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Question. How much does it take cost wise to make a new account now ?

3 STEEM which are burned (instead of transferred to the new account). This is a different question than how much it will need to transact. Just as before there is a a cost to account creation, but additional SP has to be delegated to the new account in order for it to transact to a meaningful degree. This is assuming that an Account Creation token isn't used, in which case the cost would be free. But purchasing Account Creation tokens will require far too many Resource Credits for this to be an option for individual users.

Here's the real question that needs to be answered:

How much will it cost in order to create an account which can make three posts a day and 15 comments?

I would be willing to negotiate on whether that is a "reasonable" amount to expect a new user to engage on a social network with, but it's the beginning of a discussion.

The problem is that nobody can answer that question. Not that nobody will answer that question, but that nobody can. Not even Steem Inc. can answer that question, because they clearly had no idea of what "intended use" was when they started setting up the RC system, haven't been able to communicate what their targets are, and the witnesses don't seem to be terribly interested in telling us what they think the standard use case should be/is. And that's a problem.

At this point, with the current tuning of the system, we might could generate some sort of approximation – but that information might be invalid tomorrow. @holger80 has been doing some incredibly good work with charting RC costs for various operations on the blockchain and I've been following it fairly closely, but I still don't think I can answer the question above.

What we need is some sort of stability introduced to the marketplace based on a clear idea of what the demand is, what the historical demand has been, and what the witnesses and Steemit Inc. want the delivery to be. That we just don't have.

Obviously it will cost more than 3 STEEM to create and power up an account to a level that enables basic interaction on the steem blockchain sufficient to engage enough in order to continue making enough operational income to get ahead at all. Until that number is well-defined, you would have to be a terrible fool to be onboarded users for your digital app only to not have them have enough RC to do anything with that application going forward, and as a developer you can't know how much you're going to have to invest in every single user that's on board.

That is not a situation where a savvy developer wants to get caught out.

very well said

> What we need is some sort of stability introduced to the marketplace based on a clear idea of what the demand is, what the historical demand has been, and what the witnesses and Steemit Inc. want the delivery to be. That we just don't have.

Obviously it will cost more than 3 STEEM to create and power up an account to a level that enables basic interaction on the steem blockchain sufficient to engage enough in order to continue making enough operational income to get ahead at all. Until that number is well-defined, you would have to be a terrible fool to be onboarded users for your digital app only to not have them have enough RC to do anything with that application going forward, and as a developer you can't know how much you're going to have to invest in every single user that's on board.

based on looking around at varying account's RC and their abilities (and seeing who is complaining about not being able to do anything and who isn't hehe)- it seems like 50 SP and above is really not having a hard time at all.

between 30-50 may be a sweet spot.

> between 30-50 may be a sweet spot.

But let's think about what that actually means.

Because of the current trading level, that means that a digital application going to on board a new user who wants to interact with a reasonable frequency on the blockchain is going to cost at least $33 US if we go with your lowest estimate.

There isn't a digital application on earth that can afford to burn $3 and give $30 to every single new user. It is simply unsustainable. That's the problem.

There isn't a blogging or microblogging platform on the entire Internet that can afford to give away $33 per user, because there isn't a blogging or microblogging platform on the Internet that makes $33 per user for every user that signs up, including the ones who don't ever use the service again after signing on. If you were to assume that you're going to charge the user $30 for the pleasure of using your platform, you have to compete with every other blogging platform, video platform, or whatnot available which they can use for cheaper.

None of these solutions are a recipe for success, and requiring that a platform take at the very minimum a $3 US loss per user, assuming that they simply delegate SP to the user until they're able to pay it back or through some other mechanism, is a death sentence.

Anybody that spent five minutes thinking about it knows that it's a death sentence.

If you're looking for the core problem of this whole architecture, right now, looking straight at it, that's the problem.

definitely true. that's certainly the problem.

i know in this post what stuck out to me most is that they're inquiring about subsidizing this problem. i agree it shouldn't be in the hands of the new dapps on the steem blockchain. previously within the old system with the original 15 SP allotment to new users, we didn't see this kind of low use threshold (and i know RC was created, in part, to allow for more accounts to be created than the previous 15 SP delegation, likely often from steemit itself, would have allowed for; scalability, as it says above^^) .. obviously the cost is more transparent now with RCs. who/what "ate up" (subsidized) the cost before if 15 SP could grant that much user activity? currently 15 SP isn't enough to grow an account.

I don't know the answers, but I am staying tuned to the conversation.

> who/what "ate up" (subsidized) the cost before if 15 SP could grant that much user activity? currently 15 SP isn't enough to grow an account.

Oh, that I can tell you without hesitation – the original 15 SP came out of the vast, vast, vast (did I mention vast?) @steem SP wallet. They tapped 15 SP to be delegated to every new account creation and of the daily creation costs barely moved the needle on how much SP remained in the pool. Eventually, for established accounts they stopped delegating that initial 15 SP and it returned to their wallet.

Now, anyone can create accounts – but the SP also has to come out of their pocket. Which is fine and even reasonable, but along with this requirement has come the fact that the minimum viable SP for basic engagement on the platform has gone up so every digital application that wants to on board users needs to have at least as much SP investment as they would like to bring users on at a reasonable pace times 20 or 30 – and I hope that you didn't want to actually use any of that investment money for paying yourselves, paying for services, or in fact anything else, because you won't be able to. You'll need it as the cushion to onboard new users.

And unlike Steem Inc., you won't have a vast reservoir of "ninja mined" (a term which I think is unsuitable but which others seem to like quite a lot) SP to bring users on with. You are going to have to acquire that SP, probably by bringing in real fiat currency in exchange.

And that is going to suck if you were thinking of developing a digital application on the steem blockchain.

This is a bigger problem than it looks like, even if you assume that the minimum viable SP for an account is 5 to 10 rather than the more reasonable 20 to 30 it looks like right now. I can't think of many projects with enough SP and enough SP coming in per month per new user to be able to afford to deploy for any users who don't already have accounts on the steem blockchain.

Imagine you're in that position. What would you decide?

I really had problems with this for several days when the Steemit Inc. writers were first describing it. It seemed like they were making a strong argument that we don't actually have enough resources to make Steem work.

Then I realized that they were making an unfounded assumption that resources have to be distributed linearly by stake. They really don't; most of us with significant stake don't need all the RCs we've been assigned. Distributing RCs more generously at the low end of stake and less generously at the top would largely solve the interaction problems.

Thinking about in terms of what basically becomes a $30 user acquisition cost is grim enough, but it’s even worse when the fact is the system will run out of Steem!

If it truly takes 15-30 SP to have a minimum viable user experience, then the Steem blockchain currently caps out at 10-20 million users. And that’s only if everyone dumps their stake and we secure a totally equitable distribution of the ~300 million Steem in existence! In truth, under these SP needs, we’re probably capped at 2-4 million active users.

Whatever needs to happen on a technological level, the goal should be clear. If Steem ever wants to touch the user base numbers of Reddit, Instagram, FB, etc.; accounts need to have a passable user experience when holding 1 SP or less.

> Whatever needs to happen on a technological level, the goal should be clear. If Steem ever wants to touch the user base numbers of Reddit, Instagram, FB, etc.; accounts need to have a passable user experience when holding 1 SP or less.

To do that, we'll need for the major stakeholders to decide, one way or another, if they want to be participating in a fintech crypto-commodity market or a functioning social network which uses a lightly distributed transaction ledger to keep score.

A crypto-commodity market can survive with the well under a million active users, even flourish. A social media system trying to compete with the network effects of Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter simply cannot.

The usual counterargument to this is that as the perceptual value of the social media network increases, the value of STEEM likewise increases and thus the user acquisition cost decreases proportionately. Which would be true – if growth was guaranteed. Unfortunately, the costs for developing digital applications on the steem blockchain are frontloaded and you need users now, not in five years. In five years if accounts were magically useful at 30 SP values, that might be a real cost of under a couple of cents per user. Perfectly bearable. But this is in five years of magical unicorn growth. It's now.

I'm not sure this is a problem that can ever be solved given this technology with a competitive edge. The underlying technology has costs and inefficiencies which are not actually being addressed by the RC system, only vaguely gestured at.

A more useful system would introduce a dynamic market which witnesses could set their own prices for transactions in based on their own network, storage, and CPU costs, with clients choosing who to do RC transactions with based on who is offering the best deal for a given commit time, but we'll never see that.

> How much will it cost .. three posts a day and 15 comments?

Post and comments are essentially the same so this is 18 posts+comments and answer to this (given the current state of the RC system; these numbers may change but probably not by a huge amount absent some design changes) is about 10-15 SP. It can be actual SP in the account or delegation.

> Post and comments are essentially the same so this is 18 posts+comments and answer to this (given the current state of the RC system; these numbers may change but probably not by a huge amount absent some design changes) is about 10-15 SP. It can be actual SP in the account or delegation.

Except that's not the whole answer, because on top of the basic charge for simply doing the post transaction, there is an additional charge on a per byte basis which increases the overall cost. What is "the target post/comment size?"

We don't know. And just as importantly, we don't know what it will be tomorrow because one of the major witness values is not only what the transaction cost is but what the per byte cost is.

Given the current state of the RC system, these numbers are probably going to change pretty drastically because the current state is definitely not what was intended and what is intended. If nothing else, the 1/10 cost declaration from the witnesses is very likely to slide up over the next month or two. At the very least.

I suspect that you probably can't get along with less than 20 to 25 SP at the current settings and I have no idea how high that's going to go up to in the future, because no one with the power to make that decision has had a conversation of where they want to see it go.

Doubt and instability are not good for encouraging investment, whether it be financial or personal interest.

> Except that's not the whole answer, because on top of the basic charge for simply doing the post transaction, there is an additional charge on a per byte basis which increases the overall cost

It is close. My estimates were for a 'moderate' size post or comment of 1-2 KB. For larger or smaller the numbers will vary. The per byte charge is pretty low and dropping, so the effect of size is becoming smaller.

> And just as importantly, we don't know what it will be tomorrow because one of the major witness values is not only what the transaction cost is but what the per byte cost is

These aren't currently adjustable by witnesses. The rules are fixed (absent a software upgrade), although the prices are determined by market/usage conditions so in that sense you can't know in advance, only estimate. C'est la vie.

> the 1/10 cost declaration from the witnesses is very likely to slide up over the next month or two

The pool formulas have a half life of a week, and they were pre-filled to 90%. As such it won't take that long. There is still some adjustment going on as things balance out but it isn't enormous. When the 1/10 as applied there was an immediate dramatic effect (15 SP accounts were limited to 1-2 comments previously). There will be further adjustment to equilibrium but only around the edges. For now it looks like the most significant change will be a smaller cost per-byte, reducing the importance of post or comment size.

> I suspect that you probably can't get along with less than 20 to 25 SP

It clearly depends on what you are trying to do. The same numbers won't work for everyone. (Also some differences for different apps.)

> It is close. My estimates were for a 'moderate' size post or comment of 1-2 KB. For larger or smaller the numbers will vary. The per byte charge is pretty low and dropping, so the effect of size is becoming smaller.

I'm not sure I've left a sub-2k post or reply more than 20% of the time I've been on this platform. Now, part of that is just because I'm comfortable with being verbose but part of it is because I like to actually have back-and-forth engagement.

The current per byte charge is fairly low and dropping, but that could be entirely different tomorrow. In fact, if other people's estimation of the impact of costs for node hosting are even in the same ballpark of reasonable, and they seem to be, then the current 1/10 RC cost adjustment is long-term untenable to do what the system is supposedly intended to accomplish – actually charge people in line with the amount of resources that they consume for using the platform. Given that the per byte charge has to include an assumed future cost not just for uploading the content and replicating it but serving it, it probably has to be adjusted upwards if we are to believe the system is to function as it's described.

As far as I'm concerned, that whole cost could go away – but it's not going to.

> These aren't currently adjustable by witnesses. The rules are fixed (absent a software upgrade), although the prices are determined by market/usage conditions so in that sense you can't know in advance, only estimate. C'est la vie.

That's funny. The most recent post by Steem Inc. was fairly explicit that the 1/10 RC adjustment was achieved without having to do a blockchain replay because the transaction costs were witness adjustable, and in fact were one of the things that witnesses are responsible for coming to a consensus on. Perhaps I misinterpreted or they misspoke, but it seemed pretty clear.

It would certainly be in line with the current design of how the witness node configuration is set up for such values to be witness-adjustable, so much so that it would be remarkable and noteworthy were they not. This might be an issue that you want to double check.

The relative unpredictability is one of the things that makes it less appealing for new users to engage with the system. As it stands, and as far as I know, no client which deals with engagement with the blockchain provides an estimated cost versus the resources that you have in your pocket before you commit a post or reply. This is sort of like going to the grocery store, leaving your wallet by the door, picking up stuff without prices marked, and walking out, hoping that you had enough in there so that they'll let you leave.

Or, in other words, it's a situation that no sane person would engage in if they care about whatever it is they're doing. And it's a scenario that Steem Inc. knew about as long as they've known what they were going to implement in hardfork 20 and should've known that it was a bad design decision multiplied by not getting engaged with the popular clients in getting them on board with setting things up so that user expectations and user experience was maintained and cultivated.

> The pool formulas have a half life of a week, and they were pre-filled to 90%. As such it won't take that long. There is still some adjustment going on as things balance out but it isn't enormous. When the 1/10 as applied there was an immediate dramatic effect (15 SP accounts were limited to 1-2 comments previously). There will be further adjustment to equilibrium but only around the edges.

They were prefilled to 90%, and that was in no way anywhere near what was necessary to allow continued function of the blockchain, which should have been obvious from even cursory testing. Others have mentioned that some of those involved with the testing provided feedback that the pool formulas were flawed and functioning wouldn't be able to continue.

And yet…

It's impossible to tell me that "there is still some adjustment going on is things balance out but it is an enormous" on the heels of costs being modified by an order of magnitude and people still reporting that the vast teeming underclass still has insufficient access to participate in what is ostensibly intended to be a social network.

You are absolutely correct that when the 1/10 was applied there was an immediate dramatic effect – but everything that has come down from on high suggests that the more restricted resource environment is what is intended because some of the side effects are thought to be beneficial. Telling me that "there will be further adjustment to equilibrium but only around the edges" in the wake of an order of magnitude adjustment to costs are just words.

They mean very little to me as a user, but they fly directly in the face of experience for someone who was developing a digital application for this blockchain. Having an entirely new set of mechanics dropped on and dropped in, breaking content generation for a week, adjusting costs by an order of magnitude along the way, and then having someone say "further adjustments are coming but I'm sure they're going to be small" is high comedy.

I'm firmly of the belief that more changes are inbound but they won't be just around the edges. The entire mechanic has to be examined and a much broader description of intent has to be published if anyone wants investors or application developers to be secure in deploying their resources to this blockchain.

That's not my problem, thankfully. I would've done my best to avoid this in the first place.

> no client which deals with engagement with the blockchain provides an estimated cost versus the resources that you have in your pocket before you commit a post or reply.

You are correct to my knowledge. I'm not a UI developer, but I would imagine that some are working on this.

> the current 1/10 RC cost adjustment is long-term untenable to do what the system is supposedly intended to accomplish – actually charge people in line with the amount of resources that they consume for using the platform

It is a valid perspective. I am undecided on this and still evaluating it.

> but everything that has come down from on high suggests that the more restricted resource environment is what is intended because some of the side effects are thought to be beneficial

Maybe so, but to my reading this post didn't say that. It read as more balanced to me, expressing a desire to want to balance growth and usability with resource sustainability. Easier said than don't, to be clear.

> The most recent post by Steem Inc. was fairly explicit that the 1/10 RC adjustment was achieved without having to do a blockchain replay because the transaction costs were witness adjustable

What they meant was that this could be accomplished by witnesses updating their software to 20.5 (from 20.4) and it did not require an immediate replay to have some corrective effect (but all witnesses did eventually perform a replay to avoid certain edge cases). This is distinct from witness parameters (such as the new account fee) which can be updated without a software update.

This particular update did not require all non-witness nodes (such as those used by exchanges) to update, although some nodes (such as those used by the steemit.com web site) did indeed need to update and replay.

> They were prefilled to 90%, and that was in no way anywhere near what was necessary to allow continued function of the blockchain

I think you are referring to the original pre-1/10 situation. In that case, the issue was not one of prefilling (which both versions did) but simply that the budgets were too low. As you state above, it is not really clear (at this juncture) whether the budgets are sustainable. In any case the pre-filling to 90% doesn't change the long-term equilibrium, it only helps get there faster (otherwise we would have to wait weeks for the pools to fill).

> Telling me that "there will be further adjustment to equilibrium but only around the edges" in the wake of an order of magnitude adjustment to costs are just words

What I'm saying is that the formulas adjust over a period of days to weeks, and we can see that rate at which they are adjusting. So large adjustments from here absent code changes or dramatic changes in usage appear not terribly likely.

> "further adjustments are coming but I'm sure they're going to be small" is high comedy

Again, I am referring to the automatic adjustments. Adjustments in the form of code changes may very well not be small.

> I'm firmly of the belief that more changes are inbound but they won't be just around the edges. The entire mechanic has to be examined

I will not dispute that point at all. Generally speaking I agree with it.

> You are correct to my knowledge. I'm not a UI developer, but I would imagine that some are working on this.

In a better world, they would have been working on it for the last month – or longer, given how much work this last hardfork really needed. In this world not so much.

Since Beem has implemented methods to make the RC status near trivially visible, I expect that visibility to become extremely widespread in short order. Now, whether it will be interpretable easily in short order – that's a different issue.

I'm not sure I can easily interpret it at this point and I'm a long way from a casual layperson. Is this going to be something that we can easily expose to a new user who always has the choice of walking away and going to Twitter, Facebook, or even Medium if they want to get paid for their work? It'd be nice if someone had asked that question soon enough for user facing clients to come up with an answer.

> It is a valid perspective. I am undecided on this and still evaluating it.

Your position really does hinge on a more fundamental question: Is it reasonable to charge people to access this platform if your intent is to get more people to access this platform?

From where I sit, you always get more of what you reward and you get less of what you punish. Charging people is a punishment. If you charge people to engage with your social network, you get less people. If you're in a situation where you are far away overwhelmed with more people than you can possibly service, you can afford to charge people to get in. If you're in a situation where you want people to come into your service, then you need to figure out a way to pay them in a direct and clear fashion. Not the promise of potential paying but gratification immediately of an order higher than what they are giving up to use your service.

If the message from Steem Inc. was "the rate at which we are getting new users is just too damn high, to the point where we cannot provide support to our developers and our digital applications folk are absolutely swamped with people, so we're going to start charging more to use the platform" – if that was the message and I believed it, I would accept that the RC system is a pretty good compromise on amortizing the costs across the user base.

But that is the opposite message from what we are being and have been told. We are being told that the developers want to aggressively grow the user base, that quality content as opposed to spam is something that everybody wants and we need to encourage.

So we're going to charge people for the opportunity to increase our stake in the platform with no guarantee to them?

That's what I hear compared to what I see.

From what I gather, I'm not the only one that hears and sees those things.

> Maybe so, but to my reading this post didn't say that. It read as more balanced to me, expressing a desire to want to balance growth and usability with resource sustainability. Easier said than don't, to be clear.

I would counter that by saying if they didn't expect resource limitation to have beneficial side effects, why implement a system which is entirely about manifesting resource limitations? It's inherent to the action.

And let me be clear, in this case the resource I'm referring to is literally the RC and while I recognize that the resources more broadly being discussed as sustainable are network/storage/computation – those are not the problems of the user, those are the problem of the witnesses.

Which is another reason that the RC mechanic strikes me as wrongheaded. If the witnesses want more pay for providing the service they do then they need to talk to Steem Inc. about getting a larger slice of the reward pool or otherwise getting more funding. If this is really about the sustainability of maintaining the platform in that sense, then it makes little sense to put the onus on the people whose activity actually creates the value for the platform.

A system which focused on letting the witnesses set a price for servicing the transactions for the blockchain in a given time period would put its finger directly on that problem and solving it. But that's not what the RC system does.

Maybe the problem is mine for assuming that people implement systems which are designed to solve the problem they tell me they want to solve. That could be on me. But I don't think it is.

> What they meant was that this could be accomplished by witnesses updating their software to 20.5 (from 20.4) and it did not require an immediate replay to have some corrective effect (but all witnesses did eventually perform a replay to avoid certain edge cases). This is distinct from witness parameters (such as the new account fee) which can be updated without a software update.

That's definitely not what I remember them saying, but it might be so.

The scattershot delivery is a long way from being reassuring.

> What I'm saying is that the formulas adjust over a period of days to weeks, and we can see that rate at which they are adjusting. So large adjustments from here absent code changes or dramatic changes in usage appear not terribly likely.

It looks like we've dropped to about half the active posting this week compared to last week. Part of that is going to be because of the time that replays ate, part of that is going to be because of the general uncertainty – but given the historical account retention rate and the probable impact of new accounts being created without SP and there not currently being any vendors creating accounts with a basic supply of SP, I wouldn't expect content creation to go up anytime soon.

Dramatic changes in usage look like they are underway. How long before they become obvious… That's a different question altogether.

I'm curious how the new account creation system and largely increased costs are going to affect content creation over the next month. Last I checked, there was still some question about where witnesses were going to price account creation, but given that the initial staking of a new account to have enough RC to do anything meaningful on the blockchain is going to dwarf the price of creating the account in the first place, it may not matter much where that gets positioned as long as RC costs are notable.

> I will not dispute that point at all. Generally speaking I agree with it.

I'll go further and say that I don't believe that they will go through all the trouble of getting the RC system installed and not use it. The only use for it is to limit interaction with the blockchain more aggressively than the old pure SP system, so that's what's going to happen. They seem to be clinically allergic to the idea of increasing the cost of doing financial transactions on the blockchain, and reasonably so if they intend one of the significant uses to be fintech and low fees and overheads are absolutely essential to being able to sell it in that role, so that heavy use has to be more focused on limiting user access to the social network side of things. They tip their hand when they refer to freemium offerings and this being a freemium blockchain at multiple times.

