofinance.io

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Agree. Ste*m does not deserves even to be mentioned here.
Let they burn. Let they die.

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What are they doing?

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Full voting party, like a voting swinger club but on the STEEM BC. Groups meet and just relentless vote only for each other until everything comes to an end.

This is actually an awesome tool I didn't know existed till now. I do upvote my own posts at 100% which is normally 1 a day sometimes 2 and on busy days sadly I never even get to a post.

This puts me a a 9.07% selfvote - that seems fair? Besides that my upvotes do seem to be a little heavy on a few people so I'm going to work on spreading that out some more to new people on the platform. It's honestly good to be able to see this as I wasn't sure how much of an impact and spread out my votes were till now.

> I will let everyone decide by yourself, what you want to do.

I barely remember, when I voted myself last. I think, to make this community nice, we have to distribute the reward and the whole chain will benefit from it by seeing the result in price action.

Well, it seems I selfvote 1.27% of my upvotes... I do unconsciously since it is possibly because I set the autovote on any trail I follow.
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In any case, I must say I don't like people who selfvote massively.

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That is how a lot of people get self votes. They are part of a trail that ends up voting their own content.

But at that percentage rate, I dont think you are going to change the reward distribution in any tribe too much.

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If someone makes good content, he would definitely get more rewards than voting himself. Self voting has been a key issue in steem days. It still persists but very few. I don't do much manual curation except when I'm reading. But a good curation can reward deserving ones and increase overall value.

Hmm, that is not ideal. I guessed first time who the account was, not sure if I'd had a look recently and it had raised an eyebrow.

This account trails leo.voter, which has been the case for a while, but because the leo.voter is voting with HP, I think it would make sense to change that. I may end up changing to trail your account based on you being manual, apart from the 'sleeping' votes.

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And as far as self-votes, 100% every post - which is 2/3 a week in LEO.

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Who's that 😁? Just a hint needed. I honestly haven't figured that out.

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Go to the LEO RICHLIST, sort from the biggest :)
https://leodex.io/richlist/LEO

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same here... I'm short on time and just try to enjoy this endless comment section.

Just post more comments.

Solves a lot of ills.

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More comments allow for more self-voting 😁

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I wouldn't think I would find myself on that list but it seems I appear for two instances with 0.60% and 0.80%. I can't remember the last time I upvoted myself but it seems I'm not perfect. I guess I should downvote some of my posts to counter balance that.

Self voting is a two edge sword the way I see it. If you're the type of user that bought most of the VP that you hold then I see no problem in voting yourself because it's clearly just a business for you.

In my case for example where 99.99% of my LP is earned through my blogging and the rewards my posts got me, then I do have some sort of a community obligation to share the love further no matter how small it is.

I usually upvote comments on my posts and to that always with 100% VP. So far though Leofinance doesn't seem to be milked and I'd say that we're clear of that thanks to the community that has been created.

You seem to be quite a detective by the way...

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> I guess I should downvote some of my posts to counter balance that.

I wouldnt worry about it. And some voting trails can upvote your stuff, hence giving yourself an upvote.

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I was kidding. I don't know what period of time that report tracks but I can't even remember when I last upvoted a post of mine. I guess I did since the percentage is there. Not following curation trails either.

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I used to self vote all the time. Mostly because I was ignorant to it...Didn't really understand the dynamics of it.

Now I never self vote my account even though some curation trials I'm a part of end up voting me....At like 5% lol

But now, I send the votes out to others. It's a gift and I can give it out, I think that's the way I'll vote from now on. Helps spread it out more :)

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You do pat yourself on the back a lot though.

That might be something to bring up with your therapist.

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hahahaa :D

I wished people would act like task...., being an example of preach what you teach.

For the ones who don't know how to check for LEO holding stake I will put the link and a screenshot in here, hope you don't mind:
https://leodex.io/richlist/LEO

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Thanks for the vote of confidence.

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Let's put it this way, you kick a lot of buts indirectly by example. And it works, as we have every week new ATH on engagement. It is the most active community in here.

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by far

Btw. You write a lot of comments and long ones as well. I wonder if whether you're an actual writer? It seems to be very smooth going for you.

> It would not be to hard to guess, who's numbers here are shown above. And which Hive account name is obfuscated on the top line.

Actually, it's harder than you might think. Who this?

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The #2 most rich Leo token holder (technical, system accounts skipped). Go to Leo RICH LIST. AS directed in other comments

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What is next..create a meme?

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Are you saying this post was written about me? Please inform me as I would never have guessed this but I am number 2 by your list.

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Actually you are number 3.

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According to Gerbot I'm second. I suppose the difference is in the delegations. Perhaps names should be named so others do not make the same mistake I did. I am guilty of self-voting but I do this merely as a way to reward myself for going to the effort of sharing my posts. I don't see anything wrong with this. I actually post so little that I would self-vote for myself twice if allowed just to encourage myself to post more. I certainly hope I'm the only one that made the mistake to assume that I am the one this post is being written about.

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Relax volcano, all is great with you

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He is right, my search also lead directly to him, this is not very good.

I found this comment, after finding him via the richest and checking his activities.

hahah I did the same! I was like hmm... who can this be?

You've found the wrong place and now you're in a Dragons Den:
a) Run
b) Cast Icebolt
c) Try to befriend the mystical Beast

agree

>I certainly hope I'm the only one that made the mistake to assume that I am the one this post is being written about.

@themightyvolcano you have made a good point sir,i noticed that you do not post that much so you do not do too much self-voting...and i notice that you do upvote other great contents from other users...keep it up sir..

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@themightyvolcano i saw your voting trend and i realised that you do upvote other authors which is a wonderful thing...so continue to upvote other authors the way you have been doing,do not stop doing it sir..you are doing a great job sir....

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NO. Not about you.
Your numbers looks fine, can be seen in the #2 column of the second large table

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nope

@themightyvolcano i believe that the post was just a general post and the post was not actually made at you........the poster only pointed out what he noticed...

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The solution to discourage self vote is very simple: publicity. Make a bot that publish everyday a list of the accounts with more self votes.

They'll just do it with alts anyways.

You would be surprised the depths people will go to uncover alt vote patterns. Or maybe I would be surprised by how easy it is to find that information.

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Why? If I build a business and use the earnings to pay myself to write blogs for my website, its considered smart. Why consider it anything else on the blockchain?

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Because the purpose of vote is to discover good content that will bring value to the blockchain, at least in principle.

because you then run a risk to be left to play with yourself. i could be stupid, most probably am, but i live in the stupid belief that this is a community thing. and if you only care about yourself, why would community support you?

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It’s not like I’m telling people to upvote ONLY their posts and comments.

I’m saying, if you took an hour plus to write a post - give yourself a vote.

You get 10 votes per day.

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https://twitter.com/AdrianPapava/status/1371843029733105669

That makes a lot of sense. I used to self vote when I was a smaller account. I do it on one of my alts, but only on the Sports tribe. I don't do it in any of the other ones. Truthfully I should probably stop self voting in that one as well. Anyway. I try to do my best to spread my vote out as much as possible. I know in the curation and engagement leagues that they run each week I am also one of the few that has zero self votes. I probably have some kind of streak going on if I were to go back and look. I think it is important that you are pointing this out. How accounts vote and how much they engage is one of the most important factors I look at when I am trying to decide if I should support them.

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Self voting has always been discussed in this ecosystem since 2018 😌

For me, self-voting can be done to raise awareness; to reach more people. Otherwise, Staking + Curation Rewards must be enough for people to build a healthy community imo

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> Staking + Curation Rewards must be enough

"must"?
I hate to tell people what they "must" do.
But I feel confident enough to say, and say loud, what I DO NOT LIKE, and from what I want to stay away.

I do hope, that more people will share my conception, and follow my steps.
That's is all I want.

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Back in my steemit days I think I voted myself a time or two. I also tried using some bot(s?) another time. I gained vote slider just recently. I think after voting my own posts/ comments (especially while having 0 vote value) I would feel a bit sad and pathetic. Like liking my own comments on youtube/ my own photos on facebook.
For some reason this reminds me of a Simpsons moment- Moe editing an album by replacing Homer's photos with his own photos.