The only time you refer to something as freemium is when you expect people to be willing to pay for it. A game can be freemium because people are willing to pay for the experience, but the original videogame pioneers in that space have discovered that competition is fierce if one of your competitors simply appears to be free and of equal quality.

Twitter, Facebook, Minds, Gab – they all are essentially free for however much use you want to give them. Medium is attempting to play to the freemium model, but there are significant questions about their level of success and they have a far more established reputation as a provider of content people want to go to than the steem blockchain.

If the RC model is to be maintained, someone has to decide who is going to be charged for what – and that decision should have been made before the mechanic was implemented. If it was, that hasn't been communicated. If it hasn't been, that represents a massive failure.

And that's where we find ourselves, unpleasantly enough.

From my perspective, the basic mechanic is just wrong. It makes assumptions about human behavior and social network activity which are absolutely not borne out by observation. The side effects are not going to be positive, or rather it may be more accurate to say that the side effects are going to be to limit the small fry spammers and encourage the medium to large spammers to convert more of the resources that they are getting into SP to stay ahead of the curve. Bots already attempt to minimize their voting profile in order to maximize how much voting power and SP they can bring in exchange for people competing for the opportunity for the bot to spend VP to swing it's SP to support them. If anything, bots get advantaged in this environment. So small users with small footprints get disadvantaged, small spammers get disadvantaged, and bot swarms get a slight advantage. Even a cursory examination gives me a negative feeling.

> Those are not the problems of the user, those are the problem of the witnesses

In fact it is not only the witnesses. It is everyone who wants to run a node which is most exchanges (who want to operate their own nodes for security reasons), some app operators, some large investors (for similar reasons as exchanges), and Steemit Inc (who operate, at considerable expense, public nodes upon which most users, including those of most third party apps, rely). The costs of scaling are not only monetary but also operational (e.g. given the current technology, replay time can not be reduced meaningfully by spending more money on hardware).

Witnesses and developers are in a position of trying to balance the wants and needs of all participants. That includes social platform users but it is not only social platform users.

These are not always easy decisions. Your analysis and views are appreciated.

> It looks like we've dropped to about half the active posting this week compared to last week

How do you measure how much of that is meaningful vs. absolutely worthless spam?

> Witnesses and developers are in a position of trying to balance the wants and needs of all participants. That includes social platform users but it is not only social platform users.

So what's the intended value of the steem blockchain absent the social platform?

This is why I explicitly separated the discussion of intent of blockchain-as-fintech versus blockchain-as-social-network, because you cannot serve two masters.

The needs of steem for fintech are low transaction costs, high reliability, high availability, and steady predictable value. They want to keep transaction costs low and, under the RC system, that means keeping the RC cost low while the burdens of valuation for keeping the network running get subsidized by social network transactions. But concentrating on fintech means that they have to compete with other fintech crypto-commodities, which they don't have the penetration, the name, or the traction to really do.

However, the needs of steem for being a distributed social media platform database run the opposite direction. You want to encourage people to engage with the social media system, because that actually generates value. It reifies work. To do so you have to make it very inexpensive or free to engage positively with the network. You get what you encourage. Keeping the costs of agent to agent transactions low is not really important; in fact, they become an easy dumping point because they are extremely rare between users of social media network. It makes sense, in a quantized environment, for a social media network platform to make transferring tokens from one agent to another an expensive operation in a relative sense.

For a fintech blockchain, costs of entry can be relatively high. Because the participants are already interested in exchanging some kind of tokenized value, charging a bit for getting into the system is reasonable because it's expected that the cost of entry will be negligible compared to potential profit or at least utility.

For a social network database, it is the strict converse. Cost of entry has to be extremely low, just like cost of participation. Value is generated with content, because people come to a social network to experience content. Making it more expensive either for individuals or for applications to get people in and creating and consuming content is a failure mode.

The steem blockchain has been pushed by hardfork 20 and specifically the implementation of the RC system to not only make the decision but because of the nature of the mechanic, to pick what it wants to be and how it wants to function.

That's the decision they've already made in the situation they've created for themselves. If we are to observe and analyze based on what they've implemented, would have to come to the conclusion that they are more interested in being a fintech company than a social media company.

As someone who is far more interested in the social media architecture than in the fintech side of things, where there is a lot more interesting competition, I'm not exactly thrilled.

I find it interesting that the list of people who are interested in running a node from your perspective who aren't witnesses are almost entirely only going to be interested in the fintech side of things. Exchanges, transparently so. Large investors. Only the digital app operators and developers have a clear stake (pun fully intended) in the development and evolution of the social media side of things. Steemit Inc. themselves don't seem to give much of a fig either way. Publicly.

(Of course, if I were an exchange, I would absolutely want to be running at least one witness node and campaigning to be a top 20 witness because it would be in my best interest to have some say in the monetary policy. Likewise any large investor who is so invested as to care about running their own node for security reasons; that it is extremely secure and they have good reason to keep it so would be a strong reason to publicize being a witness.)

These are, in fact, pretty easy decisions. All they require is deciding what you want and then acting on that decision.

You are too kind in saying that my analysis and views are appreciated. Believe me, I have no illusions about how much use my enjoyment in doing basic analysis of social network architectures and blockchain systems is appreciated. I have long resigned myself to the fact that what I think doesn't make a bit of difference.

It's really quite freeing.

But I'll keep at it as long as there is something interesting to poke at. I would like people to make decisions which kept there being something to poke at but it's becoming increasingly doubtful that those decisions are going to be made.

It's a shame, but life is life.

> So what's the intended value of the steem blockchain absent the social platform?

Well, I'm somewhat guessing because despite being a witness and investor I have not all that much (if any) more visibility into the development priorities than you or anyone else. However, it seems with SMTs the goal is to serve as a host for a variety of applications that won't necessarily all (or any) work in quite the same was as steemit.com. We see that even now with the third party apps (which are explicitly supported by Steemit Inc. using delegation). For example, dtube does not host its video content on the blockchain for obvious reasons. Its posts consist primarily of an (small) IPFS locator. Thus its goals tilt more toward efficient content discovery and token distribution (via voting) than the more-hosted-content-focused steemit.com. Dlive, before they few the coop, had well-developed functions for tipping, which seems important in the streaming market. I'm sure there are others, but those are the two that immediately come to mind.

Similarly, SMTs will support token distribution through voting, but also automated and decentralized ICOs, so they may have a role to play in crowdfunding and fundraising. Likewise there are SMT features to support token liquidity. I guess all that may fit more in the fintech mold.

Steemit.com/condenser quite obviously has not gotten much in the way of platform development love over the past two years, so one might surmise that Steemit Inc. does not view it as a particularly high priority. Maybe they would rather focus on the blockchain and invite others to build the applications (which obviously fits with both their support of apps via delegation and SMTs).

None of which fully addresses the question of whether the blockchain should have more of a social media or a fintech focus. And further I'm not entirely convinced that there is a bright line distinction. For example, Venmo, has a social component. Social platforms increasingly have payment and financial functions.

Let's keep one more thing in mind. Exchanges and investors, while they may specifically be more of the fintech world, are also essential to the incentivized social model of steem/it, because they enable liquidity to the rewards and sustain their value. So I don't really see how you can fully separate the two. Indeed, the original hyperinflationary model of Steem (not sure if you were around or are familiar with it) made sense more from the social side. It aimed, in large part, to support the costs of the system by collecting (implicit) transactions fees from exchanges and investors. It turned out that investors hated it, to the point where the entire viability of the platform was at stake. One, of course, can't be sure that other approaches to "investors pay" couldn't work, but it suggests caution.

To be clear, I didn't claim nor intend to suggest that your views would necessarily make much difference. Mine mostly don't either. I do value the exchange of ideas.

Depends what you mean by transact. An empty account can make about 23 transfers in 5 days so if the purpose of the account is to save or spend STEEM/SP/SBD (with a modest pace of activity), that may easily be enough. For using any of the social apps it probably isn't enough, although even that is enough to lurk, make the very occasional comment, and/or place a few (2-3) votes per day (which would express opinion but not count toward rewards since the account has 0 SP).

Thanks so much, it's working good. but i have a question : why with 64 SP I have 0 power voting? COULD YOU .. PLEASE HAVE A LOOK IN MY ACCOUNT. MERCI @steemminder

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I think what he means is why his vote is worth 0 cents. To answer that: I think you need around 100SP to give away a cent. Keep working and you get there! Btw that's not bad. I remember in 2016 just after Steem Fest 1 I had 9000SP and it was the first time I could give away a cent. I was so happy that day (it was different times though).

Oh yeah, that makes more sense. Thanks!

Wow @exyle, that's crazy. What do you speculate the Steem price to be 2 years from now?

Also worth considering that just about everything in Steem is a team effort to an extent. Even if you don't have enough on your own, votes from multiple users combined can add up to enough.

You need at least 125 SP to have a value of 0.01 at 100% Upvote.

That encouragement 😀👍

@exyle ...wow! I'm so surprised and inspired to work.

But 100 upvotes of zero value

Votes don't have zero value just because they round down to 0.00 on the display. That just means the vote is worth less than 0.005, not necessary zero. Combined with other votes it can add up to 0.01 or more.

Imagine Steem/it gets to the point where there are millions or even billions of users. Each vote will probably not be worth 0.01 by itself but millions of votes on popular/viral/influencer content may still add up to a lot money.

Thanks very much for enlightening me on this dark subject. I fully understand, now.
Dust votes do add up to something. I was misinformed on the matter.

None of the upvotes have zero value. Below 1 cent upvotes are just not displayed. Combined upvotes from small accounts will add up. You can actually go over the dust threshold and get payed that way.

Thanks for explaining me the dust vote mechanism. I was misinformed on that matter.

With the present value of Steem your vote (60SP at 100%MP) is worth 0$. you check MP value here https://steemnow.com/upvotecalc.html

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thanks! but how many SP i have to get to have voting power right now?

It's worth more than 0$, but it's rounded down for 0.00$

Got it. Thanks!

The RC system still needs a little bit of work. Post and comments need to be separated out, and separate from each other. they are two different aspects of steemit. Once the separation is complete then constraints need to be put in place. The vast majority of spam comes in the form of comments. As I suggested in a comment to @paulag there needs to be a timer put on them:
> Example second post in less than 2 hours cost twice as much RC to post, third one in less than two hours after the second one then four times the cost of the second.

That would take care of some of the rapid fire posting. Two hour time frame is a reasonable time frame, this will I understand hurt things like the pull into steem apps stream2steem or whatever they are called. So not rapid fire twitter recast or steepshot recast or things of that nature. The app designers will just have to look at the time frames.

>To really do away with the comment spam, second comment in less than 3 sec's ten times the cost, 3 in less than 6 sec's from the first 100 times the cost. end of bot spam. This would of course seriously curtail the ability of any vote bots to have their advertisement show on the post that paid for their use but, such is life, the bot's would still be able to vote, and that is one thing that should not have a time limit because of curation trails and bot votes.

This will no likely cause a lot more kick back than the posting issues, but the vote bots can adjust their commands to comment only once every 2 or three minutes.

Just a couple of thoughts.

what if someone creates a twitter clone where people would like to share stuff every minute? The blockchain steem was made for all kind of dapps, not only steemit.com.

Steemit does not control the blockchain, RC's are for steemit. It is my understanding that Dapps will have to pay their own way on the chain. So if a dapp wants to create a twitter resteamer, then the dapp and dapp user are going to have to pay the RC cost of the posting. They have not been silenced it just that it cost them more to post. "I had eggs for breakfast. What did you have" with a picture of their breakfast.

No, RCs are for all Steem DApps. Nothing is specific to steemit.com. A transaction on steemit.com will cost just as much in RCs as the same transaction on another Steem DApp like a twitter clone.

I thought that was what I said:
> Steemit does not control the blockchain, RC's are for steemit

But I see where I did not word it well, in that sentence. I tried to explain it via:
> So if a dapp wants to create a twitter resteamer, then the dapp and dapp user are going to have to pay the RC cost of the posting.

At least this is the way I understood how the RC's worked. The dapp or the user was going to have to pay the RC cost. So if a person wants to do 30 twitter type quick little post, they or their dapp provider is going to bear the RC cost, and not be subsidised so to speak. Just as a Steemit user needs to pay the RC cost for their posting.

There is no exclusiveness for steemit.com. It is a simple dapp which interacts with the blockchain like any other dapp (d.tube, steepshot, busy) and they have no more rights to interact with the steem blockchain. The Hardfork introduced RC´s which are a system wide upgrade. Every dapp needs to deal with the Resource Credits now.

See reply to andrarchy, I did not word that very well at all, and did not mean to imply that only steemit had RC's. Any post, vote, comment or transaction is going to cost RC's, and it does not matter what front end or application is used.

That sounds like a terrible idea. Unless people can eventually use the network however they want, it's all a waste of time.

The future is not a BBC, in fact, the future probably looks more like Twitter/Facebook/Snapchat/Vine than a 10 000 word BLOG

The most valuable content for on STEEM so far has been short. Every "high quality" post I've found is plagued by long-winded tl;dr'ness that only makes sense to steemit curation teams and completely misses the mark in terms of internet view ability and value.

My 2c: the same message, conveyed in the least words possible, is way more valuable than the same message with all sorts of word-sugaring.

We're already dealing with 10's of thousands of people who actually read over their posts and look at how they can make it longer for steemit, which is totally nonsense since to make a more valuable post you should normally try and condense it without losing info.

A sad state of affairs and one that it looks like these decisions might drive deeper into our psychology if we're not careful.

Posts and comments are almost identical from the perspective of the blockchain. Each is a transaction that is being submitted and that costs are almost the same. In some ways posts have more cost (they are usually larger) and for other technical reasons, with the same content, comments can have slightly higher cost.

Trying to put timers on accounts as a mechanism to control abuse does not work. The abusers will set up multiple accounts and round-robin between then to evade the limit. At the same time, responsible non-abusing users won't do this and will be the ones whose experience is made worse by the limits (which is exactly what we saw with the previous 30 second limit on comments).

I did not realize time limits had been tried before. I know at one time there was a time limit you need to wait 20 seconds before voting, but I was not sure about for comments or posting.

It was 3 seconds for voting, 20 seconds for commenting, 5 minutes for posting.

Still no answer for this type of abuse on the trending feed. 🤷🏽‍♂️ IJS

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Mr Bernie and other Steem reputable folks can handle that kind of abuse.
> every user is allowed to use their stake however they want some will use it for selfish purposes

From a whale 🐋 and witness.

Why should it be left to a handful of people. Everybody should get involved, no matter size of account.

Great Team! Excellent jobs! Your sincere considerations for we the Newbies is highly encouraging and commendable. Similarly, you guys democratic approachs and giving sense of belonging to the Community Members demonstrates respects to the populace and underscore the Teams great Leadership qualities. In every settings, such gestures not only makes Us stronger, but unites, breed happiness and stability. I will only appeal to everyone of us to rally round the Team, encourages them for the betterment of Our Community. I humbly appeal to Us all to kindly take no liberty for granted. Weldone guys and more wisdom , strengths and resources to doing more. Cheers!

The only way to end that is to end vote bots. To end vote bots is to tell people they can not sell their vote. Ending vote bots also would end curation trails. They are so entwined now that unraveling them would be difficult. If you do not like it you could always go to the bot seller or the curation trail runner and ask that they not provide a service to blah blah blah person. They may or may not agree or see eye to eye with your opinion. After all the bots are about making money, the curation trails are about making money, steemit is about making money. We all have to look at ourselves and decide at what point we are taking advantage of others, like real society there will always be people that given the opportunity will seek out and use every loophole they can. We just need to live with it, and there is always the mute button if you ever grow to tired of seeing any particular individuals post.

The guy doesn't use bots. Second time on this thread you've given answers which prove you don't understand the problem you are trying to solve.

The account in the picture is being upvoted by a whale with large stake. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with vote selling... lol

"But our pitch forks don't work that way."

I do know who the individual in the image was and where he gets his largest vote. I also did not assume he was just pointing a finger at one person but at the Trending page in general. I myself see the trending page generally as mostly large payouts being from vote bid bots, I do know not all of them are. Also I do not disagree with the use of bid bots, if a person want to use the tools available to promote themselves then they are free to do so.

I have no issues at all with voting, up or down, buy or selling or even self voting. Steemit gave people the vote to do with as they please.

I have a bit better understanding after @andrarchy and @smooth tried to explain things. I am not "trying to solve", I was simply offering an outside the cubical point of view, and possible solution. If a person has an idea on how to fix his problem concerning the trending page, the only way to get people to see the idea and allow it to be evaluated is to put it out there. Which is what I did. Thank you for your comment.

He dropped a million and hasn't sold his initial stake, so he's definitely buoyed the price for the rest of us.

Those are issues not of resource use but of voting consensus. If people don't like those contributions being rewarded they need to downvote them (and/or upvote other things)

What if you downvote those things and end up with a -12 reputation?

You can always use bots to get the rep back. Or fellow users :)

Even the most popular accounts on Youtube would find it nearly impossible to trend twice in one day. Some of them are multimillionaire recording artists known all over the planet.

I've suggested this before: Steemit should be limiting trending slots to ONE per account. That same publisher can still consistently trend, but only their most popular post at the time should appear on the trending list. Everyone can still work towards maintaining their spot, trying to one up themselves with each publication, but a limit to one per account would open up far more slots for everyone else to have a chance at. This doesn't hurt anyone. Having more of a variety on that page would encourage more eyes to focus on it.

Good idea!

The aggressive manipulators, including the one being highlighted here, would certainly use multiple accounts to fill up the trending page that way. You would get the illusion of diversity, but no real substance.

In truth, I don't see anything all that bad about limiting trending slots to one per account, because as you say (and I agree) it should almost never happen organically. However, I have little to no belief it would make a substantive difference.

Creating the illusion of popularity is easy to see through.

The creation of a new section: Peoples Choice

When accounts voting match a certain criteria, the post moves up the ladder. Minority accounts like those with the highest SP can vote, but their vote wouldn't count towards positioning, only rewards. Small accounts virtually inactive aside from upvoting wouldn't count towards positioning. Paid for votes wouldn't count towards positioning. Only proven curators showing human behavior could contribute to positioning.

Remember the 'active' tab? That would be a nice feature to have back as well. I don't think I'm the only one here who can have over 100 legitimate comments under posts and still go virtually unnoticed.

> Minority accounts like those with the highest SP can vote, but their vote wouldn't count towards positioning, only rewards. Small accounts virtually inactive aside from upvoting wouldn't count towards positioning. Paid for votes wouldn't count towards positioning. Only proven curators showing human behavior could contribute to positioning

Sounds good in theory but probably not one of those things can be reliably detected by an algorithm without people figuring out how to spoof it.

> Remember the 'active' tab?

Yes it got removed because it was so obviously manipulated.

I could counter that, break things down and offer more solutions; since I can't build them, I guess it's all talk, no action.

You have yourself a good day, @smooth.

Let me add, per account per tag, on trending. I'd like to see the top posts from different tags. Sometimes, the top ten posts may be using the #Steemit tag for example or something else. It might be better to see different tags, under the all trending page and like you said, one account per trending post in the specific trending pages. Beyond that, I'd love to see trending comments as well. Maybe even trending links, photos, videos, avatars, quotes, replies, memes, GIFs, etc, as well.

You can already view trending posts like that. Simply select the trending tab, then select a tag on the left. You can also click the tags at the bottom of any post and that will lead you to the trending posts of that tag. You can do this with the Hot and New sections as well.

My idea goes beyond that.

Damn so much for free speech

Thanks for this update and all the hard work you guys have done in the last week!

I agree, excellent updates and communication. Great work steemit inc.

Thank you for supporting steemit community.

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That was a bumpy ride. Glad we're back to smoother roads! 😂

This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team. Focus upon the blockchain while working with the witnesses....that is an ideal situation in my opinion.

I commend everyone for opening up the discussion about how to best strike a balance between giving low SP accounts usage while deterring spammers. It is a very difficult task to pull off and it will take all of us collectively trying to determine what is best.

It was a tough week but there is no reason for anyone to be discouraged. This is something all blockchains are going to have to approach. The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different. Therefore, how are those costs covered without directly charging?

People who leave STEEM believing there are other "free" networks out there are in for a rude awakening. There is no such thing as a free network.

Just ask all those who get to use Facebook for "free".

What about an Referral System based on Smart Contracts. Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System. Therefore the new User would get 25 - 50SP with its new Account.
Also possible would be a lending System where the new user has to pay back a certain Amount of Steem to its creator.

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I heard there might be some type of RC pool that would allow the leasing of RC...I am not sure about that though.

The referral system sounds like a great idea. It might be good to elaborate on it some more...there is a way to write smart contracts on this blockchain now. I am not sure how it would tie into SP though.

Saw the idea for RC delegations being floated by @therealwolf. Sounded like another vote buying scheme to me.

>Lets say Peer-to-Peer account creation would implement a 5 -10% lifetime Author Reward System.

This does not sound like something new users would appreciate, ever.

Well this option would be only for those who are not willing to invest anything in their Steem-account. They would have to let go of some of the potential profits, therefore they would get a fully functional Steem account from the start to check everything out! Its just an option and not something that is mandatory. I mean Bitshares also has a referral system for lifetime membership something like that would be also possible.

Why? If you are a good contributer to the steem blockchain, you are investing in the platform with your time and chosen skillset, that's how and why you get rewarded, how much is up to the community. And this isn't Bitshares.

Yes and how you said it will always be like that. If a new user creates good content and receives upvotes for it, that will still be his major income. I was just giving an idea of how to pay for the extra Steempower a new user might want from the beginning. The question from this post was - who is paying for the extra SP for new users so they have more RC? What is your suggestion?

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Turning STEEM into a pyramid scheme would destroy its credibility.

I've literally had to show every new user I introduced that it doesn't have that kind of system, because they suspected it might.

If you have half a mind and have lived in the last century, you know that earning something for nothing is never a good system.

Adding a referral system to Steemit would be a total nightmare.

thanks d-pend you get it :)

I agree, but that's common sense. Logic.

However, my brain can't comprehend the last few words you just typed out, I kinda exploded, but that's more because of the accusation you put in between the lines.

If your own brain capacity is limited by that much intelligence, i understand that you can't process the idea that good content is mandatory on this platform and worth so much more than "nothing". The ideology here is that the community decides how much it will be rewarded. There is a chance you earn nothing, but is earning the focus? Is creating good content the focus? Is curating shit posts for a higher CR the focus? You tell me.

Please, before making it sound like you're superior by implying that other people who do not agree with you are incompetent: Get a better understanding about the (revolutionary) concept of steem and get out of your litter first.

Good content is mandatory, that doesn't mean bad content should be banned.

The focus should be allowing people to use the system the way they would use it.

Earning rewards for other peoples posts because you referred them to the platform would make it questionable in my opinion, very very questionable.

I believe I stated that plainly.

I do not imply that disagreeing with me is incompetant, it is my opinion that money based referral systems are super dodgy and trusting anything to do with one is incompetent, that's all.

It's ok to disagree with me, there's nothing to be afraid of.

"Good" versus "Bad" is just an opinion, so what are you trying to say and what do you mean with content getting banned? If that is happening right now I'm sorry because I didn't know, but that I find really hard to believe unless you mean flags.

They can use the system? If you need RC tokens to publish, you can try to gather them by engaging with other Steemians or post something valuable on our blockchain. The more you contribute, the higher the chance of getting rewarded. Ah, the "more" thing is limited eh? Well, simply use Proof of Brain a little bit more and comment a little bit more than "Nice Post", the platform is already full with shitposts, and do we want to have more of that? I don't. If your RC tokens are scarce, what would you do? I would spend them wisely. You shouldn't be asking for more, because you think you are entitled to. That's simply not how the system works.

Getting rewards simply because you referred authors are ridiculous.

k.

I fail to see where I said that steem currently bans bad content. I said good content is mandatory but that doesn't mean bad content should be banned.

You're putting words in my mouth.

Engagement requires RC. Your point is completely moot.

Contributing more is impossible if your RC is limiting you.

There's no such thing as proof of brain. People should really stop throwing that phrase from the whitepaper around, its silly.

You're saying that saying more than 'nice post' solves the problem completely. I know for a fact there are thousands of frustrated small users who disagree with you.

Scarce RC would destroy steems credibility.

Imagining that use of a social network is entitlement is the kind of thinking that kills steem.

To say that's simply not how the system works is moot too, the system worked before HF19 and resources has never been scarce, nor should RC be.

Actually you are wrong, the social network that will eventually manifest and take everything's place will reward people for every conceivable activity, and no amount of small-mindedness will stand in the way of progress.

We have to decide if steem will be the social network everyone adopts or just a way for the already invested to milk something out till it dies.

K.

Here is an imaginary dick you can chew on.

Leaves this shallow-minded one-way discussion.

you are the weakest link, goodbye.

You are totally missing the point here and the message of the post from @steemitblog There is no free money here and we are far off from any pyramid structure otherwise you don't understand blockchain and the reward pool.
The question of this post was who is paying for the extra SP or RC so that new users have more ability to interact. Your answer is totally of the charts...so try to come up with something better?

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@masterthematrix, I think you missed the point of the post I was responding to . . .

I said a financial incentive referral system where you get a part of your referral's post rewards, would be a very bad PR move among sensible folk.

I suspect its the comment ordering or perhaps you replied in haste. I'm not saying steemit is pyramid like at all, I'm saying that earning rewards for the activity of members you enroll would make it seem that way.

You mean like how @ berniesanders does it?
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berniesanders is a legitimate blogger, a voted witness and an anonymous celebrity.

sure, like how berniesanders does it if you're into that, he's just collecting some of his interest on his stake instead of handing it all out. He hands out a lot of high power votes too.

Freedom of speech/anarcho capitalism.

If you consider that legitimate blogging, then I begin to see where the problem is. You might want to check out where most of his high powered votes go... to himself! And I have absoulutely have no problem with free speech, but apparently the guy who hides behind someone else's name does! Live and learn lanmower!

If you consider his blogging illegitimate, or not a blog, I can see where the problem is.

Yes he votes himself, he's entitled to, he owns the shares. You shouldn't be attacking people for using their own shares the way they choose (freedom of speech)

You just don't get it. I have no problem with self-upvoting. My problem is with his hypocricy. He condemns and flags everyone else and publicly identifies them on his @ abusereports, then does exactly the same thing... upvotes his own abuse report! And if he had any principle, he would leave his emotions out of flagging someone for no reason just because he doesn't agree with them. Talk about curtailment of free speech! David Knox once said "Some get it, some don't. Some will, some won't. Those that do, do... those that don't, dont." You obviously fall into that latter category!

Actually I see no problem with hypocrisy on a system-design level...

Its not your job to tell people what principles are, or what to do with their investment, especially not on a anarcho-capitalistic pseudonymous platform.

Its also not for you to decide if flags have reasons or should have reasons, or who should get flagged for saying what, or why flags happened or what caused them.

Nuff said.

If you see no problem with hyprocrisy, then you are part of the problem. While it may not be my job to instill integrity in anyone, it is everyone's responsibility to help protect the very system that feeds them. But now it is too late, and because of people like you who do not know how to take responsibility, Steemit is failing! Ha, no problem though... I have taken my money out. Good luck to you!

In my humble opinion its not for you to decide if his blog is good enough or not, that's for him to decide.

You should also not be the authority on whether using your own name or someone else's is a problem, that's his decision, its his blog.

Stop telling people how to blog.

it would appear you used the lords name in vain :)

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How about this: You buy more if you want more. And it's easy.

Get on a exchange or buy through @blocktrades.
Buy steem.
Send steem.
Power up steem.

That is not a new solution you can do that anyways. The question was how to solve the problem that new user accounts can interact more with Steem Blockchain without extra investing...read the post.

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Investing what exactly? Time, money, crypto, ideas? The real question should be: Do we really need a solution so new user accounts can have more interactions? I don't think so, because there are other issues that caused this in the first place that needs to be fixed.

I am not saying that you -need- to invest straight away, but if you, as an individual, want more interactions, you invest in the platform, instead of complaining that you can't do shit here. Hopefully, with this "limitation" people will think twice about what they are going to comment/post and actually make Steemit have fewer shitposts, plagiarism, spam and everything else that is giving a negative reputation to the platform.

As far as my concerns will go, the way how it is right now is good enough. Hopefully, the platform will filter out all the people that are here just for the quick bucks so we can invest our stake to those who are here to stay.

If anything there would be a limited ref reward such as until the 10% has reached the 3 Steem it costs for the account creation and then back to no affiliation.

Sounds good to me. I guess when implemented than every individual user should be able to create its own conditions on how he wants to support the account creation.

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My thoughts.. before i got to typing, then scrolled to read it in this comment.

Coming from a heavy MLM and marketing former life, I totally agree with you here. That borders on waters of network marketing and rarely do those endeavours end well and further yet - would surely attract the wrong kind of audience and userbase.

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I agree wholeheartedly, and thank you for providing a fresh, organic, COMMUNITY UPVOTED comment, not like the ones above yours.

I agree with you, unlike the nay sayers who have no clue about software development. (never mind some of their claimed 20-years-techincal-expertise who claim you can see a 8mbps twitch stream on a 56k modem, true story) The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.

Why pay to get your comment moved to the top in a an announcement thread? showboating.

If what you have to say isn't valuable, then you have to spend (some times charity money) on it to get it noticed, so that you feel like you're 'contributing'.

At this point I would like to call out the posers.

If your "contributions" isn't on github in the form of PR's you're not really contributing.

Throwing stones at those who do is frankly ignorant behavior.

Define "showboating" - and also, produce proof of your allegations...

I define showboating as basically being a hypocrite...

Observe your counterargument to yourself:

https://steemit.com/steem-promo/@lanmower/two-in-the-pink-one-in-the-stinc

Compared to the grandstanding above, it smells a lot like "throwing stones" and "ignorant behavior" to me...

Never seen you in github by this name. Funny, I'm on a few threads over there in the PRs and Issues areas. Even got one of the initiatives it took a year of campaigning for passed and into condenser, so you could more easily participate in a more democratic form of governance here than was previously possible. It took a year of broadcasting on the topic, and finally proof of my allegations by another witness who documented his pass through the barriers previously set, and then the calling on of a half dozen more to force the gatekeepers to acquiesce but the win was ours that day.

What did you do again? Oh yeah, apparently not very much of interest to anyone, for a year's worth of time "served"

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Boom! Headshot. I tried to reason w/ that fella a while back. You commented on that thread as well. I'd surmise he is fishing for upvotes as his statement is rather inconsistent with the objective most reasonable Steemians share against the onslaught of spam that we at @steemflagrewards fight on the daily. Would be nice if @ned gave us a delegation so we would have the means to pay our mods and contributors but I digress.

The point I am trying to make is @lanmower is commenting positive about the update which effectively hinders spammers while he will object to the flagging of same spammers which is quite peculiar. Hopefully, he takes your message to heart and evaluates his self.

Perhaps, we can all work together to make this blockchain better, be it through flags, through Pull Requests, and discussions just like this. But I'm not holding my breath about this one.

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This little kid has been nothing but a troll since he showed up sometime this past summer, trolling around various discords I mod, mostly being a know nothing know it all punk. I fed him loads of bullshit and let him think he was winning so he would go away back then but it was time to school him and put him down for a nap. It's amusing when some barely out of highschool kid tries to troll someone nearly three times their age, it won't end well for them.

@sircork, honestly, you could stand to learn more than you could stand to teach.

But that's none of my business, your eyes are closed while your mouth is open, and that is your issue not mine.

Arguing with cork is like arguing with a 5 year old.

You have to keep your sentences short.

And allow enough white space for his brain to catch up.

Well he is in the same class as @ berniesanders, what did you expect?

finally a complement!

Hardly.

Bernie's got a strong mind and a sense of humor, and he's using it, just cause you don't 'get it' doesn't mean others don't ;)

at least he isn't making steem more boring

Yeah right, he's driving people away! Maybe you should do some reading. Start with this... https://justpaste.it/1jpbl

SDL is a team of people who performed faucet rape to flag people, if you are in any way associated with SDL you are part of scam group who contravened the T&C's of steemit, and would explain a lot about what you say.

Many of their scam accounts' power has been revoked after being caught. It's all on record.

Bernie is a stake holder, as in co-owner of steem's assets, not to mention long term witness. big difference.

Deal with it.

I have no idea what SDL is and NO, I am not in any way associated. I'm just a victim of flagging abuse because bernie is an asshole. He is also a Steemit thief and does not know how to play by the rules, plain and simple, as obviously evidenced by that nice orange jumpsuit he owns. Maybe you don't pay much attention!

That's weird, I got flagged by bernie and I called him up, asked him to stop and he was really nice and stopped flagging me.

Had the same experience with other friends, not only that but he handled my harsh humor like a pro. . . (I push peoples buttons online to see what they say)

Maybe you thinking I'm not in touch or not paying attention was an assumption...

I promise you berniesanders is just like all of us.

But on the other hand that account has been here longer, has garnered enough support to witness for a long time. This account has 'been around the block' on steem, and I understand how the anarcho capitalistic atmosphere can make you uncomfortable but as soon as you look at steem as partially inhabited by some really old school crypto people you'll begin to understand whats going on...

If you poke a pirate in the eye, you'll probably get a knife in your back lol I mostly have seen something similar happen, people who get influenced by bernie usually did something to antagonise him, and he lives up to his name and flags them.

He's not unreasonable though he's just like all of us.

come say hi at steempunks, I'd love to meet you :) http://steempunks.live

Thanks for the invite but I have decided to not waste much more time here... going back to my real blog and vlog, which I've been neglecting of late.

@steemflagrewards accomplishes nothing more than breeding busybodies in my opinion, and I should be free to express that, but you feel like telling people they're not free to state plainly what they perceive is ok, which I respect, that doesn't mean I'm going to let you bully me into silence.

I understand that you are proud of your project, I am proud of your project too, its a good display of organizational talent and while I haven't seen the code it seems to work.

Do I respect it influencing peoples freedom of speech? nope.

I feel like I am free to say that, which I do. You're welcome to different opinion, that's none of my business.

What you're doing right here, is childish. But that's ok, we're all learning too and I respect the time you require to learn from your own experiences.

Cheers @anthonyadavisii I can't imagine how you think that you playing god over who gets flagged, is somehow better than blockchain patches but is I have always advocated passive fixes to the underlying problem rather than users fighting each other I am an automation designer so to me the solution is obvious and what the patch is about is a direct exploration at an automatic spam fighting solution.

Policing bloggers is a terrible idea in my opinion, but that's my opionion, and I'm free to advocate it, the fact that you attack me over it shows that you couldn't care less about the things I hold dear, like freedom, which is fine, you too will learn from being here and dealing with people who care about the important things you ignore, and I will learn too from people who deal with the important things I ignore.

Our lord and saviour, Dan the Man, created something called proof-of-stake. Whereby everyone on the blockchain has a stake in it. Whether it be borrowed stake or invested stake doesnt matter. What does matter is what people choose to use their stake for. I use mine to distribute wealth, and to troll occasionally. You use yours to build automation systems for communities, and to troll occasionally. @steemflagrewards uses their stake to apply censorship to the blockchain, and to troll occasionally.

Only one of us are trying to negate the ability of other stake holders to do their thing.

You guessed it.

It's @steemflagrewards !!!

Thanks for taking the time to formulate a thoughtful response, @lanmower. However, I believe one of your underlying premises is flawed and I will explain why.

You assert that the issue is freedom of speech and, in order to help you out, I would like you to consider one question.

How often do you see us flagging content that has declined rewards?

I think you could figure what I'm getting at and believe this is where your argument begins to unravel. I think it is important you come to terms with the implication of this specifically in what it says about your actual position the feigned position you present.

If I am correct in my line of reasoning, your real issue is our affecting others freedom of extracting rewards or value from the network without making a meaningful contribution. That's our issue and, of course, it is subjective.

That is why I think your proposition that this can be achieved via a fully programmatic solution is a far cry from what can be achieved in reality at least not in a comprehensive sense.

Sure there is a higher degree of automation that can be achieved and I would like to work to that end but don't think it is wise to fully remove human judgment from the equation however imperfect it can be. Having both leaves us with a more robust solution.

I am one that believes also in the power of the human mind, the extraordinary creation that it is, is able to bolster programming in ways that AI or machine learning are not able... At least not yet

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Don't act so surprised that my response is thoughtful and articulate, I am more experienced than you think and apparently more than you are too.

First of all I never suggested a fully automated solution, saying I did is lying.

Second of all I never suggested removing any human element or steem feature, saying I did is lying.

I have no issue with affecting people who extract value without contributing value. I have a problem with you making the decision of whats right and wrong for everyone else, regardless if you're a group, or trusted, or anything.

If you prevented 1 000 000 supposed "abuser" accounts from extracting their one cent for a post that's not long enough in your opinion, or too similar to something else or whatever you decide is the criteria today or tomorrow, and you hit even one legitimate blogger, or a person testing the network that will be a legitimate blogger down the line to the degree that they want to leave or do something else (which is really easy if you're new) then you caused more harm than good, even if you did prevent a milion cents from going to some poor dude who didn't say much.

My point is we shouldn't ever have to trust YOU to 'remain fair'. Most high power policing accounts do whatever the hell they want once they gain enough power, even if it means stepping on peoples blogs, hard work and projects.

Trustlessness is the foundation of the crypto sphere, if you don't get that, you probably never will.

I don't see how that means that I don't recognise the power of the human mind, I am just not blind to its corruptibility.

You are not correct in your line of reasoning because of that reason. You are not managing or policing other members, you are not doing anyone a service, you are simply interfering with their freedom to use the network, the long term effects of human policing services is detrimental to the systems credibility as a whole.

I never said that fully programmed and automated solutions are the answers, I am confident enough to say fully human 'flag rings' are too corruptable, generally money making schemes and lead to no good.

Once power is accumulated it can be used for whatever, people run around playing 'good cop', amassing power, and then doing whatever the hell they want with it.

I am not a supporter of that kind of behavior or any situation that leaves for the potential of that danger, so I advocate against 'flag rings' against any systematic flagging in fact.

I never suggested AI at all. I advocate against human policing of other bloggers, with very good reason. If the internet was started by people like that, it would have never taken off.

Freedom is actually important and you just don't recognize it yet. I'm perfectly fine with that, you lack the foresight to understand the importance of freedom, you want to solve little problems now so badly that you cause big problems in the long run. I am fine with that though, because I'm an advocate of freedom, which includes your freedom to do what you do, and my freedom to advocate against it.

You're welcome to disagree, but my thinking is not flawed, yours is.

I find every statement you make to completely disguise what I said and lace it with your opinions, overshooting, lying and exaggerating by miles, please don't take it the wrong way if this is my last response to your rediculous arguments, since I don't actually take part in these kinds of arguments on the chain, I just advocate freedom.

Cheers.

define spam

Here is our consensus definition that may be also found on our GitHub

>* Spam - Repetitively posting articles/pictures/videos with the same and/or similar content, or recyling content after a period of time or across multiple accounts. Spinning one's own, previously published content, is also considered spam.

Thanks to @freebornangel for putting this in a post with an easily readable forget.

Please, let me know your thoughts. Always welcome community feedback in how we may improve definitions.

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You see the problem is then that all our services, yours included, is considered spam by your collective. You guys comment spam, we spam stats and live streams. And although we spam way more than you do, we allow for natural upvotes, whereas you guys autoupvote every flagrewards comment, thus stealing from all of us. I guess we should start an anti-steemflagrewards community to reduce your impact?

Or perhaps you guys should all come join us so that you can also see that bot accounts and spam is actually beneficial for all of us.

The blockchain itself is doing good. We have a LOT of transactions that happen every second. Steemit and other front end services arent doing so good. As the content that you guys want, do not appeal to mass audiences. Which means we arent creating any new traffic to any of these front ends.

Popular media consists of memes and cat pictures. Parody and satire. You might not like it. I don't even like it. But you have to accept the world as it is, before you can start to change it.

Another thing that bothers me about steemflagrewards, steemcleaners, and all the other busy-bodies. You guys all attack the little guy. Not once have you flagged haejin, or berniesanders, or any of the so-called bad-whales. You don't even flag us because we have enough stake to fight back. Seems kinda like a war between the USA and Nauru.

So, who's funding this blatant oppression of the minnow-class? And why are you, a person with a relatively good moral compass, part of it?

Well, the thing is that we have verifiable proof of brain behind the bot approval mechanism. I promise you our volunteer mods are not automatons. They are human beings with gray mass making the decision to review and approve the mention comments.

What you say though is important for what we are looking to implement soon, that is the auto-approvals for whitelisted abuse fighters. We will ensure that via that mechanism that no comments are generated something I did not think about before your comment.

Way to go, @stephanus! We probably would have overlooked that otherwise.

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If you take the human out of it, I'd probably comment on your comments way less. Because a bot will have set parameters. IE. Do not copy/paste. Do not reuse photos. Do not etc.

Which would actually encourage certain behaviour. And you would actually make a difference then.

Right now though, nobody knows what's up. Can I post 200 memes consecutively and not get flagged by you? Or can I use vimm to post the same content every 2 hours to generate traffic to my stream? There are NO RULES. Everyone is posting, hoping some collective wont start a flag war with them. Your initiative creates a stressful environment. And nobody wants to work for a bunch of pricks.

Also, if I was a mod, I'd flag this entire discussion because it has nothing to do with the main thread.

"TRUST US, LET US PLAY GOD THEN YOU DONT HAVE TO"

DONT WORRY, STEEM IS SAFU

There's no such thing as proof of brain, and its certainly not verifiable. Anything you present as evidence of fairness is completely dependent on trusting you, and we don't trust you or your group to decide for anyone whats right and wrong, and presenting proof that you're deciding correctly is not proof that you will or have.

Our community is based on a foundation of trustlessness and censorship resistance, and you tell us 'trust us, we promise you we'll tell you whats right and wrong and we'll even censor those we think is wrong'

You do spam, your 'proof of brain' is not verifiable, you attack bloggers on their own blogs with spam and then you flag them accusing them of spamming, then you upvote your own comments.

I admire your stoic need to misunderstand everything, and I admire that you manage to hold together a community and maintain their belief in whatever you say.

However your claims to morality is not remotely founded, and your service is a cancer.

What I really want to know though, is, what can I do so that we never need to see each other on the blockchain again? Because I am gonna do 90% of the type of stuff you listed. Is there a specific format I can use to bypass your human bots?

>What I really want to know though, is, what can I do so that we never need to see each other on the blockchain again?

Do what the other snowflakes do and mute me. Not going to hurt my feelings.

>Because I am gonna do 90% of the type of stuff you listed. Is there a specific format I can use to bypass your human bots?

Yeah, the specific format is called not being a dipshit but rather adding value to the chain. Instead of driving the car until the wheels falls off, it is about maintaining it which is what all abusers seem intent on NOT doing.

Steem is a microcosm of a bigger problem of people that don't understand the flow of causality and consequence. Instead they get pissy when people with foresight attempts to drop wisdom on their dense fucking heads. I'm done with you. You have proven to be incorrigible and not worth any more of my valuable time.

This is why we can't have nice things. Good luck with your spamming.

u mad bro?

You hit the nail on the head, they attack the little guy just trying to get by and figure things out, what they consider spam is less bad than the spam they produce. They produce spam on other peoples blogs without permission while attacking the blogger accusing him of spam.