I just think self voting is boring, I feel I earn more by actually voting others. It also helps to spread the Leo token, and is also nice for making friends. Well, some people don't care about these things.

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I am very pleased to read these posts from users with great stakes and power like you because with great power comes great responsibility.
On Hive it's possible to self-vote but I've never liked to self-vote and in fact my self vote is 0% and also my curation accounts never vote me or themselves.
Hive, like Leofinance, are communities, ecosystems and it's better to motivate and vote for another author than to vote for oneself because this way the interaction increases.
A vote given to oneself is a vote not given to another and is a missed opportunity to get to know and interact with another person.
Again, thanks a lot @onealfa for writing this post which I reblog with great pleasure.
!BEER

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I dont mind is smaller, newer account do it. Hey, trying to build a stake is tough so if someone votes with .50 or even 1 LEO, that isnt the end of the world to me.

However, at a certain point, it has to go outwards especially with larger stakes.

The same goes for garbage posting. A lot of copy/paste stuff or few word posts starting to trend.

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That had to be said too...

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>I dont mind is smaller, newer account do it. Hey, trying to build a stake is tough so if someone votes with .50 or even 1 LEO, that isnt the end of the world to me.

Yes, I agree, especially because those who are new to Hive have not yet understood the full potential and mechanisms of Hive and the meaning of community.

If it were only up to me I would completely eliminate self voting because, even if it is allowed and therefore not condemnable, it is contrary to the meaning of the word "community" and one of the things that differentiates Hive from other platforms is precisely its strong and large community.

I saw that you also have the self vote equal to 0 and therefore we travel on the same line of thought.
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From reading all the comments down below, it seems to me many have not got to my point.

I am NOT against selfvoting. Nor I say it is TABU, or something really bad. NO.

The thing is - it is all about ratios used, about percentages. About the respect to other members of community

Here is the statistics for the last 7 days of our "master-selfvoter":
Voted: 379 times
Upvoted other authors: 45
Rewards distributed to himself: 655 Leo (84.16%)
Rewards distributed to all the other 45 authors: 123 Leo (15.84 %)
(84% to self, and 15% to all the other 45 !? )

I could ignore such pattern from a green newbie, from a redfish, a minnow, even the medium size stake holder.
But such a contempt and arrogance to the other community members from a whale, who holds ~300K Leo, who's one single vote brings more than 25 Leo in rewards, who got registered on steem/hive more than TWO years ago - is simply unacceptable.
And a complete IGNORE is the best I can do in return.
At least until I see the change in the curation/voting pattern.

Last seven days:
https://i.imgur.com/uGpszK3.png

This is nothing more but contempt and arrogance.

If somebody disagrees with it - try to prove me wrong.

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> (84% to self, and 15% to all the other 45 !? )

Sounds like that guy is trying to go full Haejin.

Maybe he is, maybe he is...

Haejin, now that’s a name I haven’t seen in a while, if I wasn’t busy I would go look at his accounts and see what’s he up to.

I’ve also haven’t seen anything from Bernie, you think he doxxed himself trying to get his steem back from bittrex? I don’t know if there was any continuation to that story.

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> I’ve also haven’t seen anything from Bernie

He effectively left the chain.

Whether or not he truly left is another story. At least, his known main accounts no longer have the same power they used to.

btw what happened to Haejin ?

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Random voting on Hive and shitposting on Steem I guess.

Hell I thought we ran off jrcornel??? lol

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Who's that user? O still haven't figured out yet.

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They always do, the juice milk is too delicious.

https://www.theterminatorfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Ill-be-back-940x450.jpg

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Fully agree with that they should be voting up others content and a 25% 75% split sounds good even a 50% 50% I think I'd be ok with but 85%-15% is pretty dang selfish. They I assume put in the investment and the risk and of course should be rewarded for doing so but that cut seems a little high to me to make me look at this person twice.

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you are being rewarded 50% of your distributed inflation every time you click the vote button. and there are double rewards, financial for yourself and the satisfaction that you can reward others in the community. because it is a community game, community rewards you. or you can just selfvote, but then you must count that community will leave you to play with yourself.

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Greediness on the highest other

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I don't like to vote myself but I also don't condemn those who vote themselves especially if they are new users or if they vote more for others than themselves. I fully understand and share your point of view.

I've read all the comments on your post and the effect you've produced is very positive: many users have written that they won't vote anymore and your post shows how important the example of someone who has a lot of power or plays an important role in a community is.

When I had less than 100 HP the people who supported me the most and encouraged me to continue my beautiful adventure on Hive were all people who had a self vote of 0 or slightly higher. They were the people who commented on me even if I had a zero or almost zero vote and commented on many other small users.

Is a self vote value of 0 directly proportional to the contribution and commitment to growing a community? Not always but almost always yes.
If the biggest LP holder had been rollandthomas the leofinance community would have had a negative example and more than a few would have taken it as an example of how to behave.

Also from a purely econonymous point of view not voting for yourself and voting and supporting others is a way to look at the long term and not the short term because the more people receive support the more users Hive and Leofinance will have in the future and if these users have a positive example to follow they will love Hive and Leofinance and consequently also their tokens and consequently they will keep their tokens with the same love and the price can only go up...

I wrote this comment to thank you again and also thank you for the vote you gave me on my comment yesterday. I have earned more LEO with your vote on the comment than with my posts :)

I ask you a favour @onealfa.
Do not vote this comment because my comment is meant to be a sincere and disinterested thank you to the positive example you gave with your post and the example you are giving with your way of acting.

!BEER

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I am slightly ambivalent about this. On the one hand, I remember the old saying...if you won't vote for yourself then why would you expect others to?

Having said that, I do tend to think negatively of self-voting and don't vote myself as a rule. I have voted myself once or twice by accidentally clicking a button :-0

I fully support ignoring or using a downvote to discourage this behavior however ;-) Social (and/or monetary) pressure is a powerful and wonderful tool :-)

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That's what I want. IGNORE them.
I hope more people fill follow my steps. Especially with larger LEO stakes.

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Great initiative that made me realize even if I mostly follow the @hodlcommunity curation account I need to improve my CSI !

I will try to be under 3% of autovotes by mid April and I need to split them more on different writers !

Thank you for raising this issue.

I also feel some of the insiders (not talking about the LEO team of course) even if not fully voted by whales have very high payouts but this should be leaned overtime. Let’s keep this community growing 🙌😉

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I find it ridiculous in a community when someone spends so much of their "energy" on themselves, especially if they are posting multiple times a day. A few weeks back, I tried self-voting a few times a week again as I had in 2017ish, but it feels weird as a relatively large account (HIVE) now, so I pretty much don't do it.

I understand the "my stake, I can do what I want" attitude, but that applies to everyone and actions have consequences and like you say, you might use your stake to ignore some users or, use your stake to redirect the pool away from some users. We saw a case a few weeks back with using alts to do much the same - that wasn't well received either.

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>A few weeks back, I tried self-voting a few times a week again as I had in 2017ish, but it feels weird as a relatively large account (HIVE) now, so I pretty much don't do it.

I agree.

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I fully agree

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Self-upvotes when you write 2-3 posts a week and you stay consistent in VP (vote your post in the same manner you vote others), I feel ok with that.
But when you write 3-4 posts a day and you upvote it all 100%, then it becomes weird.
I’ve noticed this behaviour and it raised an eyebrow too.
It’s good to bring this topic to discussion. We are all investors or investment aware and harming the community is not helping in the long run.

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3-4 post a day? with the exception of the master of tasks, that would be suspicious on it's own

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TM can write 3 posts of 1000+ words a day. And he’s not even voting for himself. And he’s spreading his VP to a very large number. He’s a machine and putting his power at the service of the community. Total respect.

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yup, he's Leo Finance's poster child lol :)

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Sometimes I wondered if Task was a kind of android ... bot ... or something like that because what it does, humanly speaking is incredible. A real machine hahaha ...

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>But when you write 3-4 posts a day and you upvote it all 100%, then it becomes weird.

In this era of debt, we should be able to figure out how to leverage that.

I want to upvote myself at 150% VP 3 times a day.

Now I am sure some will try to figure that out. LOL

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A long time ago I created an alt account to be exclusive to LeoFinance, I have thought about sometimes making this alt account able to write at least 1 post per day to maintain consistency.

Your "strategy" is really good and I believe that many will try to copy. But if it is for the good of the community bringing content that adds value, I have no problem writing at least 3 posts a day.

At the beginning of my journey, I did this and at that time it was much easier to accumulate LEO. Well, today is more difficult but not impossible.

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I people are putting up content that others appreciate and the effort is there, then I dont think there is a problem.

The number of times posted is not being question by @onealfa. It doesnt seem like that is the issue, more the self voting.

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Yes yes, the subject of the number of posts came up because it is just a complement to the conversation above :)

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None ever thought that :D

It's pure greed and the Wolf in the Forst problem. The way you think and feel is exactly what you'll find in others. If none helps you, spiraling into the darkness is inevitable.

Let's be frank, you can have a cow and drink the milk. But not all of it :D

Fully agree with this :)

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The majority of my upvotes goes to taskmaster lol :) they aren't worth much but It shows that I appreciate his support. Also I was meme-ing the other day that self upvoting is like watering the garden in the rain unless you are a whale, so for plebs like myself it's definitely not worth it even if we were doing that and I think most of us aren't anyway.
Later edit: I figured out who the self voting dude is :P
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later edit: not the majority, but the largest percent goes to taskmaster. My self upvote ratio is 0 as far as I can tell.

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I thank you.

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You don't have to thank me lol :) It's more of a gesture than anything because they don't amount to much

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reblogged, indeed a good analitics.

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Never

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I have never felt the need to self vote in a very long time. Not like I am self righteous or something but I just don't see the need

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You're a very self-confident person, but in your case, you're also getting a lot of nice attention from whales. Putting your post in a comfy position already.

Well, what can I say? I will say I try to be as involved as I can in the community as possible and search for opportunities.

>you're also getting a lot of nice attention from whales

The only whale that follows me that I know of is theycallmedan. I don't think I know any personally but I am grateful for the support nevertheless. It puts food on my time.

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That's pretty cool for you, congratz for having found a way to accomplish that.

Hard to ignore the facts. I didn't think about it before, but the data clearly shows it. Conclusion: One more vote in the community and thanks for the statistics.

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Man I sure hope we don't go through another "reward disagreement phase". There are some extreme cases that need to be dealt with occasionally, but I hope we don't go through another round of "Gang up" on users.

I just don't think I have the patience to listen to it again.

I don't really sign on to the "Shared Reward Pool" thinking. I think we all hold stake and our votes are the act of allocating the inflation that goes with your holdings.

While everyone has the right to downvote or upvote with their stake the "Reward Disagreement" fights have lost us some excellent users, decent content and more importantly users.

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The difference here is, it seems, attention is simply being drawn. No downvotes or fighting.

@onealfa even states he is simply ignoring.

Perhaps setting a trend for others to follow.

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Absolutely, and I love that he even hid the name. Classy.

I am also proud to say, I have no idea who it is! And I don't want to.

I agree.

The only thing I think is different if the self-votes are too big. The disagreement in rewards can be fast end up in bullying.

If the platform makes no fun = no users = no value. So I totally agree. Lets people vote on whatever they like if its not a huge abuse like self vote leeching :) Rules must be simple :D

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Exactly don't let the actions of a few ruin it for the many.

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there is that thing where people support you (not you you) but you also only support you. is it a crime? No. Is it selfish? Does that tell something about the person? Should i play with someone who only wants to play with himself?

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True and I agree. I think we naturally gravitate to social networks where we feel supported in one way or another.

With the Hive History and all, I hope we focus (publicly) on positives. Every community has a few .. free loaders I guess. (I'm not defending it)

I just think we have so much good going now and it feels really good in the community without all the former negativity.

Great comment.

i love the way you're to do manual curating for others articles and encourage them, i didnt know about what circle jerking works but sometimes i noticed many articles that just published has a vote from the same person even just a few seconds after the article in publish, is it using bots or something?

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> i didnt know about what circle jerking works...

Are you talking online or in real life?

If it is the later, I am sure there are some pics out there which will clarify things. LOL

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Online sir especially in Leo Finance, i've been understanding about circle jerking, if i'm not wrong i can conlude voting to the same authors each others without giving any voting to others (just in their circle).
And i've realize giving votes to others will be meaningfull rather than self voting. I've been learning a lot from this article and change my perspective to be better giving voting to others even your votes having small value than doing self votes

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Voting CSI 21.2 ( 0.00 % self, 594 upvotes, 133 accounts, last 7d )

Guess its not bad. I think I self-voted a lot more in the beginning as I was really rushing to grow. After a while, I learned I should just go slow and steady so I stopped doing so. I should probably split the votes out a little bit more.

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I never self vote. My vote is worth 0.00 HIVE and 0.06 LEO anyway, so it doesn't make a difference, but I never ever vote on my own posts or comments. However, I don't blame people who have invested large amounts of money in this platform if they do self vote. They have every right to do whatever they desire with their stake.

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This is not good on more than one front. As a large stakeholder you have a responsibility to the community and clearly this is not so in this case. I could guess who this is without checking as it raised my eyebrows the last time.

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>Cub, CUB , cubs, cubs... CUBS everywhere. Every second post.
I'm starting to get tired of this.

I am with you on this.

Actually, yesterday I upvoted one of my comments on accident and I cringed.

>I will not start them downvoting yet, but I feel I have full right to firmly IGNORE them.

I agree. A lot of behavior can be countered simply by ignoring the person. This is something that we have to keep in mind.

What you are doing here makes a lot of sense. Bring up the topic to the community and let them decide.

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Voting on stuff has so many different purposes, I can understand self-votes as amplifiers. But voting on own comment just to keep the last drop of revenue, that's low.

I think that the people should not ignore "mass self-upvoters".
If people ignore them, then they will just/only continue to rape the reward pool.

Ignoring them is the worst what people can do.
These abusers are ruining the social side of this blockchain on the long term.

You have mentioned a very good thing about self voting. Back in time, I was a very big self voter and I was voting every single comment.
But now I vote good authors like you and some others.
I do vote people commenting on my posts.
I still vote my own posts but I post rarely on leo.
I am against the voting farm that people do. I just want leo to be cleared from voting farms and greedy people.

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Thanks for raising these points. I think our views are pretty much in line with each other.

I never self vote on LeoFinance.

Mainly because I want my relatively limited vote power to reward other authors, to encourage them, and to show my thanks and appreciation for the content I find valuable and entertaining. I also think self voting sends the wrong message about my intentions on this platform. Yes I want to earn but there's a balance, and that requires taking into consideration what is best for the platform. Ultimately what is best for the platform is also best for me long term :) It's one in the same.

That said I do support individuals rights to do what they like with their stake. What I can control is who I vote, and which authors I choose to engage with and those that I choose to ignore.

Just like in the physical world, if I don't like the channel, I don't watch it. If I don't like the company I don't give them my money. That's the power and control I have, and how I exercise it.

Again thanks for raising these points and getting a conversation started.

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Well, it's also a very deep rabbit hole that mustn't always be talked about openly. Because fighting abuse and bad behavior is not a nice part of the scene and we've seen all the possible ways of getting out of hand.

The easiest way to react would be to counter downvote self-votes and let the author know that you're not a fan of his bad manners.

In this case, I still don't know who it is, that might have already happened - or it should be done, m a y b e.

I don't know why I am on top of your list but it feels unfair and like standing at the pillory. I have self-upvoted one singe post of mine and besides that none and I had zero intentions to do so. It shows that I have 0.14% self-vote, which is lower than anybody shown on your list.

https://hivetasks.com/@flauwy

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Edit: Apparently I am stupid and wasn't able to correctly interpret the screenshot of yours. Nevermind.

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I think that the chart in the post shows that the user is spending 6.93% of his upvotes to you ! It doesn't mean that you upvote yourself !

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Exactly so.

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You could just 'delete' this comment :))

But I don't think you'd do that. How's life, you good?

Actually, I can't because I already got a comment. Besides, it is rather comical and I have to own up to my mistakes. ;-)

Life has never been better. So much good stuff happening at once. I thought 2021 would be a bad year but it is amazing so far.

Okay, well that awesome! Not everyone can tell that story about this year.