They are stealing from all of us by upvoting themselves under the ruse of being police.

Their idea of 'good content' is completely irrelevant and they have no understanding for internet communities, and only pretend to 'police' everyone else according to the wants and needs of the few, the very very boring few.

They are literally fighting whats normal on the internet because they want to pretend that its not normal on steem.

And yes they claim to have an ethical superiority which they certainly don't, they are actually producing harm and calling it good, which is very ethically challenged.

How did you get that info about the followers? I've long wanted a way to sift mine and get rid of those who are spoiling my feed page, making it difficult for me to see posts by those I want to follow!

Well, thanks for asking! I actually built the tool for determining your dead followers and dead followings as one our @noblewitness team's many varied contributions to the steem chain!

Find these tools and more here!

http://steem.agency

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I am resteeming AND Bookmarking and this page will get pinned on my browser. Already got rid of nearly 50, but my hand is now tired.

I guess there is no way to mark who of the followers, never checks my posts? I think they are the biggest waste of time and space.

lol - that was funny - I actually hit a bug!!!

I hit the resteem button and I got the black bar telling me I cannot resteem anything but the top level...

Well technically thats not a bug as you cant and couldnt.. Its a user interface issue though but luckily ned is single-handledly building us a new one all by himself.

let's hope football and hairspray builds dapps.

corkyyy we all love you, but you are a very naive and lonely individual.

Being in a thread on github doesn't mean that you've contributed much more than what you've done here, which is talk shit. Difference is I don't attack you for talking shit, I talk shit myself, in fact my neo dadaist blog on steem is perfect proof that I know what's up enough to hold a year long satiric comedy about it, if you don't get any of it I'm not surprised, you wouldn't.

I always dig it when you take it out on me, good material :)

It's performance is exactly what I'd like it to be, which is more than what anyone can say about your blog, cause you're always bitching about how you're not getting your 'fair share' which imho you get more than. I have no clue what you're trying to say with your screenshot, I guess the usual right? trying to make steem a little more boring?

Doesn't sound like you did much more than imagine conspiracies :)

I'm just pushing your buttons bro, lighten up a little. And wake up ffs you've been sounding like a broken record since the first day we met.

> The developers involved (NOT JUST STINC, EVERYONE) has done an admirable job this week, things are never expected to go wrong, and when they do, that is the measure of the workmanship, how you handle crisis.
@lanmover

The technical chops of the development team is unequalled, @lanmover
* Does the market agree with HF20?
* Will this ramp up DAU?
At what cost?

Yes you have raised very relevant concerns.

I'm afraid the financials of the decision is out of my league, and I know it's had an impact, whether the long term effect will be positive or negative is a matter that I still watch with skeptical reservations of my own, I just feel they handled it fairly decently considering the scope of steem/steemit, not as well as a cooperate site would have perhaps, but I strongly suspect they had no intention to cause damage, and I also suspect that if they were to do it again, they would probably fair better.

We're dealing with new ground right? and that's hard to cover, next time lets all advocate smaller updates, I think that would make sense to you.

I am a n00b here at Steemit, and very glad just to be a part of it. I don't pretend to understand the larger issues, so I'd be a fool to take sides, but I do understand very well when you say "there is no such thing as a free network".

This same issue applies to the F2P model in online games - if you are not paying a subscription, then you are the product which the game company is selling.

Much respect to all my fellow Steemians.

The first thing that comes to mind to me is a "sponsorship" where the gets some sort of kickback for sponsoring hidden talent.

I'm for sponsorship programs, both online and offline, more over through vocational training as opposed to mere community college. On Steem for example, yeah, we could vet some if we want, sponsor them, support them, reward disciples, fans, contest participants, etc.

I designed a system that handles this issue perfectly. We will be launching on the Steem blockchain next year. Take a look and tell me what you think :)

https://medium.com/currentxchange/cryptovoting-with-purple-how-it-works-3d6db1df14b6

Looks like an interesting project and in alignment with the Age of Abundance which is centered out of love/energy/vibration/conscious.

You get it!! Thanks for commenting, that means so much to know that is being conveyed!!!!

Would you like to be involved? We have plenty of room :) Here is the update of the project I sent to the team this morning :)
Lots of ways to get involved! We are planning a steem app before SMT launches to get the Mapp up and running.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EpfJ_eqIpw

Shades?

There may be 50 shades of grey between free speech and spam, allegedly. It depends on how you define spam. I'm happy with Steemit as it's better than Facebook.

Competition

Steem is doing better in some ways than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, Dlive, and other online communities. I'm totally for decentralized, cryptocurrency, blockchain networks, like Steem. I'm for privacy over safety. I'm for personal ownership, and for free markets.

Subjectivity

The tough part might be in defining spam as it may mean what you may not want, like, desire, prefer. However, what I want may not be what you want. So, defining spam and hate speech, subjectively, can be cultural, social, and therefore not objective, which is a path down the wrong road.

So relevant and so right, thanks for saying what needs to be said.

This is a most excellent post by the Steemit team. At the same time you fuck the money by just post a single comment .

I agree with you @taskmaster4450 and I have nothing to say! But what about a Referral System based on Smart Contracts.

I am glad to see the platform useable again. I however can not say I know exactly what the new features have come with the HF20. I would be glad to see a quick easy to understand summary of the changes maybe short bullet point. Thanks

> The bottom line is networks cost money to run and this is no different.
@taskmaster

      There's no bottomline 
               without a topline.
      That topline stems  
               from DAU.

The bottomline

1. Is Steemit delivering what it says on the tin?
2. Has Steemit's deliverables been communicated?
3. a. Does a freshly minted Steemian understand this?
4. b. Who specifically within Steemit corporate owns this?

Are Resource Credits Preventing Spam? Yes (Proof Inside!)

Have a look at my findings (with a hint of humor). I was impressed with what I saw, see room for a bit of improvement, offered a suggestion. I don't feel like writing everything out again here though. Comment section is also jammed and a couple of good ideas popped up.

Enjoy.

Thanks for the link, really interesting stuff.

It's interesting; until people realize that's how I spent my Saturday night...
buh dun tss

I'd be the last person to judge

Entertaining, lol. I have read your blog 😇

Hurray. Just happy to see that the spirit and mood of the majority of the people is changing for a more constructive one. :)

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Yes

Appreciate this @steemitblog. I had no doubt that things would return to normal. Onwards and upwards towards a stronger, more powerful blockchain and community!

It is great thing that we do not need another chain to make a hard fork for better improvement. In Steem, we can upgrade and adjust to the trend of the community easily.

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Congratulations to everyone involved in implementing Hardfork 20. Excellent job. Stephen

I think we need a witness channel.
Call it Steem News with your
favorite anchor @sweetjoy
No surprises and if they don't check for updates...oh well.
I'd love to help.
Think it over k?
Joy

Got one.
https://discord.gg/vPQkYu

Got several, but they are ignored in favor of the secret not-so-secret one, that is invite only and mostly filled with people who will not bite the hand that feeds them.

Yeah, you would think they never left high skool.

I'll be glad when we get enough outlaw programmers to upset the apple cart.
Then we can set about doing the opposite of lining our own pockets.

@ned really is pedantic and thin skinned and weak. But we see you @ned, we ALL see you, little man.

Not everybody responds to hugs from porcupines.
I know i have reservations.

@ned appears to have grown up fortunate, which is unfortunate because it puts him on the wrong side of the divide for most awake people.
Worse, he is unlikely to ever suffer the deprivations of not being born fortunate without crashing steem, and maybe not then.

Most people I've known had to learn the hard way, let's hope he takes a clue from the negative feedback.

Stay free, Angel.

While the account system is good in theory, in practice the RC costs are driven way too high for the mere mortals that don't have SP holdings that resemble those of @steem.

I suppose the comments stand true because, despite no one else being able to participate, @steem will be able to create accounts indefinitely without depleting their STEEM holdings.

Overall good work with the RC system. Not so good work with the discounted account claim system.

The budget on free/subsided accounts is currently about 14000K/day (0.5 accounts/block) of which maybe 5K-10K will be practically claimable. If steem/steemit claims them all using all of their SP/RCs then someone with 1/10000-1/5000 as much SP/RCs would be able to claim one such account per day (at the cost of exhausting their RC for the day; possible acceptable). That doesn't get down to minnows, but it does get down to a good number of (arguably) mortals. Possibly around 10K SP or so, as a rough number. Someone with around 2K SP could claim an account and exhaust 5 days of RC. In some cases, people may absolutely prefer to just pay the 3 STEEM.

These numbers may be change though. Nobody really knows at this point what the budget should be (or the per-account fee).

Great breakdown -- thanks for that. I've been wondering what the RC costs of account creation are.

The equilibrium is still being reached (the cost to claim accounts is falling rapidly, I suspect because hardly anyone is claiming them at all yet) but the above is a ballpark estimate of what it will look like once that happens, with the current parameters and with the assumptions stated.

Interesting -- I was wondering about that. I suppose it'll probably fluctuate pretty wildly from time to time.

I'm planning to take a peek at the beem library in the next couple of days and see if I can't wrap my head around the account claim process. I keep talking to some co-workers about the dApp I'm working on, and I'm almost ready to start trying to on-board people (people that have previously tried to get through the 7-day wait at the Steemit sign-up process, and have either been forgotten, or forgot about it themselves).

Are Resource Credits (RCs), transferable? Is that linked to the steem power or is it independent?

I think we are moving in that direction but we aren't there yet.

RCs can not be transferred. Delegation of SP does affect RCs on both accounts.

Yes, you have to imagine that if Steem went x100 the account creation fee would be drastically lowered.

This was always my disagreement with the 'logic' that "there isn't enough STEEM to create millions of accounts for onboarding". There is plenty (an unlimited quantity in fact) as long as the price of STEEM goes up (and therefore the account fee down) along with the onboarding process. If it doesn't, something has gone very wrong.

Exactly. It'll be an unsustainable system if there were 100 million users, yet were the market cap <$1 billion.

This seems like a selfish move by Steemit Inc. to retain holdings, which is in direct contradiction to their stated goals of decentralizing their stake. That was early 2017, absolutely no steps have been taken since. That said, this could be useful to third party developers with a sweeping marketing plan. Even so, the concern is no one can compete with Steemit Inc in the subsidy market, due to their overwhelming RC budget.

If steem goes to $1000 someday, will we get more decimal places? Or will the smallest unit of measurement still be 0.001 and be worth $1?

It wouldn't necessarily be easy (sort of a Y2K-type problem with all the UI and other code that would need to be updated) but in theory the decimal place can definitely be moved. This was done with VESTS in the early days (multiplied by one million), although of course at that time there was hardly any software to update.

Well, good. It's almost a problem when steem hits $10, even. I mean I guess no one's complaining that their penny can't pay out... But also maybe they are?

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You're so right, they're trying to fix value related problems with code, an attempt making steem immune-to-the-world-market could be viewed as 'sailing in rocky waters'

>the 'logic' that "there isn't enough STEEM to create millions of accounts for onboarding".

Total agreement, @smooth. I Noticed the same thing after a few seconds looking at account creation faucets and I am glad to see RC taking over, making something like 5.1 Million accounts annually with your calculations.

We might have to UP those numbers again, just calculated that with 14K accounts per day will take 196 years to get to 1 billion accounts.

This is my opinion about the number of discounted accounts set by witnesses.
@steemitblog in an old post mentioned that the idea is to be comparable with others social networks, and they put the example of Reddit, which has 468 million accounts.
So, following that idea, this is my proposal:
Year | New accounts | Total accounts
---|---|---
2017 | 420k | 420k
2018 | 590k | 1 M
2019 | 9 M | 10 M
2020 | 90 M | 100 M
2021 | 500 M | 600 M
Let's move from 1 million accounts to 10 million accounts in the next year. That is 9M new accounts, which represents around 25000 accounts per day. Then every day the blockchain would give 25k tokens for new accounts, and no matter if creators claim the account that day or they hold the token for the future, we know that in long term we will have 9 million new users.
If we see that this first step went well, and the witnesses can support this big community, then the next year scale by 10 again with 90 million new accounts. And the next year 500 million accounts. Very big numbers! but I'm optimistic that it can be achieved.

The point is, as much as discounted accounts increase then more people could claim them and this option not only @steem would have it.

What I don't see is how this rate can grow when this was an excerpt from @steemitblog's recent post:

> "Who doesn't care about user acquisition and retention? Steemit.com? If that is your answer, you are correct. They do not care. Nor do they care about their UI. @andrarchy reaffirmed that clearly. They are completely focused upon the blockchain and feel that is where their resources are best suited. Some might disagree but that is their viewpoint."

I responded with this comment about how it's critical to treat this interface a top priority because the people (users) will be the future businesses and/or referrers of businesses the company is expecting to have come in by the thousands down the line. The users will be the biggest funnel for viral marketing and promotion, given their experience, understanding and relationships in the blockchain space.

Not prioritizing their experience, the primary platform through which they interact with the blockchain, and most critically "user acquisition and retention" could really come back to haunt. It's also a worrisome mindset to hear because what business would want to bring or build their customers on a primary window to the blockchain that will openly say that they don't prioritize these things?

Valid points. However, I am working on an entirely new UI to take the mantle of onboarding normies into crypto.

Thank you for taking the time to respectfully read and comment with this foreshadowing. Framing this for my wall.

Leaders say "WE", not "I"...

leaders as facilitators 😌

Still say we... ;)

@SirCork, Ned is downvoted you. I'm reading your comments. By the way, Obama said I and Trump said we. So, Steemit is better than Facebook. Steem is improving. I'm following your conversations here with Ned & others. I'm thinking about all of it right now. I'm Oatmeal. Keep up the good work.

Hi Joey L:) Isn't it fun watching the Glorious leader melt down over a pronoun?

He gets more insane every day!

Interesting for sure.

Even more interesting is watching desperate @netuoso flagging these comments (like that hurts me somehow?) to appear relevant to his overlord and try to win the favor of whoever he's trying to impress? He is spending a LOT of time thinking about me. Seems a bit obsessed. Possibly psychotic?

He's doing a fine job of increasing my followers and witness voters while making himself look like the other petulant children around here with their thin skins, obsessive behavior and cute little totally useless flags?

Last I checked you’ve never been part of it. Muted for toxicity.

Literally just totally proved my point. Well done, young man, well done. You have nothing to fear but truth itself.

Oh and "last WE checked" ;)

Oh 100% ned flags won't draw ANY attention to this at all.

Flagged for citing rule #1 of every basic management class in the world.

Amateur is as amateur does... :D

Thanks for demonstrating literally everything I asserted.

Son, I was in tech before you born, some 35 years now, including roles at NASA for the CIO's office and winning awards from a former US President for my technical skills and service.

Sit down son. Have some popcorn and learn from your elders...

!popcorn

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@Ned I have nothing to add to the above, BUT I do ask you on behalf of many users here on this platform to remove this flag from @popcornexpress. It is simply a fun and silly service that many enjoy here and has nothing to do with the user above. You essentially just killed part of the fun of Steemit, please reconsider.

honestly we do need some popcorn here. steem could use some fun and love.

on a sidenote, flagging/voting from whales is stopping the platform from moving forward. maybe the '1 account 1 vote' coupled with human & good actor verification could be a solution. whatever is in motion for steem, whales currently have too much power, and we already know bigger stake almost never equates to benevolence.

simply put we need more decentralization. maybe even from ned himself? :)

He has burned close to $800 in rewards out of embarrassment and he has a history of this, it's not his first time publicly shaming himself. It's just another of many times.

Meanwhile...

FreePopcornBot

PopcornBotIsInnocent

JusticeForPopcornBot

PopCornBotLivesMatter

yes, i'm concerned, even tho i still have faith in the steem blockchain..

when a platform is truly censorship resistant, ideas are fought with other free ideas, not by someone with a big stake dropping the hammer. the moment you start having a single entity create a bunch of behavioral restrictions, the only endgame is dprk.

i can understand it's always difficult for any leader to step back and be a facilitator because people naturally want control. when you create an organization, let alone a platform, it's obviously difficult (near impossible) for you to let go and have the community figure shit out (whether you like the results or not).

i got interested in steem at first because no single company is meant to control the entire blockchain. in the beginning we might even need control for a bit of structure. but if steemit inc continues to hang on to control even after SMTs then i really dunno where to go from there.

is there enough humility in that organization? :)

So you've brought out petty behavior with your own antagonizing. That doesn't sound like much has been gained here.

Was the goal here for character assassination? Because frankly, who cares...

The goal here was to put a continuous spotlight on egregious behavior. Feel free to have your opinion, I am not petty enough or thin skinned enough to flag free speech on a "decentralized" platform like our "dear leader" - but I will cite that there is context here and history with this platform that is seen and often disturbing to stake holders, of both financial and sweat equity in nature. And that is context enough for my remarks, and if Ned didn't realize that, he would be far less concerned with suppressing it.

He's trying to gaslight me, like he has many others before me. And I for one "welcome that Streisand effect."

Poor poppy! The belovèd bot got destroyed in the crossfire ='(

This whole exchange is surreal; I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone!

Thank you @Ned 😘

Sircork is a shithead, but don't flag the popcorn bot.

A shit head who made you relevant when I insisted you be included in this reward:

https://steemit.com/minnowsupportproject/@danielsaori/yes-msp-medal-of-honor

And gave you this platform to exist on, though still nobody knows your name...

https://steemit.com/mspwaves/@aggroed/a-bromode-bro-ode-to-sircork-and-his-time-machine-mspwaves-radio-sponsored-by-lovejuice

Oh, do your comments there bring back memories of being nobody till I gave you a lift? I thought so.

But at least this time you tried your attack in your own name, instead of hiding like the fraud you and your buddies are behind a real classy spoof account. @sircock - well done. I seem to recall your words on that were:

"I wish I was famous enough to have somebody spoof me*"*

Sit down Clown.

I'm just sitting back watching your ego devour the world around you. Keep dying on every hill you cross, that's why you're friendless, alone, and well past your prime.

!popcorn

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Don't confuse above average performance with your lack of ability to perform. That's not ego or hubris, it's just the cold truth of your life.

Instead of starting a charity to impress a woman that hates you to help people thousands of miles away that you don't care about, why don't you pay back the person who loaned you hundreds of dollars so you could keep your dogs alive?

Oh you mean the person who demanded many times I DO NOT pay him back for his GIFT, until his lack of relevance gave him the grand plan to use it as a tool which backfired badly?

Do you pay back the woman who lets you live in her basement?

Try again maybe?

Or maybe try to do something of use, at all? Like getting a job?

r0nd0n (57)
Perfectonist
985 followers
Joined September 2016

How's that "perfectionism" working out for you, clown?

Doesn't matter what you say, no one will see you anyway...

985 Total followers

630 Dead followers

355 True followers

You spelled "perfectionist" wrong, but you'll claim "clown humor" lol, fail.

Imagine seeing @sircork having an emotional breakdown on yet another post. This super prominent and most famous Steem witness with a million dollar company yet he needs to borrow money to keep his fucking dogs alive.

You speak like a child. You bring up old conversations in passing as if they were some amazing favor by the Dalai Lama when in reality you are an old, tired, broken down man that never matured because of fetal alcohol syndrome.

Don't you carry @fyrstikken balls in your hands for him? He is being nice to @ned so you should be doing the same thing or risk losing that teet you have been sucking on but yet unable to procure milk from.

Dear child with history and reading comprehension skills.

The dogs thing happened before the company was even in production, and still in a building phase pre launch, bootstrapped and wasn't valued where it is now, till approximately ten months later, when we turned down the first offer from a little tiny company called Microsoft for our fledgling product. I know, the tech business is hard for you, having been fired from all the jobs you've ever mentioned having, and you are now living in your rv in your mom's backyard and all, as you said on your own post the other day. But don't let ignorance deter you from chiming in.

You might want to also learn how to work the chain transaction logs and do some research before making baseless allegations you cannot substantiate, because other than enjoying a chat with a fellow adult business person, Fyrst has never sent or transferred a thing to me or even voted on anything I've ever put on the chain, with one single exception. Earlier this year, he boosted a comment made by the YouAreHOPE Foundation I founded, on a fundraising post, of his own accord and without my awareness till later in the day, as it happened during a public witness forum, where adults were doing their job here. You know, those things you've never attended, ever, because you say, the minnows and plankton aren't worth your ever so homeless time.

I don't need him to either, because I don't live at my mom's house.

For that matter if you knew how the chain worked, you might not have had such a visible failure using it this week.

Sounds like baby netty is jealous he can't hang with the big kids. ;) Take a nap, and clean your room. Oh wait, you don't HAVE a room!

Sad old fuck can't even raise a dog let alone himself.

Your comment is precisely what I was saying. Despite the deep blowjobs you give @fyrstikken he hasn't supported shit of yours. Lmao cause it's all worthless shit.

You spend a strangely inordinate amount of time fantasizing about men giving each other head, you classless, tasteless little fuck. How's mom, still cutting the crusts off your bologna sammies for you?

!popcorn

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Look at the short little man, flagging away like a thin skinned little beotch, cause he's all butt hurt and unable to articulate himself well enough to simply speak in intelligible sentences. LOL, aren't you cute. Burning up RC and mana like a maniacal child. Take a nap, little boy. You seem a little grouchy. Maybe it's because mom grounded you or didn't cut the crusts off your sammy today?

Mr. @noblewitness, why is it you assume only one person loaned you money to pay your vet bills? You're not privy to half the conversation anymore, but others are.

LOLz, keep trying, no one "LOANED" anyone anything. But PAL and it's little increasingly irrelevant clique have never been strong on honesty or credibility.

So I take you all aren't working together as a team, running a witness anymore? That didn't last very long. :(

Not sure what you mean. I've never ran a witness by myself or with anyone else. You must have me confused with someone else.

Ah! I did indeed. Thanks for clarifying. I got confused with @rhondak.