Seems you don't understood @flauwy

6.93 shows that you have collected 6.93% of the total voting power of our "hero", during last 7 days.
It came so, because he upvoted you twice, both times with 100% . (quite an exception from his rule)
Good for you.

Because for all others, 99.9% of the time he upvotes ONLY with 2%.
Ever wondered why so small? WHY?

I may guess the answer:
Because he saves his voting power to make higher profits FOR HIMSELF. Plain and simple.

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First of all, I want to thank you for showing me this app, because the last time I saw it was the STEEM version. I had no idea how it was here at Hive and I liked to use it from time to time.

On this "delicate" subject, it was not so long ago that I made a similar post on the subject. Really, this question everyone knows what they want, I myself have to respect the attitude of those who prefer to vote for themselves, but I do not think something that would be beneficial for a community.

There are cases that I see from time to time of users voting on their own comments. I think this is ridiculous, yes there are cases that I can say that there is no problem with that which would be the high bills. Many do this to grow their accounts.

I also avoid voting for these users, in some cases voting for being interesting content but I don't vote with the weight this post would deserve.

Well, at least my conscience is clear in the meantime. I use my voting
power to vote for other users in the community. If I want to be voted on, it is the curators' decision to do so and not my choice.

Thanks again @onealfa for sharing your thoughts and about the site.

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My vote isn't worth all that much, so I really don't have much use for upvoting myself (I think I did it by accident once or twice). I can see the temptation, but feel like people can generate almost as much value upvoting other people

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You are right. 50:50 vote distribution is powerful.
But some think the simple way: why should I give $100 to others, while I can take all $200 instead of $100.
This is what comes back to me from my daily LEO curations.
https://i.imgur.com/lYw8jhY.png

Note that the same amount is distributed every day/month to others.
Maybe I should take $18000 instead of just $9000 ???
Why? Because I can. 😃

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Well you also have to consider the type of community you would create if that were the case. If everyone were to upvote themselves all the time and if you were to make that $18000 it would be short lived; the token would simply lose value because there would be no utility to others, the main aspect of a social network structure such as Hive. It would be a seemingly infinite ATM, until the lack of utility is recognized and the token dips forever towards zero. Community is everything here, without it there is no value.

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@onealfa.leo i wish everyone would do things the right way which you do,instead of self-voting,i observe that you do upvote others and make the community a better place....keep up the good work sir...

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I have a doubt about it.

Small accounts like me who selfupvote with a 0.003 value, will be ignored from your upvote?

In my first days you upvote a comment that i posted and it made my week so much better and soft cause this helped achieve my goals.

If what i'm doing its wrong tell me, so i stop, cause i still want your help with upvote.

Sorry my bad english, i hope you understand. Peace.

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Do not worry about it. When your account is small, it is necessary to grow it even if it means up voting your posts.

I am not related to the author, but I have been here a long time and can safely say, keep upvoting yourself with your 0,003 power.

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Thanks for understand

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I'm new here, I've been here for a week. I made this mistake several times. I will learn by following the publications of authors like you. Thank you for sharing this wonderful article and making me see my mistake.

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Still very welcome, cheers !BEER

Sorry, out of BEER, please retry later...

Don't like upvoting myself. Hmmm i guess only i left who didn;t post about CUB arrgh I wanted to post :(

2 lAte chavi, get wr4(kt

Self voting I realized over six months ago is not really the best way to go and I stopped self voting.
I choose the act of rather spreading the wealth than trying to enrich myself.

Its a win win if we spread the votes around here. Just my opinion

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Heck, I didn't know that self-voting is a bad practice in fact I have been doing it for a long time, I will start not to do it and be less greedy.

This week I have started voting and commenting more regularly I want to do about 200 comments a week and give the same number of Votes.

Thanks for the words @onealfa you have made me think.

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@onealfa self voting is a bad practice in my own opinion,i feel that people should use their voting power to upvote great contents and they should not be self-voting,voting great contents will not stop a person from earning curation rewards and that is why i believe it will be awesome if everyone upvotes great contents instead of using the voting power for self-votes...

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I am a proud non-self upvoter I don’t monitor it and maybe there’s a slip up or too but I don’t see the point in self upvoting spreading inflation to wallets that may use it or lose it is all part of the game! Share the love man

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Respect the Game, beautiful.

I dont do self upvote at all and it happens sometimes because of curation trails. I am anyways going to stop following any trail for now since I will be doing 100% manual curation so there would be 0% self-votes now. I simply follow the rule that my vote is for the community and not for me.

Well, now I've broken my resolution for you to keep my blog free of rehives. But since I don't get to write anything clever at the moment anyway - who cares.

I find it very good that you address this topic so openly. I also noticed this a few weeks ago with the example you mentioned, and I'm surprised that such users are placed so prominently on LeoFinance. That is certainly not a good example for new users - just imagine that everyone does that.

On the other hand, I think you can be glad that this is a special case and not the status quo. When I look at one or the other part of the world........ But okay :D

Since I've already besieged your blog - check out your Twitter inbox and see if you can use the Toruk. Haha, am curious.

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So this is what i do. I upvote each and every one of my posts because i believe they at least deserve that upvote cause i usually invest close to an hour or more to create a post. I have 2k of leo so my 100% vote in terms of dollars worths close to 20 cents so that means 10 cents for me.

Because i am completely honest even if my vote's value would be 5$ i would still vote myself. 10$ is my limit though. At the same time, i never upvote the comments i make, that's my rule, while i try to upvote each comment under my comment section.

Furthermore, i do everything manually no autovoting services and i also vote what i like. That means that i don't care if a post is popular or not, or if an author is popular or not. If i find it interesting then i read it, upvote it and depending on my time make a comment as well.

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I guess I haven't paid much attention to this. I've upvoted myself a handful of times on posts I thought should have gotten more attention, but I always feel dirty doing it so it's rare. Not that an extra 20 cents changes much... :-) but at least it looks a little better.

When I curate I usually go to the Explore and then New so I can hopefully find some authors that don't get a lot of attention. I almost ALWAYS comment on things I upvote and I almost always comment on and upvote replies. Except for bozz. He always has to have the last word. lol Everytime I think I'm done replying to him, he adds another one....

AMR started the engagement posts about when I came back on board so I've had that little chart in front of me the whole time. I just think it's important to spread the wealth, literally. The more people that become engaged and happy in the community, the better it is for everyone. And also the more people who can pay it forward to the new members joining.

If and when pointblank comes out and we start getting a large influx of new people, it's going to take everyone doing their part to keep the community healthy and growing. Just my take.

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Honestly speaking, if I happened to be a high stake holder, I would definitely self-vote, but only based on my ratings. What I mean by that is, most times I write a blog post, and in me I already know am writing below my standards, that is am not giving that article my best effort, so voting such post myself would go with a smaller percentage, but if am fully satisfied with my work, I go ahead and give it a 100% just as I cast on other users.

But since I ain't got that big of a stake to spare for myself, I only have the option to give it out.

That's just me.

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And I thought 50/50 was awesome.. I have to look up these guys myself to stop upvoting them. Let's get rid of these greedy bastards.

As for talking only about CUB - yeah, it's time we did other posts. :)

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I'll be writing about CUB a few more times. The information I am getting in my comments is to golden to pass up.

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That is some crazy math and rational curation put in it. This is the way!

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I see both sides of the fence on this one but I stopped self-voting altogether when I started post on Leo.

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What the difference and what made you stop?

Well, I don't mind self voting because I think everyone should be able to do whatever they want with their stake/vote. I just stopped because I'd rather give those vote $$ out then keep for myself. I feel like you get what you give so give a bunch of votes and you may get them back from others ;)

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Well, first of all, that not true. You give what you give and you get what you get. Truth be told.

Second of all, giving makes happy and taking makes rich. I do conclude you prefer being a good person overtaking that money off the table and that indeed makes you pretty lit.

At last, everybody can do what they want with their stake. But they also have to endure the consequences themselves. Without @Hivewatchers we'd be in big trouble, just like Gotham City without Batman.

Good points all my friend and pragmatic at that.
Appreciate the reply :)

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Also, thanks for sharing your Point of View, appreciated it.

I am of a similar mind to you when it comes to those who exhibit such behavior. Ignore, and stop voting. I'm sure I end up voting people that do this since I don't really research into people's voting patterns. Of course, you can find users with a small self-vote number that in reality are vote-trading circles. There will always be those that just look to maximize profit by trading 10 votes with similar size accounts.

For me, it's not even an enjoyable way to use HIVE. Personally, I consider my votes as gifts to the author and do not expect anything in return. I try to balance between voting on posts that are likely to give good curation and those that I simply just want to support. I chose a while ago to stick to manual voting even though it doesn't return as much. In the end these are subjective choices and the beauty of HIVE is we can express our values through our votes.

It's not just "code is law," clearly there are unwritten social codes that govern what is agreed to be acceptable patterns of behavior.

Thanks for this "non-cub" post @onealfa! Take care.

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I self-upvote every one of my posts (sometimes 3 per day, but usually one). I also like to upvote comments on my posts.

I would not complain if someone 100% self-upvoted every day if they were working full time trying to bring as much value to the network as possible. Speculating on this behavior is a slippery slope.

Positive reinforcement is x1000 times more valuable than negative reinforcement. To your point: ignoring someone is in line with positive reinforcement; you didn't punish them: you ignored them because you don't think they deserve a reward.

Negative reinforcement comes with extreme diminishing returns and epic blowbacks. I normally reserve downvotes for obvious scams, plagiarism, or otherwise extremely toxic behavior. Self-upvoting doesn't really apply to these categories in my opinion.

That being said, you find yourself in a position of great power on the network, and the decisions you make have exponentially more affect on the platform than anyone else. Keep walking that tightrope. We'll be fine.

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Freelance writers who make $100 USD on a well research blog post are considered "badly paid." (We are in California)

Self upvoting when you have a large stake when spending so much time on the blockchain only makes sense. Why not pay yourself with the money you earned/invested to grow the platform.

Will I go back to writing my daily mommy diaries when HIVE is at 2.00 USD and shamelessly upvote them. Yes I will, yes I will.

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I think it's fair to upvote yourself for good quality content and that you're not just spamming article after article. I do about 1 myself a day maybe 2 if its a good day and some days I never even get to an article! Also start doing more upvotes on quality comments that add value to my post and spark threads of chatting between people. These positive moves will help build hive and LEO into a much stronger system but it seriously takes a lot of time. I spend hours on here a day.

For me the self vote helps earn me a little but more important bring some awareness to my post. Lets be honest you normally look at a $2 post first before you look at a $0.01 post. For me it's a way to market my article on the platform to get more eyes.

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That is somewhat extreme!

somewhat is a word, perhaps not a strong enough one.

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Well I did originally post this as my comment:

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Then I edited it (just putting in anything to fill the gap) as I thought it was a bit inappropriate for such a 'measured' and 'discrete' post from 1A - the tone of it just didn't seem right.

But now it's 'all out in the open' it seems OK to put it up. I was actually quite pleased with the Sesame Street link too, at least now it's not entirely wasted.

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To answer the question, in the title of your post @onealfa, I self-vote 0% of the time. I have even won awards from @abh12345 for not self-voting, when he put together statistics for an entire year.

I did at the very outset of my "journey" in here, beginning in May 2018. But ... I learned from @abh12345 his logic for why that was a bad idea. And I simply stopped. Full stop. Period.

In your post, this stood out to me:

> "I was getting ready myself to speak about this long ago.
Still been postponing it, in hope that things will start to improve.
But seems this is not the case."

You and I are (at least I am) older men, so we have a lot of experience in life indicating what we can typically expect from human nature. Are there exceptions at times? Of course, and for those we are grateful for the encouragement they provide. 🙂 But ... They are, after all, the exception ... 😒

Thanks for putting this post together. As a major influencer, by "shining the light" on this type of behavior, you play an important role in (hopefully) keeping it to a minimum.

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amazing, congratz

Same here, I think I can count on one hand the number of times I self voted. I could be wrong and it may be both hands and maybe a foot but I think that's pretty good for nearly 3 years here! I have the philosophy of "be the change you want to be" and try to emulate that as often as I can. It may not be important or cool in this scenario but it's still something I'm proud of nonetheless!

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I am still scratching my head on how can we justify a self-vote. TBH I am surprised to see that it is considered a normal practice. I am still confused as such. For me, the social interaction is to uplift others. Crazy implosion.

Yeah for sure lol I don’t get it but that’s what happens with this type of stuff. Do you know the account in question here? I couldn’t figure it out but I’m not in Leo that often.

Yeah. Follow this link to know why the user thinks it is justified to selfvote. I don't agree though.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@rollandthomas/mtkwhhbh

It is extremely disappointing, I had no idea so many did it. One of the comments is even a woman bragging about it...gross.

You kinda gave it away with the exact amount of LEO. 😀

62% Self.. is quite impressive. One to keep an eye on. !WINE

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That's nuts, especially because such people usually don't only drive one account around.

I'm not on the pulse of Leo so I have to figure out who it is lol. It wasn't the one person I thought of, though he did admit he self votes often lol

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Who was it?

I used to give myself a vote per day but now I'm leaning toward zero. Pretty much only upvoting myself when I want visibility in the comment section.

Well that makes actual sense, how mich %%% do you use for that?

To get visibility in the comment section?

Whatever is necessary. If I need a 100% vote to get to the top, that's what I'll do but if I can get there with a 20% vote weight I'll only throw 20% at it.

55k HP, not too bad but there's still space in your hive-engine wallet.

There's a lot to see in this post of yours, tah!

No self votes for me, the reason is simple, why I should self-vote?

It's all about the long-term.

I think you do a great job to show people the problem.

Second, in the long run, self-votes (on high ratio) damage the system and also token holders. It must be monitored.

Spread the Token works in the long run better.

Everything more than 15% self-votes is in some way greedy IMO. But only the way I look at it.

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This seems unnecessarily vague.

Just have an open discussion and sort it out before this turns into a petty flag war on both sides.

Just change some weights on Hive autovoter and it's problem solved.

All good :)

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I get you my friend. I just don't really talk about it anymore. For a couple of years I yelled from the rooftops on this topic. I have gotten so worked up my eyes went straight. It is a matter of ethics. One does not need to take a course in ethics to just know how to do the right thing.

Too small, am I. I totally get your point though. I have watched this going on since I joined back in 2017. Although abuse by huge accounts is not what it was back then. Like you I do a little forensics now and again out of curiosity. Not much anymore. I will just use my stake to help as I can.

I do know as far as my voting of posts? I spread them out best I can. Not perfect and I do gravitate to the posts with large rewards. The whole matter is way above my @leofinance paygrade.

Keep putting out the good stuff bro! Appreciate all you do.

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Important: I am replying using the google translator. My English is not very good. I'm sorry if it contains errors.

I came back recently, almost a week ago, the day I launched CUB and really, I see a lot of posts about it. This post about curation was very interesting to me. I have been writing since 2018 at steemit, and this idea of ​​self-voting has never been well regarded. But that temptation of those who have a good vote makes many think that way. Here at Leo Finance I also saw some cases like this, but I didn't know if that would be the "normal" or the "new normal" and now with your post it clarifies many things. My line of reasoning is the same as its ferocious vows to itself. And I also believe that it is a little common sense.

For me, who I speak of Brazil, in the situation that we are in the middle of this pandemic, with the dollar high against our currency, any vote thinking about the next one, helps a lot. And I believe that we found several people here in need. And if everyone had this idea of ​​"helping" and not helping themselves, we would win not only here, but also the pandemic in the world.

Big hug.

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Very shortsighted of people. Many seem to forget that the one's votes are not only determining rewards directly through allocating the rewardspool and providing author rewards, but also a tool to help improve the value of the token long term.

The real wealth gain from votes is not only the curation rewards + author rewards you get. But those + the effect that the vote has on the long term value of your existing holdings and future revenue as well. Something large starkeholders in particular should be conscious of.

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I did not know you could self vote , thanks! J/k of course

I think it’s good to point out self voting and eliminate as much as possible. I know people make mistakes or old curation trials accidentally put a self vote on a post. We all just need to be carful.

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Pretty proud of my ratio here!