Gosh what a thread to dig through hunting a mention. Mercy!

I still love my choice for witness team alignment, despite the controversy. I kept waiting to for those who warned me to be proven right, and Cork to be proven base of character the way they claim. As time went on, the inverse became true based on the behaviors I saw with my own eyes.

People can "claim" anything they want. For my own personal knowledge, I asked the one guy claiming Cork owes him money for the dogs if he would offer proof. He didn't just fail to do so, he flat-out refused. Publicly, in front of many witnesses. Yet still this is an issue? How? For me, the fact that Cork needed money to care for the animals he committed to says more about his character than that of any self-righteous accuser. It demonstrates loyalty and a clear understanding of ethical responsibility.

Then we get back to the moral code of the people in question. First, none of the people involved with @noblewitness or @thewritersblock ever engaged in divisive conduct. We included everyone in everything. Shared members, shared moderators. Shared witness support. No one can argue that Cork says things in the most diplomatic manner, because clearly he doesn't. But I've yet to see him be proven wrong about any points he's made. Others, however...wow. The behaviors! Licentious remarks in public forums. The creation of an entire Steem account to mock an accidental misspelling of Cork's name that was downright vulgar. Is there no sense of shame with some people? What about publicly ridiculing a person's appearance after they took chemotherapy and years of immunosuppressants? Yet somehow all of this is okay? But wait--the best (or worst, depending on which camp a person is in,) is the blatant edict by a community leader for his entire drone army to disassociate from Cork and any initiatives he's part of. This edict came with the express threat of removing delegations and all support from anyone who affiliates with him. And the whole drone army concurred that this was acceptable. And yet, this is okay?

Talk about centralized! It's the antithesis of everything the blockchain is supposed to represent. Bottom line is that no one associated with @sircork ever, at any time, forbade anyone else from affiliating with "those other folks," participating in their servers, voting their witness, or following their blogs. We encouraged cross-promotion and teamwork. Then suddenly there it is, in writing, that the leader of the largest community on Discord has forbidden "his people" from association with Cork or Noblewitness. What the absolute hell, people? HOW is ANY of this not a thousand times worse than any lip Cork ever gave anyone? Yet they get a free pass for this egregious and downright insidious behavior?

Not from me, they don't. Never have I been more pleased about where I chose to place my alliance. I'll take Cork's lip over corrupt character any day.

And by the way, his dogs are wonderful.

Please for the love of everything good, save popcorn! This site requires popcorn.

FreePoppy

SpareTheKernels

PoppyDinduNuffin

SavePopcornBot

Yeah #savepopcorn. That thing has kept us all sane.

Flagging @sircork for internet trolling

We welcome the Streisand effect in this case.

Yes, yes we do :D

Yes ¡we! do.

Somebody's triggered! and isn't me :D I must have struck a nerve.

Petulant tantrum is petulant.

And "I" is self-aggrandizing.

And "trolling" is when the assertion is "wrong."

Thanks for the notoriety though. Guess your own notoriety after the population saw your response to @dan's EOS post didn't teach you any lessons at all.

Im sorry @sircorck for the flags, hate to be in that position but i kind of enjoy seeing this. Not in a drama loving, popcorn eating kind of way but rather its nice to see the guy "running" the place actually show a genuine emotional response.

Ned decided not to upvote anything on the platform, nor do i see him making many comments on other posts (id bet he has some other account for that) that arent Steem related.

That creates this feeling of absence and dissociation. And its not that hes busy. We all are busy...

Ned is a bit bland when it comes to his interaction with the community. Everything he writes is measured or a service announcement....

So when i say its nice to see him act, even like this, im saying that its nice to see that hes actually human and not some "service announcement bot".

And to Ned... I know a lot is expected of you and there are so many people begging you for delegation. Some of them act high and mighty when a plankton asks them for an upvote but yet they will beg you like they are dying of hunger.
I know that must annoy you,but that or anything related, should not be a reason for you not to step on down a bit.

Im telling you, having honest, casual human interactions with users on the blockchain helps maintain stability and user satisfaction.
Tell that guy that painted a nice picture that it was cool. That you liked how this other girl sings.... That goes a long way and you yourself will feel better that you made some plantkon or minnow feel good. And thats without using any upvotes.
Anyways...
Have a nice day.

As a content creator, that has taken a huge risk by going full time on this block chain...invested a ton of money and sacrificed a lot of time from my family to create a show for this platform...fighting and struggling to feed my family and pay the bills from my earnings here...trying to be a case study that shows "yes you can make a living doing this"....I think I speak for many here when I say......Please don't let us think this is how you prefer to use your Voting Power that could instead be changing many of our lives.
man please don't flag me....after 18 months of grinding I only just hit a 70 rep

This is @rest100 and I approve this comment I live for the blockchain!

I feel and understand your perspective, however, my choice to not be voting up content luckily does not change the economic opportunity for creators — rather when I don’t vote, it allows more to be distributed by others. The same amount of “pie” is available and arguably more, when I don’t eat any.

Fair enough....just remember how important perception can be....especially now with the new HF and the potential it serves to bring a lot of new faces here.
You could be a great leader to this community, for many of us....I just don't want to see this kind of stuff dishearten new users as it is disheartening myself right now.
And @rest100 ....fuck yeah buddy...I'm so glad I brought you to steemit...we've ground it out since day 1 of arriving. #steemlifebaby
Now I need to go get my season one finale of Hots or Shots ready to release.
Peace and Love (when possible) to all of you!

keepcalmandsteemon

TrueTopRankSteemians

TimCliff recently encouraged everyone to rally on social media to bring users to this platform. Well, this right here is why I chose to not participate. Do I believe in the potential of this platform? You bet I do. Do I think we're ready to onboard mainstream users into debacles like this? Uhhmm...no.

I don't trust the corporate machine behind this platform. I think blind trust is dangerous in any venue where leaders stand to gain more than the populace. I just wish there was more incentive for content creators to contribute here instead of other platforms. Here, it's a struggle just to stay alive.

I won't lie though, when I say it's been an honor to face that struggle.
It's been an honor to create content solely for this community....with this community.
My show has allowed me to meet some amazing people in this community, such as yourself @rhondak
I look forward to launching the new show and then planning season 2 of HoS.

proudsteemian

True...I hesitate. If I bring people into this mess after talking it up like I have.... I'd look like a fool...

Yep.

sounds whiney and ungrateful, Stop deoending on others when you could be applying for federal grants and getting nmassive steempower for various projects liek getting peopel to quit smoking or loose weight... but you probobkly wont even apply for these grants https://grants.gov its so easy yet most steemians will assume they cant possibly buy steempower with a federal grant EVEN THOUGHJ YOU CAN and that money is tHERE for us, even if youre not American you can use me as your american to apply for this stuiff, its just so easy and all we gotta do is actually apply for grants, theres FREE money being PRINTED up and its our OBLIGATION to actually capture it and restore it to a moral system liek steem where it can be stored in steempower and then used in upvotes

Theres also all sorts of simpel ways to start getting ready for teh steemit inc IPO by promoting steem on instagram and using your post rewards to do what @jerrybanfield does but nooo we all just let jerry banfield do all that work and NO ONE follows him in his wake ! Its pathetic and you should all be shamed of yourself for not working by doing simple things like pouring money into posts about promoting steem on 4chan and reddit

reddit is perfect rercruiting tool and we ALL need to spend a few hours a day on there, making reddit posts, reposting those to steem, i mean come ON people its not that hard to work like an ANT colony of cryptocurrency sales people

become like the wofl of wall street!
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Here is our new target for hard fork 21! mass adoption and marketing towards reddit r/bitcoin and 4chan biz users

http://i.imgur.com/Y96P3fx.gif

He was actually rallying for INVESTORS, whatever that actually means, when he probably meant buyers or traders since investors actually put their money into a business to give it leverage upon which to grow, and this is a decentralized system. They can invest in a company like dtube or vimm.tv or zappl, they cannot invest in a blockchain, though they can invest in the company that allegedly makes it. And so on.

That said, can you imagine if he DID manage to bring some big money in just weeks before the pre HF crash and then the actual HF crash?

The internet would be on fire with angry "investors" and that kind of shit is hard to recover from.

But these guys are all so damn hell bent on being in a hurry, while falling over themselves slowing themselves down with mistakes, you'd think they were all like in their 20s and early 30s, fresh out of college and had no actual business or career experience or something...

or something

I had the same thought--"what if the social media campaign had been successful?" God almighty. Can you imagine the backlash after the fork? Makes me turn over in my grave and I'm not even dead yet.

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bro ned just said hes gonna ban you from the front end!

Looks liek free speech is over

what say you @ned i mean the text doesnt lie

Observe @Blacklist-A:
Complete with censorship instructions stored by keeping them OFF-CHAIN because that's how management rolls around here, not using the product, because why would the guards live in the prison?

https://pastebin.com/h1unSks2

"@blacklist
Version 1.0.0.0

The Steemit @Blacklist uses a range of metrics to determine who's a repeat offender of plagiarism, hate speech, bullying, ongoing power-abuse and so on. The Blacklist is computer-generated and is updated irregularly to make sure bad behaving accounts get a quick flag so that other upvote-bots can avoid upvoting the blacklisted accounts and simply skip to the next post. The @blacklist-project is a much wider and further stretching authority than any of the singular up or downvoting guilds currently running on steemit, it is also complimentary to current projects in the same genre which are to keep the steem-blockchain unattractive for scammers, spammers and miserable trolls who are caught bullying or go after steemians in a power-abusive behaviour and so forth and so on.

The @blacklist account is a very serious project who aim to grow over the years with supporting bots and guilds respecting the black flag as the black flag is computer-generated by a popular opinion from a wide range of always active members of the community.

There are one way to get off the blacklist once you are on it, and that is to change your behavior from evil to good over your next 40 posts. Once you have reached that number you must send 40 STEEM to the @blacklist account with "REVIEW" in the memo. Someone from our staff will then manually look at your blog within the next 24-48 hours and remove you from the list if your account now qualifies for it.

The Blacklist contains between 200-500 accounts at any given time. The list grows or shrinks depending on user behavior (1) and user-reaction (2).

https://steemd.com/@blacklist-a

I actually agree with this logic completely, and respect you for it @Ned. It would be nice to see more support for trusted curation groups though, seeing as currently curation isn’t getting much support.. and I think everyone can agree that it is an important part of the ecosystem here.

There are many great initiatives that work each day to improve this platform, while not trying to get something out of it. Some non profit curation groups to consider might be - @curie, @c-cubed, @travelfeed among others. As someone who spends hours a day trying to ensure those authors that add so much value to this place are seen, I would love to see you and Steemit Inc. be a bigger part of that.

nah he cant waste his time with those groups that are just not meant to be given attention curation is not this big thing to focus on its an after thought, when steem is high enough curation can be sold to investors as some sort of great dividend like in the stock market, but for now its not something @ned should worry about, and what you are really asking is for Ned to station someoen and give up some of his steempower for helpinggroups that are fine on their own, sorry, its not needed, but i know you were just trying to talk and add something

but everyone is trapped in this yes man brown nose mode with ned no one wants to actually tell him that hes lazy and isnt working hard enough, and haha when you actually tell otehr steemianbs that they get all defensive for ned, like cucks, its pathetic, like Ned doesnt need any praise he needs viscious 4chan style internet attacks pon his lack of motivation or vision. When @mughat desytroyed hios entire good person 1 person 1 vote token idea ned KEPT tryin to act like he was right without any evidence or morals, he literaly brought up some crap about how he wante dto impress the NAACP like whut? since when is Steemit icn focused on charities and welfare groups to help minorities? Is steemit inc just another branch of the democratic party? no really

and also why do you all think youre so important/ Barely ANYONE on steem is important Especially ned, only Dan was important, and ned pushed him out with his irational egosim that wasnt alligned in anyones self interest but stubborness, i mean haha Ned is now taking credit for building User Interfaces, he takes credit for SMTs when mughat invented it he trakes credit for all sorts of shit he didnt create, he has like TWO programmers working at steemiut inc and expects peopel liek roadscape to do ALL teh work on cummunities probobly for free, and ned thinks thats soem sort of good thing downsizing to the max and hoarding as much of the steempower as possible instead of actively using it to hire people PROFESSIONALS not ANYONE from within not any of our losers but REAL social media pros from instagram and reddit who can actually bring INVESTORS and ATTRACTIVE WOMEN from Instagram, who have more followers than we have USERS! I had Madison.nm. the daughter of EOSsandiego call me and she was so not interested in steem... its pathetic guys we have a dud leading us, no one wants him, no one wants steem, eos will just clone the entire blog chaina nd just airdropp all steemians some free eos steem clone tokens if we have to

Steem is about the FUTURE.. Ned evcn knows this that the FUTURE steem users will make our CURRENT core group look pathetic! Some humans are just better than others and were gonna see that first hand when the new users come in and make us ALL look pathetic liek we werent really working hard at ALL.... only a few people like @jesta and inertia and a few others do any real work thats useful;, creating things liek @vessel when ned should have been spoearheaidng those things, or at least givin some delegation to @jesta or giving him PUBLIC support

Ned doenst HAVE TO GIOVE ANY DELEGATION OR UPVOTES he can just give his ATTENTION

Him and surfyopgi had teh same bullshit prpoblem where they tried to act liek theyre too godo for us liek they are too good to communicate to steemians, when were aALL THEY GOT qnd NO ONE is fuckin joining this shithole untill ned actually PUTS TIME into beinga LEADER

Like honestly what teh rfuck is he doing with his time thats os important that he cant make a fuckin daily post? he obviously is faking a lot, hes being a poser, the bitcoin fortuen he must have made went to hsi head and he actually BELIEVED his own bullshit thinking he is some financial genius who has all teh answers!

reallly makes me angry at how many people want to kiss up to him when theres no reason to, he wont give out upvotes, hah but he will flag @sircork for disagreeing with him LOL

Serioulsy ned is the head of a "social media platform" and yet he doesnt communicate... when he does leave a few comments heer or there, its like its TOO LATE he already SHOWED himself to be a dead beat dad

hes a typical dead beat dad, id hate to be his kids, gettin shown no attention, meh probably because his own father didnt show him attention so he thinks he can go through life and just get away with doing the absolute minumum and expect us ALL to be onbaord and not try to get his assets seized by the Feds?

the SEC could make him eitehr step down liek Elon Musk OR hire a board of directors from COMPETANT tech companies, and launch an IPO for steemit inc, go public, become teh first crypto currency ETF, and now see THAt would get things moving

otherwise steem coudl very well die and anyone ANYONE thinking about investing is PROBOBLY being told by SMARTER people right now that -they should just wait for EPOS

I mean even GOLOS is going to be using EOS
https://golos.io/ru--golos/@goloscore/razvitie-put-na-decentralizaciyu-predlozhenie-o-perevode-blokchein-golos-na-eos-protokol

hahaha its like all steem has going for it is @dlux-io by @disregardfiat

Even @steemmonsters is becoming very sketchy with how much money they have made without having any sort of playable product at all, just a big mess of artists and story lines, there will probobly be no steem monsters game im calling it now, it will most likely fall apart just like DLIVE, ANOTHER scam Ned let slip through his fingers and even @surfyogi ADMITTED he knew it was a big scam that ned kind of just aALLOWED to happen, AND Ned bought a mercedes and didnt show anyone, like hes ashamed, and you all know teh scammer @zeartul also bought a mercedes scamming steemians with the belly rub bank... coincidence? WHo knows

But the Facts are, ned is iresponsible and not a leader.... he aallowed the signup screen to ask peopel to PAY to signup, pathetoicm and a HUGE turn oiff, ive had countless young attractive peopel from instagram get TURNED off from wanting to joinw hen they see that you have to PAY to signup... and without ned ever paying @pharesim for steeminvite we are FUCKED and theres NO WAY to get an instant account anymore and im sorry but paying $10 to $20 on vessel or steemconnect for a fucking steem account is UNACCEPTABLE and NO ONE will be doing that, its an unrealistic fantasy world that steem is living in... NO ONE will need stee,m by the time SMts come out, it will be forked or cloned over onto EOS with an aoirdrop and we will have all moved onto better and boigegr things

all because ned refused to work harder for us and accept his role as leader, ned refused to lead a campaign to gain new investors by creating daily videos, all he had to do was fly around the country visiting steemians, giving out big life changing upvotes,it would have been so easy

seriously our whales mostly suck and are just lucky bitcoin investors who gambled and bought bitcoin early and needed something fun to invest in thus their steem investments

we need NEW whales and we need to INSPIRE the hardest working minnows with people that ned can HIRE to go around the country with the steem or steemit or ned active key and UPVOTE people $100 to $1000 upvotes Live in camera to show people crying over it etc, itd be so easy but noiooo excueses excuses ...

wee all done trying to impress ned, the only way to even GET hois attention is to challenge his morals like @mughat and expose him for being an inteelcturla fraud who cares baout the collective instead of the indidvidual and or be liek @sircork and just tell the trutha nd reveal neds incpompoetance

Not sure my response was brown nosing in the slightest.. my point was I agreed with him not curating himself.. because, you know.. he’s the CEO and has other stuff he should be doing. I didnt make my comment to get a dumb upvote or suck up.. I did it because he mentioned curating and I think it’s something he and Steemit Inc. have dropped the ball on, so I told him so... and no I have absolutely no interest in his SP.. so yeah.

As far as we need new whales.. I hear you can become a whale my investing a large amount of your own money in the platform, maybe something to look into.

Would you ever consider delegating a piece of that pie? I'd eat it wisely.

I've been a member since 9/20/2016. I started with nothing and didn't know anyone.

Since then I've been able to amass a small fortune of 23250 SP. I've taken the organic approach to all of this. A reputation of 71.7 given to me by the community; not purchased.

I produce my own unique style of digital art and combine that with words of a humorous nature, most days. Other days I'm trying to be creative, telling a good story, or simply rambling on about nothing. There aren't many entertainers on the platform but if one was to stick a label on me, I guess I'm one of those, or at least try.

In many ways, I've already proven one can make a living doing this. 98% of what I've earned here, stayed here, as proof of what can be accomplished. The other 2% was reinvested; some of those profits came back to this platform to replace what was missing.

Of that 23250 SP, 1085 was earned through curation. I've pressed that magic button manually 21202 times as of this writing.

I believe these recent changes now offer a greater incentive to curate and power up than ever before. I thought that's what people wanted. While so many were up in arms claiming these changes won't work, saying people won't be able to get anywhere; it didn't take me long to realize it's not all up to head office. There are thousands of people here, all they have to do is push the button. Those at the bottom will only stay there if we hold them there.

I'd like to be able to press the button more often. I prefer to support timeless content and interesting people. Those with a strong work ethic, the ability to entertain or captivate their viewership; they stand out in my eyes. Those writing books, producing music, showing off their art and photography, leading interesting lives and sharing that here; they typically see my vote. I'm not interested in only supporting certain groups. A seasoned veteran, new member, everyone in between; they all deserve their shot. I'm not interested in flag wars or using the vote as a way to take sides in debate.

I'm not part of any groups here. Somehow I've managed to experience some measure of success while being an outsider the entire time. I rarely make appearances outside of this platform to chat with the locals or take sides in our politics, though I've been invited several times.

A long Canadian winter is on the horizon. That means I'll have plenty of time to spend evaluating content and taking on the role of curator seriously all while maintaining a high standard of professionalism.

I can take 'no' for an answer but a 'sure, why not' would be preferred. I'd put it to good use and if it was taken away, that only affects me, as an individual, rather than a large organization who's success depends on it; so it's not a big deal.

Thanks for your time.

True, like it or not.

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> ...after 18 months of grinding I only just hit a 70 rep

@ned is only a 69 rep, if he had flagged you your rewards for that comment would have suffered, but he cannot affect your REP...

You cannot affect REPs higher than yours...

Please don't flag me... i am only a 61 and tht can hurt...

So what prevents you from implementing a platform similar to the post HF20 STEEM minus the premining?
I can help with ideas for improvement.
I will join and will advertise it to others.
Might even try to study parts of the code and change it to implement improvements.
It should be a freemium like steemit, where everyone starts from an initially equal stake, except maybe from the staff, then again, the staff will be the first users and will have an immediate advantage because of it.
The staff will also be the first witnesses.
This place is too corrupt to save and you know it.

The staff will also be the first witnesses.
This place is too corrupt to save and you know it.

These two sentences speak volumes about THIS place...

This is why I used the word "this" in regards to "this place".
So what prevents you from offering a better alternative?
You will be able to automatically draw the better users from here, and initially, some of the worse.
In a place where patrice (whom you vote for as a witness here) does not receive a delegation from the house, and berniesanders (to whom you also vote for as a witness), and his likes (to which you also vote for as witness/es) will not have a humongous initial advantage?
Coming to verify my statements here I just saw how glaringly atrocious your votes to witnesses are as a whole.
Maybe I should have left your repeated avoidance from answering as it is.

The people you cite as my "atrocious" choices, are perhaps chosen specifically because they are quite likely not part of the establishment which your conflicting and quite propaganda laden messages seem to be speaking against, while apparently supporting with this conflicting commentary.

It's gross assumption to assume anyone could automatically "draw" the "better" users anywhere. Anymore than say Julian Assange or Edward Snowden have really done much to change anything with their attempts to expose corruptions and lead people to a "better" place.

I am suspect of your commentary. Its appears to conflict with itself. And I think that might be very much by design.

I saw your last reply only now.
You keep ignoring some of my questions.

>are perhaps chosen specifically because they are quite likely not part of the establishment

Patrice is a part of the establishment, and its worst part at that.

followbtcnews and someguy123 are a part of the establishment, hence their high rank in the witnesses list and votes that they receive from the established witnesses clique, which they are a part of.
ats-witness (preminer) and guiltyparties may be a part of it too.

I can only admit that your list of picks is more anti establishment, than established people's lists are, but your list still succeeds to be worse than lists of any established user, with the exception of the MSP clique's.
Being anti-establishment or anti-anything is not always conductive to being better than it.

>which your conflicting and quite propaganda laden messages seem to be speaking against, while apparently supporting with this conflicting commentary.

>I am suspect of your commentary. Its appears to conflict with itself. And I think that might be very much by design.

Where the contradictions in my comments are?

What propaganda is in my comments?

Why according to your manipulative process of interaction, should I contradict myself, and do it by design at that?

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Great, that's very important @ned . That, and with what I said above about Coinbase including Steem in it's "other assets", could combine to make both the network and the value of Steem explode... once it's both easy for "normies" to onboard, AND for them to buy Steem with USD.
Has Steem Inc applied for listing via Coinbase brand new submission form?
https://listing.coinbase.com/

I'll have to pinch myself to see if I'm dreaming once STEEM is on Coinbase. A dream come true!

THAT would be amazing

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>I am working on an entirely new UI to take the mantle of onboarding normies into crypto.

This is interesting, looking forward to this @ned. Looking forward to many things, but this was unexpected, in a very good way.

Thank you for taking the time to do UI/UX for Normies. It seems no matter what is done, steemit.com is the url that people voluntarily chose, trust and I do not think that will change.

Will the new system make it easy to create quickly a lot of paper-wallets or account-claim codes for giveaways on stands and events?

>Thank you for taking the time to do UI/UX for Normies. It seems no matter what is done, steemit.com is the url that people voluntarily chose, trust and I do not think that will change.

Yeah, Steemit will continue to be the face of STEEM. Even though I know of and use other interfaces such as Busy, SteemPeak, and Partiko, I still think of Steemit.com as the baseline with which all others are compared. (And the one I somehow prefer regardless of its lack of pertinent info like VP%)

An excellent, sleek, modern UI would do wonders for Steemit. Interested to see what @ned is hinting at here! I hope it includes significant gamification. If people think Steemit is addictive now, it could be riveting with proper gamification.

Except everything will be new. In order to give the project maximal potential I’m building it under a new corporate structure with new top tier scalable name and domain (mobile first, though) and mission leveraging much experience gained, I believe much to the benefit of everyone, who will join.

Ned I've been messaging you for an idea I have on twitter, but you never replied. Do you even check your tweets there?

On a break from Twitter — you can find me on steem.chat @ned or email contact@steemit.com

damn an all I ever wanted was for @ned to notice my song for Steemit ;(

Nice to know there is other way to contact you except steem.chat. My steem.chat account was banned by an admin of chat for retaliation, because I posted an article to show that he is a spammer.

Nice I'll be making the switch when it's released.

> @ned wrote: I believe much to the benefit of everyone, who will join.

That sounds Awesome, I have a feeling this can be huge! Please tell me when to join. I got a phone :)

Will attention still be given to this platform, after the new UI is released? Also, maybe I am missing something, but why so much flagging on @sircork's commentary? It may be extreme, or a bit sharp, but I don't see why the captain of the ship oughta knock his rep down by 5 points. Just wondering.

Why not just use something like https://steempeak.com ? It's far better already.

Looking forward to the UI roll-out.
Hopefully, a greater UX?

I've always had the feeling that it is the right approach just not very well communicated.

Steemit.inc has the ressources to concentrate on the blockchain development itself and steemit.com is treated as a proof of concept and there are many incentives for developpers to create Interfaces and enhance the user experience.

It is the non written strategy and i thing it is the right one.

the steem blockchain is much more than a simple blogging platform, and empowering outsiders to develop interfaces and uses while working on the blockchain itself is a brilliant formula.

You spend a lot of time thinking about men sucking cocks, @netuoso and apparently you also spend a lot of time thinking about me. Which is odd, because i spend zero time thinking about you until ginabot reminds me you are a sociopath again.

You see, Im not sure what your goal is, you seem to love wasting mana and RC, and for what? My comments dont have rewards I care at all about and rep? LOLOLOLOLOLOL means nothing, and IF it did, id just bot it back up. But its a useless tool, just like YOU, you little assclown. Go spend your money on some platform shoes so you can reach the dicks you daydream about easier.

And please do carry on flagging. It makes you look so macho and tough and cool.

Now Im off to handle things that dont concern children like you. Go back to laying in your treefort at mommys and staring at the ceiling with your butthurt on fire over me. I enjoy that image of you, all contorted and angry, while i go back to forgetting you exist again till you light up ginabot like the obsessive little fuckwad you have always been.

Thank you for this positive update!

It was an exciting week to witness my first hardfork on the Steem blockchain. Hoping though we have learned a lesson and I think Steem urgently needs a (better) testnet with real-word data and activity to prevent such serious bugs that happend last week.

This is exactly what we needed to hear for the team. I hope the witnesses and community align with the ultimate goal trying to be achieved here. The only additional feedback I would provide to you is please improve the transparency and communication of the process. It is clear that when crisis arise, that teams are prioritized to engage the challenge but better communication is needed to manage expectations. Thanks!

Good work!

Not having Steemit was like quitting smoking and heroin on the same day. I wandered around feeling like I was in requiem for a dream

I love that Tom Hanks quote. Also, there's no crying on the blockchain.

YES

thank you for this!

i really appreciate that you're trying to reach consensus regarding this. as it's difficult to reach T20 witnesses, I created a public form in my latest post

Share Your Opinion: Reaching A Consensus on Subsidizing Activities for Newcomers

explaining where we're at and inviting people to share their opinions. in this way, witnesses can come to us!

I think bringing the opinions of good actors from all different circles of Steem will be helpful. I look forward to hearing some ideas from witnesses about the subsidization plan to make sure newcomers have a good user experience.

Thank you for putting it forward that you are in discussions with witnesses for developing standards for testing code.

There do need to be defined methods and standards on how the hard forks are tested...and the code needs to be reviewed.

It should possibly be considered that hard forks need to be reduced in size and possibly reviewed independently as well. Maybe they should be broken into pieces that are named and added independently, with portions possibly being put off and reviewed for longer periods.

As to the resource credits...it doesn't seem like things are properly balanced right now. The smallest accounts should be able to post once or twice a day and make a few comments. Most people only post a few times a day. Everyone should be able to vote 100% on enough comments and posts to stay below 100% VP as well.

Perhaps new accounts could be limited to at most 5 posts or comments. It's possible they could be limited further as well. People that have been here longer and gotten maybe around 100 SP should be limited a bit less perhaps, but still, 5 posts/comments per day would not necessarily be bad.

This 10x increase is a bit too much obviously though, as even with just a bit of SP, larger accounts can spam freely. A limit on some accounts may create an issue if we get some games here, but for now, we should consider if perhaps the curve should be lessened a bit for accounts as they get more SP.

Most people only need to post or comment a few times per day. A limit of 10 comments or posts on accounts of a few hundred SP might not even be noticed, for example, though that harsh of a limit might be a bit too much.

this is a valuable comment, I had to scroll all the way down the page but I finally found it, voted it to shift it up.

I would like to say that I disagree with the general sentiment behind it:

If you nerf someone under 15SP its censorship.

Well, I think it does have to be a huge debate on how much is a normal amount that new accounts will be fine with. I used 5 as a restrictive example. The main thing is that we need to figure out something that's usable, even if they have to work a bit to get themselves above that. Kinda like a game.

If we give them too many though, then we have to decrease the speed that the number of posts increases by or it will just allow abuse.

But, if we restrict the number of posts on the tinniest of minnows, they'll wait to post the most important of comments and posts, and work to grow.

But it is very important that everyone debates this, to get the exact number right.

I personally feel that allowing freedom of speech is more important than not allowing abuse.

In my mind it is the harmfulness of abuse that should be approached. I know that its a difficult problem to solve, so difficult that the human race doesn't have good solutions for post moderation yet as a whole, on the other hand I think steem already provides an elegant solution, in the long run however the success of it completely depends on whether it allows people freedom or not, I've been around the block on steem, and my impression is that the types of policing that does exist is often more of a moneymaking racket than people making posts that are similar, badly researched, unsourced, etc etc.

Research articles is in my mind the lowest form of the blog, and personal opinion the highest and most valuable form, so that probably helps to explain why I have the thoughts on the subject that I do.

I like the anarchic, free atmosphere of the internet, it allows people to be themselves without living in fear, we all need to learn how to police outright scams, spams, properly abusive use of competitions, groups and services ourselves, so that we as a community can figure out what is the most elegant and effective patch that can eventually be used to automate the processes we do manually.

I hope we're looking at the situation with clear vision and the road ahead with enough foresight not to make steem boring, which it already is in many ways, to the frustration of many long term internet users.

I like your points, and I'm not trying to counter them in any way, I'm just hoping to add some ideas to the discourse.

It's not really censorship. If you don't pay for someone else to publish an article in your newspaper, it's not censorship. The fact is that it costs money to run sites. It costs quite a bit of money. The current blockchain incarnation is already fucking huge. Every witness server might be big enough to run this site by itself if it weren't on a blockchain. We can't have people abusing the system and making it harder to run the site. The question is how much are we going to supplement newbs, so they can earn enough to support themselves on here.

If the rates that are implemented are too restrictive, we can establish groups to find people to target for delegations. It's not that huge of an issue.

But it certainly feels like a huge issue when you're a new user and you're told that you haven't invested enough to comment any more times per day.

Of course, if they put in as much as they pay for their cell phone, they could probably get on fine. But we aren't quite that good for most yet.

Steem is not a newspaper its a blog.

If you're paying anyone to blog you're being ripped off.

If you have to 'put in' anything to get your blog hosted on steem it would immediately lose its credibility as a blogging platform.

Every cent that steem is worth, comes from people posting, the witnesses arent providing the bloggers with a service, they're harvesting the value from bloggers posts, and getting rewarded for it based on bloggers witness votes.

Can you imagine facebook limiting people from commenting, posting etc?

I'm not really arguing I'm just adding to the discourse I get your point of course, but I think that things have changed, social services HAVE to be free and they HAVE to pay the content creator, we all know this is the future.

Can you imagine if a newspaper charged their reporters for the articles? or the correspondance writers for their letters? that would be considered crazy.

I'm not really disagreeing, I'm agreeing, I just hope that those who hold the reins can be trusted to not adjust the parameter in their own favor and to rather adjust it in the bloggers favor, do you think that is a realistic thing to expect when bloggers have no control and only witnesses do?

See the problem is subtle, and is only likely to expose itself down the line when people get hindered by greedy witnesses choking the chain for more moola.

Anyway time will tell if their hearts are pure enough to ignore profit ;)

Everyone pays for hosting. How they do it is the difference. On some sites you pay for it with your eyes on advertisers. On some you pay with your data...and eyes on advertisements, because that's practically free money. Here, you pay with investment and in turn get paid. They probably could just cover everyone with the investments of the larger accounts, but they decided that there were certain accounts abusing the system. To deal with that, they decided to put in this system. Now the question is how much to limit small accounts, because the system as it was originally implemented was thought to be too strict.

As to the value of Steem...it's actually a split. There are certainly a lot of bloggers here that bring value...as well as some that are just leeches, but the actual value of Steem is caused by investors and traders, evaluating a number of factors, including the platform.

They've basically just turned it into a game where you have to level up first to be able to use it constantly. I have faith that many that we want to stay will deal with the limits for long enough that they can grow their account a bit. There will also be groups that pop up to increase people's delegations that appear to be really good users.

So far the worst post spammers have been reduced by about 80% it seems. Out of the top 10, that removes about 900 posts a day from the chain I think it was.

It is a balancing act at the moment but later on it will be more fine tunable through the delegation of RCs (when that arrives) I think as then they can reduce the 10x and then leave it up to those who want to delegate (like Dapps and communities) which means they can also undelegate if abused.

You make a good point. The majority of the spammers are limited at least a bit by this change. Any ones that want to continue to spam have to hold Steem, which I suppose is a good thing.

I do think they should be a bit more limited than they are currently though. The question is how much.

If users are limited to only a few posts/comments per day until they get at least a few SP, would it really be so bad?

I don't think they have to be limited totally. If you think that if a dapp onboards them and discounts their usage on their platform, they can cut delegation. If a community onboards them they are welcoming in people they have somewhat vetted which reduces the risk of abuse. but if thy do abuse, cut delegation.

The RC delegation can work like the SP delegation earlier so that it erodes as the account earns their own. This means that it takes time to get to the zero point and then earn more to be able to really spam.

Well, the RC delegation does mean that it won't be such a big deal if we do limit the posts extremely...but we'd have to have communities that do those first.

There will also be people that come here knowing nothing...so we would have to watch for new users that show promise, if we limited people too much.

There will also likely be communities that don't necessarily know if the people that register there are going to be quality posters...

>but we'd have to have communities that do those first.

It will arrive. just think about now (before) they have to do drives for SP delegations for their users. Pass around the hat so to speak. Delegating SP loses voting power so is harder to give away than 'unused' bandwidth.

>There will also be people that come here knowing nothing...so we would have to watch for new users that show promise, if we limited people too much.

The community could welcome in with a better onboarding system meaning the users come in understanding the suggestions. A few front end tweaks would solve a lot of the Spam before it starts.

>There will also likely be communities that don't necessarily know if the people that register there are going to be quality posters...

The community itself starts to police itself and doesn't need to use flags to do so.

@steemitblog Thank you people. I can understand the pain you are taking for maintaining this. Even debugging a code takes hours sometime. Initially when I came to crypto honestly I dont have much hope . Because its a human nature to not able to accept any changes in life. We may have many doubts. But Steemit changed my entire ideology. Just looking this wonderful platform and community support I think future of crypto is going to be bright and it will change the world we see foreever. And its better to understand it.

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"Because its a human nature to not able to accept any changes in life."
Wow, I have never heard about that kind of statement. My experience in life is that it is changing every day. I wish you good luck staying where you are!

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@Masterthematrix just for example I am not good at travel. If some one want to go for a trip I will avoid that. Saturdays and sundays I prefer in the comfort of home. In India we think professional course is best. Most indian parents cannot accept any other future for children. They want to marry children from their own community. When bitcoin came I knew about it and was afraid in investing about it. If I would have brought some I would have been a millionare :p Changes will happen . But we should have a will to understand and accept it. That is lacking in a conservative mindset.

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I love this 😍

> It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.
> ―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own

https://youtu.be/zyiQl2mDHsE

how many witnesses?
it would appear that having only 20 TOP witness control the blockchain is insufficiente.
perhaps it should be decentralized a bit.

what do you mean, how many witnesses and that we should decentralize a bit?

@fyrst-witness is geolocated as close to the North Pole as possible, others have witnesses in USA, EU, Africa, Scandinavia, ASIA, Australia as close to the south pole as they can.... very long list.

RPC Full Nodes on the other hand, could be much more decentralized and plentiful. I feel it is in the RPC Full Node world the real bottleneck is at the moment.

Maybe we should do something about that problem, because that is how we make STEEM accessible around the world. The more RPC Fullnodes there are, the better network we will have.

Something we could pool together on.

If I understand it correctly Steem has 20 witnesses that control it.
the other hundred or more are pretty much superfluous as far as 'consensus' goes.
Suppose in stead of having a top twenty witnesses we had more?
that's what I meant by 'decentralizing'.

Why Not Bit Torrent Witnesses?

Why should there be a limit for Steem witnesses, why stop at only twenty? Instead, why not adopt Bit Torrent style relationships between blockchains and witnesses, servers, like Bitcoin, like Bit Torrent?

Paid To Witness?

Should a witness be paid, rewarded, for however much hard drive and RAM, GHZ, resources (RC), computing power, memory, and everything, they loan out to the blockchains?

It Already Works?

We can see that Bit Torrent, Bitcoin, and others, already have these kinds of things. We all should be rewarded for being complete or partial Witnesses, that is whenever we choose to be Witnesses at any level, be it each day, once a week, or whatever, as in whenever we want to turn our servers on or off?

Any Level

A witness should have control on how much they donate out, be it some HDD, some RAM, a lot of it, or even all of it, as they please, at any time, day or night, with a press of a button. How much we loan out or sell out to the blockchains, where the blockchain pays to play with our RAM, our HDD, our whatever, our things, should be up to us, we the people as servers, as potential witnesses.

Motivated to Witness? Yeah!

That encourages more people to be witnesses, to make it all more decentralized and less stoppable by government, big tech, Bill Gates, competitors, Apple, Facebook, Google, Twitter, DARPA, the NWO, China, Jihadism, corporatism, monopolies, technocracy, plutocracy, deep state, globalism, etc.

Let's do this!!

@steemitblog,
There is a issue of undelegation might kill the voting power back to 0%. I hope your team might concern about that issue as well! Thank you for this update!

Cheers~

Hi
I was pretty sure that the ability to edit our old posts was to be included in this Hard Fork. Do you know when it will be implememted?
Thanks
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I also recall seeing that and I was happy to be able to update old posts and republish them. I hope this feature will be released.

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Thanks, I just learned that it may apply only to posts after the HF 20.

I agree, I am pretty sure I saw it also.

Thanks, I just learned that it may apply only to posts after the HF 20.

I think it’s just the ability to edit posts made after HF20 Indefinatly . They can’t change the historical transactions as they are locked in the blockchain.

Hi
Thanks for the reply. That makes sense.
I will correct/update my HF 20 Post accordingly.

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Glad to see this final positive announcement. It is all collective work which made this happen and things got recovered. When are the exchanges deposits/withdrawals resuming?

Thanks for keeping us posted. I also see an effort to communicate professionally - although I think a video/radio broadcast similar to @aggroed's Witness Panel on MSP-Waves would raise Steemit's comms profile even futher.

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Is it true that any upvote(solo or collectively) that is less than 0.03 won't be counted? And please correct me if I am wrong on something here... But...

From what I understand, previously if enough people upvoted and pushed the vote payout to over 0.02 it would be added to the votepayout. I have some people telling me this is no longer the case.

If that is true, this makes anyone who has 350 ish SP's 100% vote worthless, as it isn't above 0.02 in vote payout. So the only real reason to own some SP then is to have just enough to utilize the network. In the future if prices go back up their vote would be worth something, presently it is not and just counts as a "like" and adds no value.

That is most sad for us, because most of the people in our curation trail's upvotes are worth nothing now. Someone who has 1,000 SP and upvote follows us at 20%, their vote does nothing now.

I think this should be changed to accept a lower value WHEN the price of Steem/SBD is low. it makes sense for the threshold to be variable in my opinion. If prices rise then the threshold rises, but not linearly.

I don't know the exact number in terms of value (it likely depends on the market price of STEEM), but what was done is to convert the dust vote threshold where votes would previously have been rejected altogether, into a deduction where you can still vote but it doesn't have any effect on reward.

Any vote that you would have been able to make at all (without it being rejected with an error message) prior to this update does count. Votes that would have been rejected altogether before are now accepted as "vote only" (no reward).

EDIT: I looked in the developer discussion and it seems the threshold was estimated at something like 0.0001 STEEM. This affects truly tiny votes, not most merely small ones below 0.01 reward.

There are two different dust mechanics.

The first is the dust upvote threshold, which is set at 50M rshares (closer to 0.001). Before HF20, upvotes below this level were not even accepted. Now all upvotes are decreased by this amount, so upvotes below this are treated as 0 but still work.

The second is the dust payout threshold, where posts/comments below the threshold (I think it's actually 0.02, but it's frequently cited as 0.03 to allow for variance in the value before payout) are not paid out. When a post fails to reach the dust payout threshold, there is no payment. As long as the post exceeds the dust payout threshold, then all upvotes that are above the dust upvote threshold are still counted.

For evidence of this, look at the curation history on an account like @sbi10... which does a lot of small upvotes for the smallest enrollment levels in the SBI program. The rewards you see here are from votes that ranged from 0.004 to 0.056 in value.

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Well said, thanks for clarifying this!

In my opinion, thats encouraging people to delegate to large promoting services instead of doing any meaningful curation by themself. Thats sad... =(
EDIT: Ok, seems to be not that worse.

only if they have under 30 SP though, which I think is fine, those people aren't all that tempted to delegate.

What I want to know? @steembasicincome

I have five accounts:

1. has 200 SP
2. has 300 SP
3. has 400 SP
4. has 500 SP
5. has 600 SP
   Which of these accounts are going to fail to reach the dust payout threshold at a 100% up vote?

https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@crokkon/how-will-the-hf20-dust-vote-changes-affect-the-vote-values

https://steemit.com/utopian-io/@crokkon/got-upvotes-but-no-payout-an-overview-of-the-situation-around-the-minimum-payout-threshold-1536870593455

Hey, @steemitblog, et al.

Thank you for stabilizing the changes made by the hard fork in the area of RCs. While I was not among those affected beyond Wednesday morning (PDT), I know through comments and posts read that people are glad to be able to get back to it.

I don't know if it's too early for community input or not, and if I have to go through a witness, I will, but I thought I would throw out a couple of things while it's fresh in my mind.

It's mentioned in the post that discussion could revolve around subsidization of the operations of the blockchain, which in essence seems to be happening now in some fashion, given the latest patch. I'm not sure if that means that things are similar to the way they were under bandwidth, where some might have been paying for other's use, or if subsidization was coming from Steemit or some mix, but in my estimation, rather than something built in, where it just happens, that it would be better if users with more RCs had a choice what to do with it.

I am one voice, so however consensus is reached, as long as it's true consensus among all those who know they should give their input and desire to share it (I would hope for tens of thousands at least), and they decide they want a certain percentage of RCs from each user to go to those without enough to operate, so be it.

However, I would much prefer to have the option to delegate, and to do so for free or at some cost, before subsidization automatically takes place.

I know that's more complicated, and that there will be plenty who might not want to participate anyway. However, it's not that much different than what it's been with delegating SP. You can certainly upvote at lower SP, but it doesn't mean it's going to be worth enough, even at 100%, to get much back in curation, and certainly not enough to regularly grow your account.