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I'm by no means an orca or a whale but I am a firm believer in not doing any self votes. I do think though that the people who I interact with and my little "circle" of folks I talk to a lot rarely or never self vote either and it's just a nice thing to do. Give to others instead of to yourself, is a philosophy I try to emulate on here. Sometimes it translates to less rewards for me but that's okay, I'll keep plugging along regardless, trying to make a little dent in here. One of these days I'll make a better dent with Leo lol. 170 tokens and going strong!

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My rule of thumb is to upvote my favorite material everyday, and I will 100% myself if I author a post that I think is worth seeing (even though my stake is not too large.) So far on LEOfinance, I have upvoted myself 2 times (as I have written two posts).

Thank you for showing your care for this ecosystem. When the whales care about the ecosystem, it thrives.

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I can understand that someone who has invested heavily, and produces good quality posts, decides to reward their own work too; but sometimes greed might take that behaviour a little too far. I don't self vote; if my post have decent quality and someone actually enjoys reading them, I'll get my rewards. Prefer to spread my VP to all the great posts I see on the blockchain, and actually think I should spread them even more!

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This is it !

Keep on going. You are on a right path.

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And do hope to keep it that way. Seeing large stakeholders behave like you do, performing most of curation manually, spreading their upvotes regardless of one's stake, and interacting with the community, sets a great example for the ones here long enough and for the ones who are just entering this world. Thanks a lot! Cheers! !BEER

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I self-vote on all of my posts because I strive to write (and I spend a lot of time doing that everyday) quality posts and try to get the most financial rewards out of it.

On the other hand, I really appreciate helping other authors (whose posts I read and upvote when I think they deserve it) and I don't give comments upvotes because my power is still low for me to start doing that.

Honestly, I don't see self-voting as a problem (as many people like to say) and it can be interpreted in different ways. However, when it is done in an exaggerated way it can become a problem because that user can start to be frowned upon by others.

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I wrote a post on my view of how linear curation and the 50/50 split makes upvotes to others profitable and valuable to the community. I understand that everyone has the right to use their capitol as they see fit. I believe that using a healthy amount of it to upvote others is very good for the community long run, and the token price longterm. So that’s what I do, but we all have to decide for ourselves.

Comparing ourselves to others can be helpful, but we all have different needs and demands in our lives. Overtime I think the majority of us will act in positive ways here and model the best amongst us, but we may not be able to duplicate them.

The rest of us will try to be the best version of ourselves.

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Leo is very lucky to have you as the top 1 whale. I vote myself once a day and occasionally my wife (once every three days) and often have guilts about it.

I vouch to never self vote myself again on leo.

Thanks for busting our balls.

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You vote for other too...

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Yes but the enemy of the good is the better.

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And the best.

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@trumpman2 but do not stop upvoting great contents from other users....

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Makes sense to me @onealfa, thanks for speaking out and be open about creating a healthy culture on LeoFinance. I am sure many smaller accounts feel the same way especially when they try so hard to create gem of the content and get nothing as compared to other people who do not contribute to the platform as much. Whales have an option to be responsible or to find loopholes in the system and use them for their own benefit. Blockchain is all about decentralization and that also means decentralization of wealth. The beauty of hive is you can still get RICH by giving your a piece stake of influence (VP) without actually giving it (HP). That's why I love it. When I joined the platform, in my first week, I noticed almost all the big accounts are heavily curating others but ONE. Obviously, I could not say anything about it because I am nobody. I put many accounts on my Hive.Vote fanbase including that one because it made sense to me, to maximize my curation rewards but not anymore. I also noticed that while everyone is trying their best to reward the engagement in some way, this particular account doesn't even care or probably read its comments, let alone rewarding them. Rewarding comments is extremely important for SEO & creating a culture that promotes discussions & interactions to further enhance the actual content. Only then we will be able to rank better on Google and in the eyes of future newcomers. If we want to expand our horizon then we should use our stake to do it first!!!

I am trying to build this habit from the day ONE so that if one day (I HOPE), I go big (in terms of Stake), I will not need to self upvote. I should be having confidence on my content and on my peers that they will support me.

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I'm in that range too ~2%

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I think that this action of the autovote should be submitted to a debate among the members of the community in order to reach a consensus to determine if this practice is among the valid or prohibited mechanisms in Hive and Leofinance. In particular I have done this practice a couple of times, it is not something I do frequently but I did it because I thought it was allowed by not being rejected by the system or the community. I understand that this falls within the field of ethics in social networks, so it would be important that as this is a decentralized community, we all achieve a joint assessment on this issue.

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Most of us remember haejin, right? His daily shit-screen-pastes, and one must down below, a fat "UP" from ranchorelaxo (a "hidden" selfvote)
How it all ended up?
Where he is now?
Does the "market analysis" posts nowdays on LEO are not looking similar?

I don't DV him. I have no intentions to start a new flag-war first.
I will just IGNORE.
My high 12% part of all the staked LEO's makes this IGNORE to be noticed.

And my call to others is rather simple:
You CAN change things by just adjusting your own reactions, support, encouragements. YOU CAN

If you don't like somebody's behavior, let him just stay away.

Let these greedy selfish persons stay alone with their posts, with their 95% owned self-support upvotes (one day) down below it.

Let's all play our own games - the community, and the greedy selfish.
I have no obligation to support somebody, who does not support my community.
I care about LeoFinance, I Have almost 1600 of my monthly pensions in it, and I'll do my best to protect this investment.

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They can spread their Leo and just start different vote trails, friendly flagging might be the only cure in the end. Who really knows exactly, because even that can be outplayed.

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> Let these greedy selfish persons stay alone with their posts, with their 95% owned self-support upvotes (one day) down below it.>

Let do, let pass, application of the old economic philosophy of the French school. In particular, due to the short time I have been in this community I do not know many things and others I am discovering as I integrate and participate more in the debates but if there is something I know is that there is no worse punishment in these media than to be rejected by the majority, either as a measure arising from a collective consensus or as an individual action of each member.

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i only vote on my posts cause everyone else's posts are shit :)

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This is a selfish act, why not look out for good contents and up vote, 50% still comes back. And it gets circulated

There should be a restriction on how people can up vote personal contents

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Tanks for sharing this post and thanks to let us know How we can find the recent voting patterns of our account

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Applause for you onealfa and thanks for this post. I can't believe we're back to autovotes, I haven't seen them in a long time. It is a deplorable action, which in no way benefits the platform.
I understand that some autovote can escape as for example with the trails. I drive one and when I vote for a trail rider, he will also vote for himself.

It is an issue that always has to be remembered. I will take this post to the community to teach them.

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Thank you for talking about this @onealfa, and thank you for talking about it as a major stakeholder.

I personally do not self-vote, but that's my personal philosophy and I don't hold it against someone who does self vote. I can also appreciate that it could be very tempting to self-vote with most of one's power if you have a large stake and you could "pay yourself" 500 LEO a day. However — at least to me — an important point is MISSED there!

Self-focus is not how you build a thriving and sustainable community!

And when I use that phrase, I mean something that attracts active contributors from outside our ecosystem because they see something here they want to become a part of. Extensive self-voting with a large stake is... well... basically a "cash grab" and it offers little of lasting value, and it certainly doesn't set a great example for what we'd want a new member to emulate... and yes, newcomers do look to those with lots of influence when they first arrive... whether it's "fishing" for a large upvote or simply learning by example. Above all, it doesn't support the idea of community.

I could write a LOT about this topic, but I'll stop there.

Reblogged.

=^..^=

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Thanks for reblog and all what you said here
It is very inspiring to see this unified support from the Leo community members.
I have been watching this long enough, and keeping me silent.
But you know how it goes, one day you can't simply keep it going. You reach the limit.

I could simply fall into flag war, holding twice as much LEO LP and 60x as much HIVE HP.
But I don't think this is what many want to see in this space,
We got enough pf that shit on Ste*m

I think much better will be if EVERYBODY makes his own decision.
And VOTE against bad things with their actions, their attention and general support or disregard.

United we are power. Unit we flourish.

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@onealfa.leo you are right sir,bad actions on this platform should be discouraged and we should support honest actions,self voting will not help this platform....infact it makes this platform become spammy,defeats the purpose of the platform and makes it less interesting too...

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I have never been in such a great power, and I don't ever feel a great burden of responsibilities from my power.
But with good curation and good timing for vote, one large stake holder can get good curation, just by voting and spreading the reward for other content creator isn't it?

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That's a big bird you've sent an arrow through Onealfa...I support voices raising difficult/awkward issues for the attention of folk. I've had a look at the account in question and I see no reason to support it with upvotes any longer for now. Quite a shocker in a way, but the info was always there for those to see :D. I wonder how this account will go from here onwards.

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Voting on your own post is possible, so it's not forbidden. There are also no rules or ethics defined about self voting.

I read quite a few reactions of people that did self vote, but didn't know the principle of voting and the 50% return you already get by voting.

But some people probably do it for extra earnings. That's not a behaviour for a social platform and people that have been around for a longer period should now and act better.

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And I still don't know what to do with this CUBs...:-)
I do self vote the post I publish, but besides that I do not believe in upvoting my comments. 1 Vote I spend on self daily and I think that's justified for all the efforts put in :-)

I have been trying to work out who this particular user is so I don't vote for them in error. This kind of behaviour is disgraceful. I look at a selfvote as an investment in oneself and for me, that is OK as you try to build your account so that you can then be in a better position to help others grow but when it gets to this level it is taking the mickey. I would love to see a reputation score that reflects this type of thing built right in Leofinace.

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Very interesting I am new you leo and Hive as a blogger, an was clearly unsure of what upvoting was for, thanks for sharing its good to know why its there and best practices in using it morally. TY....

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Apart from greed, it also creates an unbalanced and fragile economy if all whales were to do so.

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Hawt damn. I didn't realise that I send myself 6% of my own voting power. Probably going to have to reduce that a little more.

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I self-vote, yes! I write one or two post per day at the most, and I'm a 4k Leo holder and 26k hive power holder. but I'm a manual curator as well as an auto curator too. I vote more new users to increase their visibility and encourage them while voting for older ones here. The post is a wake up call by the way. I love hive and I love Leo more reason I'm invested here and I have always hated jerking in circles. It's obviously everywhere most people that would throw stones are guilty.
But then I'll if I give 50 votes a day only 2 would obviously be mine with a tiny hp or LP spread around everywhere. A lot of people here can attest to that.

You have muted me once I don't know why, hopefully you undo that because effortlessly we try.

Yeah, if everyone in the "upper classes" was like you, everyone would be fine. Anyway, we know why some set up Hive/Leofinance accounts - to enlarge their pockets themselves. Well, to admit, I also upvote myself everytime i post something, but in essence I actually have a small share in my total upvotes. So maybe I'm fine. I wish all the richer ones have the same mindset that you already have.

PS: $ 9000 is not really bad ;-). Good for you.

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I have and will continue to remove all his Hive rewards. The fact he is self voting nearly 100% on Leo is bad enough, but as an official curator with free stake?

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Is this really who you want on the front page of LeoFinance.io and taking the lion share of the reward pool?

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There will always be a wide variety of explanations for self-votes, but regardless of what you are being told, people will always see self-voting as a greedy and selfish behaviour.

I don't know the reason for his behaviour but it doesn't look good at all, regardless of what he has done or what he is doing for LeoFinance or Hive. It looks very selfish and greedy.

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Zero self-upvoting.
I keep my upvotes for other content creators and comments.

https://i.imgur.com/pROv0BS.png

I stopped self voting when the EIP came, it leveled the playing field and made it more difficult for farmers to take advantage of the system. Recently I started to do a 10% self vote, the same vote I give 100+ authors on a daily basis. I also give a very generous vote, not the minimum amount to get ideal curation rewards.

While I am not opposed to self voting, it's all about how much and what you do with your votes. Clearly someone like rollandthomas it is no longer "self voting" but funneling nearly 100% of his stake back to himself. This is short sighted, selfish, and projects a piss poor image for the largest rewarded user on Leo (and an Official "Curator" at that).

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I share the same idea of that being greedy shouldn't be rewarded by other voters, and if we have to much Leo, there are other good ways to have a good benefit from it, just like sending it to cub finance, which I think is not seem as something bad as milking the platform via autovotes.

When I autovote myself happens because I'm on @taskmaster4450le's voting trial, so when he votes for my articles sometimes, then I vote to myself in the same trial, just as I vote everybody else he votes

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I think the fact that you are not indifferent to how others vote suggests that you are really worried about the future of leofinance.

I was pleasantly surprised by the statistics of voting of the other 9 largest Leo Power holders.

I decided to revise my statistics and realized that I, too, am not the best example. I felt ashamed and decided to stop voting for my LEO record altogether.

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Thanks for pointing this out. I have added to my Ignore list.

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As also mentioned in the other posts, I can understand the temptation for small accounts to do self-upvotes more often. Afterall, sometimes their content is not often acknowledged and it can get quite discouraging.

But I guess as your stake grows, so does your responsibility to make sure others also get their chance to shine. What benefits the community ultimately will flow back to you.

So even now as my Leo Power increases (even by a little bit), I am more and more mindful to upvote others - especially newcomers that just joined and need a welcome - as well.

Thanks for giving me something to reflect upon! (:

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Some people never learn that joy lies in giving more than taking. One of my main reasons for growing rich(er) is to be able to give more. A platform like Hive is a great place to practice this believe and communities like LeoFinance help me a lot to grow ( richer ).

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Hurt a bit. I thought everything was ideal on Leofinance and Hive. Never self voted and I thought that's how you roll. It kind of changed my perspective on why it is not good to marry to a project or a coin :| Realization. Diversify seems to be the way to go.

Wouldn't it be better to remove the self vote option, and let the content be rewarded or not based on its quality? If people find it useful, they should support it?

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Zero self-upvoting.
I keep my upvotes for other content creators and comments.

It appears I am on this list for a bit of upvote, ~0.90% which is top 10 relative to this users' total outgoing upvotes. I would like to say as a small fish on this platform for over three years it is difficult to amass enough voting power without directly investing into hive crypto. So I can understand if someone put in a lot of their hard earn money that they deserve to do what they want with their voting power. However in the long run it makes the platform less sustainable and unattractive to newcomers. Cornering the market will sooner than later devalue the Hive platform to the point where it will meet its own demise.

Appreciate you bring up the fact that this is happening and I can only hope those with the most VP are willing to keep things honest. It is the only way to make distribution of HP/HBD better for all.

So many active users like myself barely get enough upvotes to make it worth wild to stick but if only whales realize if they distribute their upvotes to more users then its use will be with more people in turn increasing demand for Hive and rise in value. There is so much potential here and I believe most on this platform use their VP fairly and hope the few that don't realize sooner or later and to change their ways.

I'll stick around as long as I can and not let a few bad apples make the hive blockchain get a bad rep for the majority of users.

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Well, i felt kinda bad now :P
I did a post asking if it "lame to self vote" when I started here and the comments were "yeah it's fine"
Still, I felt strange & greedy seeing my name on the tops.
Anyway, I try to contribute a lot in LEO so i will sleep good.

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I honestly can't remember the last time I self-voted. Then again my account is small so it's not like it would matter anyways if I did. I understand why people do it though. I just choose not to do it myself.

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I never self-vote. I think, if it's possible, the ability to self-vote should be removed as it is clearly reward pool farming.

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For you the CUB's may be boring ... I'm sure that for many of us it still is quite exciting, and even scary at some times. At least I know I feel that way. But it's great when you can think of it as being 'boring' because that means everything is going very well.

When it comes to selfvoting ... I'm divided. I don't post that often lately, my stake is not very high. Yes, I do selfvote at times. But ... I do spread much more votes around for other people. After all that's the whole point of this curation system. Spread the love around, it's free! When you give, you'll receive more in return. And I can remember how happy I was with the first votes I got, it's magical!

But if I would have a big stake I wouldn't selfvote at all.

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I'm sorry I didn't not know he was self voting, thank you for bringing it to our attention. I have been upvoting this account and engaging.

I don't believe I have received an upvote from them or engagement. But I do not expect return upvote I like to support a few big accts to grow as they have been helping other accounts.

I do not self vote, I have tried setting up another account to help vote others but it wasn't isn't very successful and I haven't brought it onto hive. I can't be bothered.

One day perhaps it will be strong enough to do a little bit for for now, not much.

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I believe to a degree self-voting is ok. Probably up to 20% or so. From 20% to 35-40% it's more like a yellow light, if I see that rate. Above 40% I would probably consider it an abuse.