The difference being, you can't transact at all without sufficient RCs. Even so, I'm sure there will be many here who will voluntarily give of their RCs if they have it abundance. It's been happening with delegations.

The reason for this is to avoid inadvertently subsidizing the very spam accounts that this is supposed to be thwarting. There efforts will need to be continually hampered since their accounts will live on as long as STEEM does.

That said, I would guess that before anything would go into effect that the 10 x boost would need to be rolled back. Is there a timeline for that? An estimation? I ask because it would be good to start announcing what that time might be once the subsidization method is known, to give it some lead time and prepare people for it to occur.

Thaks you very much for this information..

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How about do a better PR (better information) and not overinflate the results (HF sucess)?

Thanks for your information @steemitblog

!muchas gracias por las actualizaciones, siempre están pensando como evolucionar en ascenso! el trabajo duro siempre dejara buenos frutos. gracias por hacer de este un lugar mejor!

Great job done!!!!!!!

Thank you for the hours of hard work that was involved in getting Steemit back on track...appreciate it! :)

Thanks for your great work. Everything turned out good after those difficulties at the start of HF 20.

But now that the system is so incredible scalable, how about create some big partnerships with known companies and do a hell lot of marketing to onboard 3million new users?

lean español señores, mas incoherentes no se puede ser, te quiero incluir pero debo pasar por los testigos primero y obtener su apoyo, wao se la comieron, todo esta bien pero vamos mal, en pocas palabras eso es lo que dicen, hablamos de comunidad pero, peeeeero los testigos primero y las grandes ballenas, y los pequeños que se jodan, no me vengan con hipocresia que si antes costaba ahora cuesta mas, por mi que se caiga steem, la verdad ni me afecta y les regalo la cuenta si gustan.

I'm glad the growing pains don't hurt so much anymore.

I will gauge success of this hard fork not by how badly it was implemented, but how Steemit Inc handles the corrective actions to prevent it from happening again. Please don't limit yourself to a discussion on how to improve, but actually put processes in place to guarantee that this mistake don't get repeated.

Speaking of:

> discussion about how we can ensure that this is a system that works for everyone.

We need a discussion about frozen wallets on exchanges.

It took 2 weeks for the first major exchange to unfreeze STEEM wallets. There are still many more exchanges with frozen wallets. If STEEM cannot function as a currency, the currency becomes worthless and there will be no incentive to use the STEEM apps.

What is Steemit Inc doing about this?

Are you willing to engage in a discussion about the exchange's STEEM wallet problem?

Amen @ socky.........I have waited for exchanges to un-freeze wallets to begin a steem deposit. I am sure I am one of many in this same situation! How do I tell my friends about steemit/steem and in the same breath them oh you can't buy or sell any. The first question I get from a non Crypto person is " can I sell this for USD "............ do I tell them well, not now?

@silvertop It's interesting to note that Coinbase users now see a "View More Assets" link beyond the five cryptos they now carry. Steem is one of them (of 50). I take this to mean that they are educating their current users about other cryptos available, and might be offering Steem and many many others for USD in the coming months.
https://www.coinbase.com/price/steem
See also their recent blog entry, saying they are intending to add as many cryptos as legally possible https://blog.coinbase.com/new-asset-listing-process-a83ef296a0f3
So, I'd tell your people they'd be smart to buy some just before it becomes available "for USD" as the price will likely be much higher once it's that easy to buy an sell and Coinbase.

Coinbase has been eluding to do this for a while. I think that more will be added .... sometime. It is so difficult to get any of my friends to buy into Crypto, in fact it's hard to get anyone I know to even start. I cannot even get my grown married sons to buy. This is why we need to make signing up at Steemit easy, to encourage the newbies. :)

Yeh, sometime... Yes, easy sign ups would be great. It was simple when I joined 2 years ago (and you got 5 free Steem).
I replied to ned below, asking of Steem Inc had applied to Coinbase yet, now that they have a form for it.

That would be so nice!!

Steem is no. 39 in the Market cap right now. Is there's any wallet except Coinbase wallet? The transaction fee in Coinbase wallet is too high...

That is a stretch. I wouldn't advise my friends to invest in STEEM because of a theory that Coinbase is going to list STEEM.

A listing on Coinbase will still not address the underlying problem with exchange STEEM nodes failing which causes wallets to be frozen.

So far, I see @bittrex getting STINC delegations to keep transferring. Binance's @deepcrypto8 still hasn't gotten any love yet, but I guess the @binance-hot one is the one that transfers to Steemians.

Also, @poloniex; not sure about other exchanges.

As many said already many times, Steemit Inc is in discussion with the major players and helping them get the wallets up and running.

The problem with wallets is a problem the exchanges have, not Steemit Inc. Blocktrades is up and running pretty quickly.

It is our currency that supports our social media platform. It is certainly NOT the problem of the exchanges. It is our problem. If STEEM dies, it would not affect those exchanges whatsoever.

You have also said that you didn't know who the liaisons are. Without any facts to back that statement up, then it is only hearsay.

What I mean is that only the exchanges can do it. It is in their control and only their control. That is the centralized nature of exchanges.

There is no public Team page I can link to, so there are no facts. Maybe something to ask Steemit Inc directly :)

Now you are starting to see why I want a discussion here :)

Then you are asking the wrong question ;) Ask who is the exchange relations person for Steemit Inc and maybe they answer. I tried getting a few people who know it to respond here, we will see if they do or not...

I believe I am asking the correct question. The liaison (or lack there of) is only part of the problem. It is apparent that the software that the nodes run is prone to failure and is too difficult for exchanges to operate effectively.

Is that apparent? It might be that exchanges just don't care to get a big enough server or have people as sysadmins who are incapable of running a node. I honestly have no clue what exchanges do. But running an exchange node is really not that hard. I would run one for every major exchange if they would trust me :D

It has been 15 days. Only Bittrex and Upbit wallets are functional. I will give the status tomorrow.
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 16 days...
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 17 days. There is no response from Steemit Inc.
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 18 days. Does anyone see how ridiculous this is?
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 19 days. No response from Steemit Inc.
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 20 days. Where is Steemit Inc?
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 21 days.
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Now 23 days. If you won't work with the exchanges, let one of us do it.
Exchanges with frozen STEEM wallets
* Poloniex
* Binance
* HitBTC
* Huobi
* Bithumb

Good to hear about the development of standards. Thanks for the detailed update and for the hard work.

We are very happy to return things to their nature

KEEP CALM AND STEEMit
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good job and thx

yeah, it's time to put creativity to work

I will take the opportunity to ask some developers the following:

You can create some application that is an RC calculator, how many actions can be done if they had an amount X of Sp ?.

Can they do some system that allows to determine which users should not be in a trail, due to the little RC they have so they do not have a bad experience?

I hope someone develops something like that, it really takes that.

Right now you can have look at Steemd.com, it does a great job at it, developed by @jesta.
Like on Steemit, just type your username with @ sign at the end like in the example below.
https://steemd.com/@the01crow

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By the way, here is another too I found, works great. Check it out here: https://steem.supply/@the01crow
Made by @dragosroua

I think updating the ..

I was referring to something like a calculator, where I can place any amount of sp, which can tell me how many comments, post, actions can be made depending on any number of sp.Similar th calculate the value of the vote.

Umm lets see how it works untill last ..

I'm glad to hear of the commitment to collaborating with the community in charting the forward trajectory of steemit. Even more so, I'm glad to hear of STINC prioritizing the ability of new users to function adequately on the platform to possibly have a positive enough initial experience to even think of buying STEEM to invest more than just time, assuming they have the funds to have the choice. My greatest concern was that one way or the other, very few new users would wind up staying long enough to see the true value of this place.

I'm still trying to understand what happens when someone just lands on the Steemit website and signs his/herself up.

How many SP do they get?

How many RCs do they get? (in terms of what they can do with it, such as x daily comments)

Where is the "money" coming from to secure this for them?

Are they automatically getting accounts now, or do they still wait 3-14 days for manual vetting?

i share the same concerns. at least i'm kinda glad people are coming back after a few days of lockout (very slowly..)

when @steemitblog says we now have an 'acceptable level', it looks like they wanna hide the facts, or oversell themselves. why not just make it clear? 15sp = how many posts and votes per day? resource costs will be dynamic, so maybe give an estimated range? who defines this 'acceptable level' in the first place? why not say something like 'we think x comments and x posts per day for a new account is the acceptable level'? are they afraid of admitting the fact that steemit inc wants to define everything instead of trying to come up with free market solutions?

> Ensuring that low SP users can transact as much as possible is our #1 priority and we will continue to work with the witnesses to optimize the system to that end.

why not just tell us what they mean by low sp? to ned 100,000sp is low as fuck. to me, 15sp is low and 100sp is high, and 100 comments, 20 posts per day is the minimum acceptable level for a new account with 0 investments. why not just give us ned's honest thoughts and let the community start talking about what the right numbers are?

It really is confusing to have a discussion around subjective ideas like "transact as much as possible." It can't be literal, obviously, so how much is it?

We can have a fruitful community discussion about how much is enough. But first we have to know where we're starting. Are things okay now without needing to adjust that further? If not, we can't expect to hear it from the ones who can't post LOL.

yes let the community decide how much is enough. at least be transparent and listen. don't be a dictator.

'as much as possible' could be anywhere in between 1 sextillion and 5.

I don't think they have any real idea of how much SP / RC is necessary to be functional, hence the comments such as "transact as much as possible." The deployment demonstrates quite clearly that the developers did little or no testing before it went live. The live network is now going to be used as a guinea pig to run tests on as they tweak it into shape. Thus I would surmise, more unintended consequences are possible.

Thus I would surmise, more unintended consequences virtually guaranteed

I believe this would be an accurate edit. ;)

this is pure speculation, but from low I understood that 0-15 range, where usability will now suffer without locking you out completely.

yes, it's nothing more than a bunch of questions. i just wanna know what ned thinks is the optimal amount of posts and comments for a new user with 0 investments.

1. New users get 0 SP. They get RC equivalent of 3 SP as "free" RCs so the are able to use the blockchain. They also get delegated 15 SP from Steemit (which is Steemit's current practice but could change at any time).
2. With 0 SP you can make about 3 comments every 5 days. With 18 SP worth of RC (above 3 SP + 15 SP) you can make about 30 short-to-medium length comments every 5 days (however, other actions will also use RC, generally at a slower rate, and reduce the number of comments. These numbers may change according to system usage (and/or future software revisions).
3. The basic 3 SP worth of RC on free accounts is being paid by the Steem community as a whole. As new users are given free RC, everyone else's RC becomes worth less. The 15 SP delegation is provided by steemit using the massive portion of SP (around 80% of the total at the time, altough something less than that now) they got during the chain launch.
4. As far as I know there is still vetting, but I don't have any details.

This is incredibly helpful! Thank you.

edit: just did a post sharing your answer with more people.

Thank you for laying this out.

I think that if we keep these restrictive numbers, it might be necessary for groups to pop up that delegate to new users that show promise, in order for them to be able to continue to post and comment until they get their first few payouts.

Well, good. Good tone to this update. That's more important than you might realize. But good on you for finding lessons to be learned. My two cents (literally) is that commenting and posting, up to 100/day should be subsidized, with subsidies petering off as accounts reach levels where they can afford that on their own. Reputation could be a good tool for controlling spam, but not as currently implemented, where it's too easy to manipulate and whales have outsized influence on rep and some are malicious actors.

A system of rep, divorced from SP and the SP of people who like or don't like you, should be found. I acknowledge that per account voting is also not a good option. I don't have the solution now.

This whole thing has brought to light the influence of a few accounts on witnesses. This also seems problematic. Considering that there are several disabled witnesses in high ranking positions, I cannot imagine that all the large accounts are actively updating their witness votes. Deteriorating witness votes makes some sense to me. After 7 days, perhaps prompting users to actively renew their witness votes or each vote loses 25% of its stake value as far as choosing witnesses goes?

Dunno. Lots of dunnos, but I'll keep thinking.

Bugs are expected. As a gamer, I know all about patches fixing bugs from big updates, so I can understand. I did panic a tad, thinking I was being kicked off the platform for some weird reason, because that's what I tend to do, panic. Disaster averted, panic subsided ;)

Are there any plans when it comes to the SBD earnings that are now being given in Steem?

Also, a lot of content goes unseen on this platform. While promoted content is like bidding, whoever pays more, is at the top. Perhaps implementing an in-between, where we can promote at low cost and instead of being at the top, a post is reposted by the system after a certain amount of hours, a certain amount of times based on how much was paid, but with a maximum. It would not be the same as the regular promoted stuff, it would maybe be highlighted stuff. I forget who suggested this initially, and I thought it was a good idea.

There is in existence a weekly page to list your content and promote yourself, but hardly anyone uses it, despite it is free (in fact you even get an up-vote).

If enough people actually promoted themselves on this page each week, the others going there to list their own blog might see yours and it finally serves its purpose. I don't know what it is, but people just don't allow free helper services to get over the hump by sticking with them long enough to make a difference! If you really wish to see a low-cost (free) promotion channel, please click on the #happystream tag and look for the weekly promotions posting and actually use it on a consistent basis. The more people that do this, the faster it will catch on and the better it will work.

Note that the last time I clicked the tag myself, I realized that it listed a page that promoted the #happystream tag, but did NOT actually use the tag, yet the post that USED the tag was NOT listed! Something seems terribly wrong there. Another bug in the code of steemit? Or is this deliberate suppression in favour of paid promotions?

Oh boy!!! This was SUPPOSED to be a short reply. I just clicked the #happystream tag to see what comes up. NOTHING!!! User Interface was mentioned elsewhere in the comments to this post and boy does that need some TLC. It wasn't bad enough that the search function is practically useless and 3rd parties had to create their own off-site search mechanisms, but now the tagging system has been tweeked to make it less useful. In the past, clicking the tag displayed all places the tag was found. NOW in order to find my tag, I must click the tag, click on NEW and only then do I see the contest page that promotes the use of the promotions page (but does not actually use the tag itself). The promotions page that USES the tag is not listed AT ALL. Why is that? What are tags for if not to find things we are searching for? SHEESH! Is it any wonder people get frustrated? The UI needs to be working as slick as possible to have retention. This looks like a micky-mouse operation when such a basic function doesn't work. No wonder people disappear in the crowd; and the more people we on-board, the harder it will be to find anything. That leads to frustration and people leaving. How is that good for the platform?

It seems the only way to find the promotions page is to click on my link until it takes you to my blog page, then scroll down looking for the image that says, "promote yourself".

I'm not one to give up easily, so for me to be thinking that this is a hopeless platform speaks volumes about what others might think. Get your act together steemit or you might be holding onto something that nobody but you is interested in. Sometimes it is the little things that matter way more than the big ones. Fix the small stuff before running off chasing big dreams. Remember too that you cannot judge a person by the clothing they wear. Likewise, you don't know which dust account was waiting to see if it was worth investing millions into it.

Thank you for the detailed reply @happyme. The tag system definitely needs to be tweaked. Many areas need tweaking here. I am encouraged when I see witnesses like @fulltimegeek getting involved. Some people have excellent ideas that I've read to help improve the platform and no one sees it to be able to implement it. That's why whenever I remember good ideas, I mention it. I try to remember the person who originally came up with it, so they can have their fair credit, but if witnesses and programmers can take ideas into consideration and figure out how to implement things to help the platform, then there is still hope.

There is ALWAYS hope. It is often what keeps us going. Sometimes even when things seem impossible, there is a turn of events and that changes everything. If I felt there was no hope, I wouldn't bother putting my thoughts out there. The hope is that many people read these comments and begin to demand changes to help this platform grow and that those who have the capability make the required changes.

Yup, and that's a good way to proceed too. Users give feedback, programmers see what is possible, witnesses help programmers. Changes are implemented. And hopefully changes that are for the betterment of the platform and its users ;)

Don't be so hard on yourselves! You basically took the engine out of a truck as it was going down the highway at full speed and replaced it with a new scalable upgraded engine all while not crashing the truck. Standing ovation..(applause)

Now we need to focus on keeping the users that we have.

In order to achieve that, I suggest a larger portion of delegation goes toward curation of undervalued material. Curie and OCD have been two of the best ways of keeping users around but we need way more of that, and not only for new users but for ALL undervalued content. I've always had this idea that steem could have a "Council of Minnow Curators" , maybe 5-7 minnows who are chosen by the community for their excellent curation and engagement despite having relatively low SP, and then Steemitinc. could delegate to them directly or to some body who oversee the project who then delegate to the individual curators in order to increase the rewards that they can provide to posts that they curate. Each of them could make a weekly write-up which is upvoted by the managing body, and eventually each curator could turn their work into its own curation initiative if it could build some support from the user base to maintain it once it's delegation had ended. These users could rotate every month. You'd just need a few established users to lead the project by watching over them and making sure they don't abuse their power so steemit.inc can be hands off.

Enough of steemits SP has been delegated to Apps and I get it, but more of it needs to reach content creators NOT randomly because they chose to use an app which received a lot of delegation, otherwise you won't be able to keep the community together and the turnover rate will continue to be abysmal.

I have not pushed for this kind of initiative because I want to focus my energy on my own content, so I would not be able to put all my time into it but if anyone is interested in building up this concept and we could manage such delegation, I would be open to discussing how to implement it.

It would essentially be something very similar to @tribesteemup which has been such a blessing to all of it's members, except that the curators, beneficiaries and managers would be rotating and most importantly the delegation would have to come directly from steemit inc. in order to send the message "We value content creators".

This would definitely be a good time for Steemit Inc. to show that they care about engagement and retention by delegating to some curation initiatives. I would suggest the @c-squared metacuration project particularly, as a way to spread value through multiple curation initiatives which could then distribute them to users.

Is STEEM a parliamentary constitutional monarchy?
The way the UK was until the 19th century?

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I was thinking that it was corporatist dystopic actually. There is set of pseudo-benign dictators at the top - the Japanese/Korean zaibatsu/chaebol model with the German SA hovering in the background

How is the CEO a dictator if he can not pass hard forks without an approval from a "super majority" of the parliament?
And since you wrote it in plural form, who are the "pesudo-benign dictators at the top"?
Maybe I should have used the current UK governance instead of its 19th century form.
Regarding your RCs, remember that they recharge over time, and if you will play this game correctly as I do, you will grow out of this problem.

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Do you know anything about chaebols/zaibatsu? It is bottom up rather than top down. When I first moved to Japan I looked at the companies and was amazed - I used to call them paternalistic communism. The work councils function more like soviets however the origin is from the right rather than the left which is shown by the way they operate with the government. The management really do act like benign dictators who get a super-majority from the staff. They don't command high salaries - for example the big boss of Mitsubishi (this is by far the biggest although it might not seem like it if you are from the UK) is on just over £100k. Having said that not everything is wonderfully benign - you can get death from overwork etc and complaining is difficult as you get mauled by your peers for fear of missing out . There is a lot of Rah Rah Rah go us! (sound like Steem yet?). you get indirect protests against management. For example I was doing some consulting at Nissan R and D. The mental breakdown rate was hitting 18% (as in people permanently going off sick) and people started protesting by shitting in the middle of the toilet floor.

As far as RCs go - I know they regen but it is breath-takingly slow. All I need to do is reply to people who post on my blog and that is me done for several days. as a result I do it really slow and play on platforms that allow access on a more equitable level. As that guy in the UK says something that isn't for the few.

>Do you know anything about chaebols/zaibatsu?

No.
I thought about reading or checking about it, but I figured that there are more interesting and important things to read or listen about.
I know that Japan is a fascist state.

>complaining is difficult as you get mauled by your peers for fear of missing out . There is a lot of Rah Rah Rah go us! (sound like Steem yet?)

I need this entire piece of text translated.

>As far as RCs go - I know they regen but it is breath-takingly slow. All I need to do is reply to people who post on my blog and that is me done for several days. as a result I do it really slow and play on platforms that allow access on a more equitable level. As that guy in the UK says something that isn't for the few.

Clicks on the FOLLOW kills your RCs too.
This description by you gives me more hope that this platform will die by way of decreased adoption.
Can you recommend it?
I can recommend it even less than I could before.
I do not approve of STINC's management and not of its witnesses.
The RCs do protect against the most blatant forms of volume spam attacks against the blockchain maintenance, but will not stop the spam, because established spammers still benefit from their spam, a few by self votes and most by automated opportunistic usage of bidbots.

What do you think about this?
https://steemit.com/eosio/@kingscrown/trybe-knowledge-and-content-sharing-platform-earn-tokens-right-away

Do you have recommendations about other monetized social media?
I remember either medium.com or minds.com or both is merely a place that is powered by Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash donations, a negative sum game due to transaction fees.
At least one of them is centralized too.

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I'm not sure if it's constitutional or a monarchy. It's definitely similar to parliamentary (witnesses are members of parliament voted in by users of the system).

I rethought about it, and ned controls enough SP through his and STINC's (that is his) accounts to control the list of witnesses.
He does not do it explicitly, but since he controls his and STINC's (that is his) delegations, he still has influence over his delegatees votes.
If ned wished, it would not even be corporatism.

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Thanks for sharing this information hard work.

We are very grateful to you for all the efforts you made during the last week to make the system stable & useable for everyone. Keep it up!
Thank You once again & to all those who supported the system during hard times.
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Updating the witness nodes were a pain the past couple weeks but that's the price of innovation. Hats off to the team and everyone involved in the upgrade.

We still have a lot of work to do.

Some priorities in my opinion that should be on the list besides SMTs:

• Easier UI experience, apps/services
• Communities
• Official Steemit Mobile app
• Steemit notifications
• Remove or Revise "Promoted" feature
• DEX
• Confidential transactions?

+1 for an official app ! I don't understand why it is not done yet. Of course there are some unofficial ones but I should not have to trust a shady app to use steemit on my phone.

I can understand the trust factor. But we do want a decentralized blockchain so we need to eventually trust credible third-party developers and their apps. which many are already starting to do.

Just need to continue to build.

What I want to know?