In my earlier blockchain blogging activity, I used to upvote my daily blogs at 100%. On the justification: "if I don't like my own posts, why should anyone else?". I don't think I crossed 20%, ever (at some point I used to check these stats), because I only post once a day and the rest of usually 9 full votes-worth of upvotes were spread to others.

Now I never manually upvote my own posts. The only self-votes I receive are when a curation trail I follow upvotes my posts, and that is usually less than a 20% self-vote.

But if there is no abuse, I don't judge.

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I always thought we should not upvote ourselves since STEEM time. Well, I can't stop others, and my upvote does not weight much, it's no point to upvote myself either. My natural instance leaning toward negative.

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> Cub, CUB , cubs, cubs... CUBS everywhere. Every second post.
I'm starting to get tired of this.

lol THIS AMAZING START TO CHANGING THE TOPIC to cub Finance
WTF These topic
+ How to stake CUB
+ How to get high APY in cub finance
+ how to connect CUB with BSC
you are the amazing man changing the Taste NOW.....!!!

I am the one Peron maybe who can't understand This Farming
fuck Offffffffffff
i LOVE LEO.

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What does the second image mean? im not sure how to interpret. But obviously 471 people agree with you, and I aswell never intend to upvote myself, and when I do, I intend to correct that mistake if possible.
thanks for making this post. I just wonder what their line of thinking is.

Thank you for making this kind of post @onealafa, a debate was opened and I was able to read the various opinions. Building on decentralized networks has the complexity of making the society work collaboratively to be really prosperous.

My vote does not have much value but I will take this experience as a reflection to be fairer, I will also follow more people to have a wider feed.

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Though, I don't self-vote, I don't mind self-voting only if it is in balance and upvotes are also distributed with honesty among others' deserving posts as well.

I believe, sooner or later, you start getting others' upovtes if you're sharing something useful, something good.

I think, it is more time consuming for whales/leaders-of-the-tribe-s/higher-power-holders to write and then self-vote if they are looking for some earnings, isn't it more easier way for them to vote good posts and earn in the process in less time... Just my thoughts, though.

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I have never been a fan of greed or selfishness, and I don't recommend self-voting as an approach to yield great returns either, even though it's obviously a superb way to maximize your profits quickly.

However, I am a huge fan of paying-it-forward, which is why many of my previous projects and initiatives have been working solely from a "charity" point of view, where I've actually lost tokens personally to spread them across the community users instead. I didn't self-vote at all for a very long time, but I have started to self-vote occasionally since I joined LeoFinance.

When I personally think that my contributions deserves a bit more rewards compared to what I've been rewarded, I simply use my ~0.25 LEO worth of votes on myself. I figured that my contributions are worth that much, at least. That being said, I would never self-vote instead of spreading the wealth on others, as I am a true believer in having a strong and healthy community. That is how we will have a sturdy foundation to build upon in the future.

My point is that self-voting is totally fine and I am okay with that, but I want people to focus more on others, because that is how we will eventually flourish. 1-2 self-votes out of 10 is totally fine. 7-8 self-votes out of 10 is definitely not an approach I would ever endorse, and I usually ignore such users.

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In the beginning, I did self vote but I didn't know what I was doing by then. Sometime after, I was upvoting myself If I had to go out or go to sleep and my VP was 100% to not waste it. And finally, I changed that for voting comments in posts so I reward engagement somehow. But lately, I stopped voting myself.

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Unfortunately the autovote is an old question. I wish I didn't do it, but if I don't do it, I hardly get anything. In addition to English, other languages are not highly valued here. I hope one day I will have enough to not need to autovote. For now it helps me in the return of what I invested, in order to be able to invest more, and eventually to help Brazilians who enter here nothing in the network, because many leave for earning practically nothing of curatorship. Anyway, congratulations for the curators and work here on the network! I hope everyone can grow!

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I'm reading this post only now after 4 days. To be honest, I was once a person doing self votes. Whenever I write a post, I used to vote myself. I was thinking that it was the culture over here especially when I saw many people doing it.

Now, it has been nearly a year since I stopped doing self voting on my posts. Now I actually regret for voting myself before a year. Today I see self voting as a very bad thing.

Sometimes my post perform well and sometimes my posts will not yield me good rewards but I just take it on a positive note and work towards writing more quality contents.

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very nice and informative post @onealfa! I also used to self vote my posts but later realize it's not right morally. So, sometimes ago I restricted myself from self voting and started curating manually. I play splinterlands a lot and have some SPT and NEOXAG staked so I started curating posts containing those tags. Staking LEO is my next mission :)

In my early days, I have seen this self voting issue in steem. To me, it's not illegal but immoral. Moreover, when you manually curate more and more people, you get recognised slowly which will further help your account and that's more than self voting.

Very nice post friend. Stay happy and keep posting!

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Dear @onealfa, the selfvote is an old story and i never used it just for a simple rule, which is logic in my head, anyone write a post looking for appreciation, but if someone just upvote himself to get more visibility, this is not fair, promotion is the way to use, not selfvote...

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Tbh as a minnow(small user) I used to get votes from big whales on steemit blockchain 3 years ago. I came back to hive this year, started posting a little. I get no engagement on my posts like before. Since my posts are being left alone, I feel less motivated to post anything. This community seems to be not active as it was before early steem days, where everyone used to interact with each other irrespective of their HP. Just my thought.

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How I can Withdraw my earnings from leofinance.io

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Few years ago I stopped self voting and opted to only receive curation rewards. I'm happy with the way i handled things. It's probably been years since you could find a self-vote from me. I was in no way the 1st to practice this. Those who came before set a great example.

I appreciate you do this research and keep an eye on things as the biggest stakeholder. I don't even consider curation as a real investment source in the same way I use CUB or Splinterlands. I've learned so much on Hive & this is a great community filled with awesome people. In my mind the curation is actually just a bonus I get for participation.

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I'm proud about the way I've handled so far. I haven't paid too much attention how I vote. I just vote and have autovoting setup just in case I don't login for some time.

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I thought if you voted for yourself it got burnt....anyways interesting post!

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its sad people read and support only leofinance(leo and cub etc) related articles
pls support other writers leo community

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I confess that the first thing I did was to go to my last post and self-vote to see how this works. By the way, a post from which I expected more, but that's the beehive. I share the vision of @onealfa greed and selfishness reflected in this action and at those levels. I think you should be careful about these practices and keep learning, as I have done with this post. I love Hive and LEO with their financial specialization and we must continue to create, share and support each other with conscience and sincere love, vote as you would like to be voted for you, thanks for the lesson.

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i never self upvote, i dont need to pat myself on the back for good work done. i leave that up to the community to decide
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Shame they feel the need to try and cheat the system.

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Sangat bermanfaat

I remember when the blockchain was so strict against self votes. Something near 10% was also considered abuse. I don't know what happened, but that amazing stand took a fall. I don't see people caring too much about self-votes anymore. I see a lot of people who are heavily invested do the same things that the pre-fork haejin account was doing, and even so more blatantly. If I go to say something, I could be bombarded with DV for the rest of my blockchian journey. It just sickens me, that when someone else did it- it was abuse, but now self-vote isn't destroying the reward pool and not effecting the trending page or not abuse?

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This post deserves a vote, for sure.

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Selfvoting is annoying. I only get self votes if a curation trail follows me which is quite often, but hivetasks tells me it is only 0.49% so I will accept that and save the hassle of removing this.

I like to vote even more for commenting if I am honest. If someone made a decent comment on your story, that deserves even more than a quick skim over a large story.

The stats you are showing are kinda brutal indeed, but you know..greed feeds the brain of people dude

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I've accidentally upvoted myself twice since starting Hive and in the same vein accidentally flagged myself and someone else too. Had to unflag quick.
My hand-eye coordination isn't what it used to be.

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> IGNORE lists

Straight!

So we can also self vote? Thank you for the information. I'm newbie in here.

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Oh my! My eyes are spinning! LOL
I will reblog this post to inspire others! (^_^)
Keep it up, buddy! I envy you for the support that you have...

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Some great points and insight on this article thanks for writing it up!

I know that this post is old at this point, but thank you very much for sharing. This is both eye opening and extremely disappointing.