I have five accounts:

1. has 200 SP
2. has 300 SP
3. has 400 SP
4. has 500 SP
5. has 600 SP

Which of these accounts are going to fail to reach the dust payout threshold at a 100% up vote?

Well, you're asking for a prediction of the Steem price in there, so we can't really say for sure. But at the current moment, if they were the only vote on a post or comment, 100% votes from numbers 4 and 5 would pay out and the other three would not.

Note that it's total payout value that matters for this sort of dusting, so combining them with any other vote that got the post value above 0.025 would allow those votes to be counted.

"We have already begun discussions with the witnesses about developing common standards, not just for testing code, but for holding Steem developers, such as us, accountable to their needs, and the needs of the community members they represent."

Well, this is news to most witnesses I'm sure.

Aside from the overly agreeable, magically selected few invited into back room discussions, chosen seemingly in almost all but a few select cases, mostly by their inability to question the hand that feeds them, I'm pretty sure there are a couple hundred more witnesses keeping your business concerns alive despite the bumbling, often doing so for nearly free or even paying out of pocket to do so, because of our passion for the technical challenge, philosophical ideals and what are seen as many other potentials present here.

These others seem to be ignored and overlooked, even as so MANY of us bring decades of wisdom, experience and skills at both an individual level compared to some of the elite, insider witnesses and at a collective level as a group so vastly outweighing those of the predominantly young and vastly inexperienced chosen few, that it borders on inexplicable.

I know of many, who have more experience in the tech industry and in architecting systems, implementing infrastructures, building businesses and most importantly, meeting and appeasing users needs above all else, than most of the leadership of this platform even have being alive in the first place...

But are they at this table? Do they know about these in progress discussions?

Heh. No. Information is given later, then used against them because they were not precognitive to your infinite wisdom, deemed unworthy of participation by the magic anonymous votes that loft people to the top here. Votes so large they can only be owned by persons involved pre-zero day in 2015/16...

But let's just sweep all that under the rug, shall we? And make no mention of it in this blog, because there is a centralized government operating in secrecy, ensuring that no plans of the great leader go properly vetted or or challenged at any turn.

SMTs must be delivered or steemit incs team becomes unemployed. It behooves steemit inc to in turn control both gates and gatekeepers, lest they be delayed, or even prevented from making mistakes like the ones occurring here perennially over the past 24 months.

You know what other platform works just like this?

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Thank you... I don't have to comment now, I couldn't said it any more eloquently!!! By the way, I DO know what other platform works just like this!

Nothing more to say! You said a lot! LOL
I agree in what you said and that's it! (^_^)

wow. usually i struggle with large walls of text, and lose focus, but this... this just read so well, i couldnt look away XD

i live a few hour drive away from kim jung un. i can understand your concern because when one single entity starts restricting any kind of human behavior, the endgame is dprk.

a leader might have good intentions, smart, even benevolent, but none of that matters if you're not willing to step back and allow freedom to go wherever the fuck it goes. in most cases leaders don't like the results they see when they let a community figure something out. they resort to control and one rule after another, you long for total control.

> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

I've been watching your response on this page, and this comment is probably the most moving and directly experiential remark I've ever read on the internet, given your locale and cited life experience. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration and reply.

thanks. just in case anyone might be confused, i don't live in dprk 😄

i live in south korea where we might have a little more freedom but government controls nearly everything. you can't open a lemonade stand without bribing them (literally). some presidents might even have good intentions. they want the nation to thrive, but no matter who you are, if you have too much power, the moment you start making decisions for people who might not be as rich or powerful as you, you are turning yourself into a dictator.

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The stark truth is black and white.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

sorry to interrupt, but it seems like he's exaggerating a bit. Sure, the government do control to some extent and yes sometimes it goes bad, but South Korea is one of the most successful democratic revolutions in modern history.

Keyword, "revolution" - hyperbole or not...

No democracy will survive in the long term. Mark my words.

I agree.

No 'ocrocy' or 'ism' will survive in the long term, so your words, while marked, aren't all that profound or new.

There are systems of government, that while also flawed, managed to exist for centuries. Some survive to this day. Normally these are the more autocratic systems like Monarchies, Caliphates, Empires etc.

I mention democracies specifically because the Western world enjoys treating them as some unassailable holy grail. If you are "against democracy" then you are a "bad" person. No, my words may not be original, but they are not uttered nearly enough and few people actually understand them.

Uhm, 70 years in Middle Europe and a few decades more in the US, if I'm not mistaken.
How long is "long term" to you?

More than a few hundred years. We don't even have any real democracies that are more than 100 years old yet. That's only a handful of generations!

now we're going off topic but yea, sometimes it goes real bad :)

One of my friend said,

"People of DPRK are very much happy. They get everything they want. They go to work for 5 hours a day, the remaining time for spending time with their family and entertainment. But at end of the day, they gets get good sleep. Governemnt take care of everything. "

is it true? I should ask this question to a DPRK citizen, since you posted very close to them, you can guides us with some real information.

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i'm not from dprk 😐 but i can assure you people are not happy over there.

All you can really do is take the word of defectors: https://youtu.be/qa_ZwL7ZvLg

But in the grand scheme, it's highly unlikely their lives are somehow secretly wonderful

Are you talking about the likes of @ berniesanders? I thought so.

well, anybody who stops anyone from posting an opinion :)

@ned - lol, you look ridiculous right now. I'm not losing money and if rep meant anything, i can bot it right back up. But it doesnt mean anything.

Keep Streisanding me though :) It looks good on you. The public adores you.

PS. I know who you work for ;)

got downvoted by ned? Cause you were saying something he didn't like...... Damn I didn't realize. Are ned and berniesanders the same person? bahahaha whale babies

No, @berniesanders has some common sense and class and a great sense of humor. @ned, has hair. He's got that going for him.

Ned will loose his hair to stress when we hack him and take his owner keys, and none ofthe witnesses help him and the stolen account recovery featurew will break, and ned will feel what its like to be like all the new users who get hacked and nothing replaced by him, when he could have easily replaced all scam and hack victims steem JUST ONCE , as a PR move to PROVE steem is SAFEST blockchain to invest your TIME into.

I feel like Ned is kind of like ISlam and we are Bush Era US foreign policy, ned only responds to Action ...

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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions". I love this quote @roundbeargames. Does mean that the changes in HF-20 ultimately lead us to hell? I want to go to heaven, you too, I'm sure.

The remark is more meta I believe, and not specific to technical issues (of which there have been plenty) but more managerial, philosophical and political ones.

i want heaven yes (and a haven from all the restrictions i'm facing in my country) 😃

i don't mean that hf20 specifically will lead us to hell. in fact, i think hf20->smts->oracles&account based voting->more decentralization & fair distribution of rewards->moon might even be possible.

but i'm saying if you leave too much responsibilities to a single individual, even if he has good intentions, it's not gonna end well.

Oh, i cath it. I agree with you. Responsibilities must be submitted to the system, not to each individual. Thanks so much.

thank you. ned has done a good job bringing it this far. but i think decentralization from the founder himself is kinda overdue :)

> if you leave too much responsibilities to a single individual, even if he has good intentions, it's not gonna end well.

I'm not sure that I agree with that, or that it's even rooted in reality.

I see it as the opposite. Too much decentralization makes reaching a consensus virtually impossible and, at the very least, slows down progress to a snail's pace (which can be good in certain contexts, don't get me wrong). This can be seen with the sloth-like improvements in bitcoin over the last decade (which, again, isn't necessarily a bad thing and, IMO, isn't in bitcoin's case).

Then you have examples like Tesla and Apple and Amazon, and pretty much every fortune 500 company, growing from weeds to riches inside of a decade or two, being lead by small groups of entrepreneurs/ visionaries, if not a single individual.

Yes i see what youre saying. South korea is the exact same case, just on a national level. Under dictatorship we went from farming and fishing to selling millions of smart phones. Im not arguing against the fact that control can give us structure to get started. But we are also talking about 1/1000000000 chance success stories. One right decision from a single individual can make all the difference yes. But is ned the right man to make a fortune 500 from a garage? Or to build a thriving nation from scratch? Or does he need to start being more of a facilitator? 😀

I sympathize with you position. It is the age old problem of discovery "I got there first so me and my friends are going to benefit from this. If you want something it will be be my rules". Under any political system oligarchies will form and I think that it is close to impossible to stop this. However things need to be put in place to slow the process up.

yes. i'd even say it's been completely impossible so far. but i believe crypto and blockchains can get us closer to freedom, more so than ever before. it'd be wonderful if steem could lead the way. but i'm concerned because when one man has enough power to decide which content deserves rewards or not (as well as a whole bunch of other things), it reminds me of the same system that i experienced my entire life.

maybe i'm overreacting, but i came to steem hoping to escape the oligarchies. i dunno if steemit inc would step back in the future and let the community handle things (i just hope). the tools are kinda there, but we don't usually go out of our way to vote and support the witnesses that embrace decentralization.

partially it's the community to blame, not being able to get together and build a force behind change. as well as the organization that doesn't wanna let go of control.

As you say. I think DLPs will be disruptive enough to potentially get us more freedom but we have to be there from the start to make sure all the power freaks don't get through the door first and grab all the goodies. There needs to be a non-judgemental way to provide some form of opportunity for everyone.

It could be that Steem is already lost but I'm not sure. it is certainly becoming more insular and autarky-like. Maybe even a proto-chaebol. Like you say, the tools are there but some people have already got hold of them and only let their friends/peer group use them.

I've been having a look at eosDAC as an alternative but their constitution is really, "whoa there buddy - are you sure you want to go there?". When I brought this up with governance the administrator didn't understand the implications.

Basically the DAC separates itself from the state systems in place throughout the world, makes all the members liable for the DACs actions and names all the members. That potentially puts all members at the risk of prosecution and deportation to unfriendly jurisdictions if the DAC does something dumb or naive.

It's a bit like being thrown to the lions. If Substratum was up and running with a fully decentralized net, Emericoin with its decentralized DNS and there was non-signing crypto signatures you could get away with it. The platform and its members would be like air - impossible to grasp. That will be a couple of years at the least. There are some Steem bigwigs already in eosDAC too.

it does look like proto-chaebol! man what a comparison 👍 i dunno why never made the connection..

thanks for the great read. gave me lots to think about. not that i can do anything but just listen to what people have to say :)

Damn, are you actually from the North Korea?

oh no. im now explaining to people i'm not from dprk. i'm from south korea. i'm sorry because i never meant to mislead people 😐
when i refer to a dictator, i mean both north & south.

Lol, watched some of your vids right away after that, that level of english commanding answered my own question right away lol. I would be totally amazed if a 탈북자 actually gets to dive in innovative Steem platform just so you know haha.

haha yes i'm glad. i only meant to say that kim jung un is right there with his missiles ready and i absolutely hate all dictators.

anyways there are dprk citizens that speak perfect english. except they're part of the regime that murders people and sends their kids to american schools. if a defector managed to do it, that would be the most ambitious person on earth 😆

You know my friend, I want to say how smart you are.. but here it is. Many people are smart like you. The difference between people is some don't value or practice the freedom to make the connections and to share them as plainly as other do.

Why people cling to falsehood, or half truths? Sometimes for fear of reprisal, they go along with a lie - sometimes out of selfish dishonesty, they do it to continue gaining unfair advantage. Honesty is a complex formula comprising among other things, intelligence and courage. You have a fair measure of these things which makes you a very interesting personl. BTW - you live closer to the KJU than I do.. I guess lol. Say hi to him when you see him.

Theres a lot of things i didnt explain, partially because im lazy and didnt really care (now i do 😅). Both koreas are quite unique that theyrre very isolated and centralized. Theyre both democratic on paper but one chose to start exporting instead of having public executions. Its the only difference that led to a giant economic growth (altho a generation ago, south korea used to shoot down its citizens with m16s, the nation began thriving by allowing people to sell squids and wigs and eventually smart phones). I shouldve worded more carefully but i only wanted to say that not only am i physically close, ive seen the difference between 100% dictatorship vs 99%. All it takes is a bit of humility from the man in control and it could be the difference that sets this platform apart.

@sircork and the "great steemit conspiracy"

I had such a chuckle, but then, when I read this shit I always do.

You've been drawn to this sort of thing since we met last winter. :) You seem to enjoy a show. Everyone does. And this is certainly a circus, Lan, most assuredly it is. The question though, is who are the suckers Mr. Barnum was referring too? Oh yes, it was the audience, not the entertainers...

Rewarding the witnesses more fairly would be great!

There was an idea of mine posted a while ago that could reap non-top 20 witnesses some transmission fees. A link to it is included below for your reading pleasure.

https://steemit.com/steem/@novacadian/a-decentralized-capcha-annonymous-proof-of-brain-verification

As long as top 20 Witnesses are invited or participate in such a back room discussion, I'm okay with it. But shouldn't these discussions be in public domain?

I live in a democratic country and all the activities, debates and discussions happening in the Parliament is broadcast live to the general public. We ought to know what role our delegates are playing there.

Their most common excuse for a secret not-secret room is "security issues" or "too much noise from so many witnesses" - on an open source piece of code, they then will claim should be read and tested by all witnesses

The hypocrisy is strong.

secrets make people feel powerful

Correct.

As you observe the flaggings on my other comments herein, and the responses to the above, mostly in favor, ask yourself the following about ALL of it.

Cui bono? "Who benefits"

Or conversely, what have I, a formerly rep 64.5 now 62 thanks to @ned's tantrum and 100% waste of his stake on a person he himself in the same thread as much as called insignificant, got to lose?

What does he have to gain by censorship and suppression of such as the likes of me, and what have I got to gain by speaking out truths known to so many already?

Cui bono, indeed.

They are afraid the truth might get out.

Think one small being can't change things for larger one? Try to sleep in a room with a single buzzing fly.

What do I have to gain? Heh perhaps a more global awareness of how this place is really configured. What do I have to lose? Not a single thing.

What does the dictator and his regime have to lose if a population becomes self aware?

everything the regime formerly had an iron grip on

Do you think it's coincidence the recent habit of pinning steemit blog posts to the top of the site for days, suddenly ceased for this post only hours after it's publication?

Cui bono.

And now the banner is back. Either they are hiding it, then responding to the call out above to discredit by restoring it? Or they simply cannot code a sticky link bar consistently. Either one works for me. :)

Can you link me to Ned's tantrum. I don't think I will be able to comment more after this as I am running out of RC (I'm tiny). but I think you have raised some very cogent points on this thread. I'm going to have to hang in discord for a while :P

It's a yawnfest, don't bother. If you've seen one child have a tantrum, you've seen them all.

I agree, want to know the position of our "chain-leaders"

We should know and publicly aware I guess. That will be perfect place for us to understand more about the blockchain.

> Well, this is news to most witnesses I'm sure.

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@reggaemuffin/witness-statement-for-reggaemuffin-proposing-hardfork-adoption-requirements

https://steemit.com/steem/@pharesim/hf-20-lessons-finally-learned

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@followbtcnews/with-hf20-now-live-it-s-time-for-a-look-at-the-process-a-statement-from-one-of-the-consensus-witnesses

There was a lot of discussion, @ned even linked to a few posts on the last steemitblog update and many witnesses resteemed these posts. There were two MSP radio shows one from utopian, one from @aggroed. And this discussion was basically everywhere.

But I guess in all the negativity, no one is looking for actual solutions ;)

3 unofficial posts after-the-fact from witnesses, two top 20, sure, and yourself, absent for how many months? Red herrings in context here.

Thanks for your input Reggae, but Aggroed only hosts a few nice safe top 20s in the first comment, on his shows on a streaming platform I built for him with my own blood, sweat and finances till I resigned it over his charades, and those are by invite only. noted as directly beholden to convey only the messages allowed by their masters. Shadowspub hosts well over a dozen to as many as 25+ on her completely OPEN witness forums and the top 20 rarely show their faces. The rest are left to speculate. Those shows too grew from a streaming station I built and she evolved from when I shut it down.

Ask the other 200+ witnesses how much information they have received and when, and what input they were asked for, and again, when. After the fact?

Be it known one or two top witnesses were observed trying to spread information in time, but even they have publically acquiesced communication was dismal.

Cui bono in your case? Are you here to produce the voices of the hundreds of witnesses kept at arm's length to prove me wrong? Or to gain favor as you return to the platform after a prolonged absence?

Absent? Citation needed please... Don't talk bullshit because I didn't write that many posts the last months...

If you have been in steem.chat witness channel the last few days you noticed that I asked for everyones input after writing my post. I don't see that anyone was stopped from participating? Just that witnesses like you want to be all conspiracy and whine all day about things they can't change while they ignore the things they can change. And when then presented with things they themselves didn't do go into ad hominem?

What did you do to improve the situation? You personally? Do you have requirements for Steemit Inc that you can present without flinging shit everywhere? If yes, write a damn post about them man!

Requested citation...

3 blogs in 3 months. 28 days ago opening quote:

"This last month I was traveling together with @suesa visiting many steemians and seeing a lot of europe in the process. Today I am finally coming home again, with a new outlook and the motivation to post more on this blog."

But you followed up with 2 more on the same day... 6 days ago.

I did see your request AFTER the crashes. I didn't see you the week before during the unintended fork at 19.2/20 conflict. I didn't see you in the 20 or so communties Im most frequently in, informing users alongside myself, luke, timcliff, crimsonclad and followbtcnews

And I didnt see you BEFORE any of this, in those places either.

So I ask again, cui bono now?

I am on some github prs and issues. Not as many as others perhaps, as Im often busy doing many other platform wide, and just as critical things, like helping other witnesses operate their servers, sharing the drips of information we DO get to hungry users, and coaxing them not to quit in disgust. Building tools and new interfaces and attending copious meetups all over the SE, and earlier in the year across 6 other countries. Operating a steem exclusive global humanitarian aid foundation, building outlets for user voices and coaching users on how to survive in an environment often stacked against them in so many ways. Fought for and after a year, finally helped win an improvement to the go-to public witness voting page, to ensure all candidates were represented to voters. Took a bunch of us I helped rally to get a compromise to the status quo, but it was a small win none-the-less. Had lengthy public debates on these and the most recent HF topics and many others with luke, tim, inertia at various times and learned some from inertia, but also got concessions to my points and input from each of them. Announced organizing the largest yet to date steem business conference and meetup to ever be held next June in the USA.

What did you do again? Build a profit bot and cruise around Europe on vacation and then show up here to tow the party line with post-event posts as some kind of evidence?

Maybe the communities you are in and the ones I am in don't intersect much :)

If you didn't see me then maybe because your attitude smells strong enough for me to already regret engaging you...

That you don't see my contributions is no surprise to me. The only contribution I noticed of you is your toxic negativity. It seems contributions are only seen when someone posts about them...

Yeah, that's the usual response I get when I lay out transparent truths. See ya, I guess?

Funny how when I lay out solid foundations of integrity and credibility, the opposition always decides im too "negative" to further oppose.

That's what defendants do in court rooms too. Attempt a plea of "prove it! I'm innocent!" then start pleading the 5th when the proof is delivered. Or try to discredit and gaslight the accuser or thin skinned-ly resort to flags in the more childish response repertoire.

Accused? Proof? Innocence? Evidence? Is this a discussion or trial?

Depends on who needs to spin it and how.

Suffice it to say, both sides of whatever you want to call it, still have unseen cards to play...

Sometimes those things are called for depending on the participants of the 'discussion' and how they behave.

That is a bullshit response reggae to legitimate questions.

Maybe if someone else asks these questions I am willing to put time in to answer them. But I don't think they were sincere this time so I rather disengage. Conspiracy people tire me. I know that I need to post more so that people actually see what I am doing for Steem and I want to post more. Doesn't mean I always do as I want do have some threshold of quality on my blog. If I post it should be important.

> Maybe if someone else asks these questions I am willing to put time in to answer them.

Wait, so you acknowledge the questions are legitimate, but you won't answer them anyway because @sircork asked them? What the hell? If these are legitimate questions, why not answer them?

I did not say they are legitimate. He asked them to discredit me and I did not feel like going down that route. He has a history of personally attacking people who even slightly disagree with him. Very simple ad hominem. I am not willing to engage in any discussion with him, as is my right. If other people think these questions are valid, they are free to ask them themselves.

Related: https://steempeak.com/steem/@techslut/re-sircork-re-reggaemuffin-re-sircork-re-reggaemuffin-re-sircork-re-steemitblog-hf20-update-operations-stable-20181002t123215706z

You showed up with the intent to discredit.

More double talk from "top" witnesses. LOL

Not well played. People see you talking in circles, you understand that right?

I just called you out on the "no one talked about fork requirements at all". Before you ask why, ask if. Then you took about a quest to discredit me. You fail to see that it is not about me in particular. I just want the witnesses to each state what they want before they complain about not getting it.

So you've actually just said you've been absent for the last two years then, lol, what the hell do you think witnesses outside the inner circle jerk have been DOING for two years?

We've been pretty clear about what we want.

Then tell me: What are your personal criteria for adopting a hard fork as a witness? Link me to a post from two years ago.

Nice try, but you know or should know everything here happens in "secret" chats lol.

If you operate in secret, don't complain about the secrets. If you want less secrets, be transparent. If you call others out about your own shortcomings, that only reflects on your character.

Yer so right, I'm a bad, bad man.

There are things so over your head going on in this chain that you are being used by that I can't even begin to explain it to you, because smart people, can be made to sound like crazy people, by uniformed people. Or maybe you are informed, which could be applied the same way.

Either way, you'll go on and on with your position, and short of spelling it all out for you, suffice it to just end here. This conversation you think you are participating in, happening between the lines of my public remarks here with people who are not even visible responding here (nor have they ever) on the chain, is over your head and really doesn't concern you, nor is it a conversation with you and you'll find that out soon enough.

You are however neatly conforming to exactly what they need you to do, by continuing.

And so the conspiracy revolves :) See you around!

Exactly. You have perhaps, obviously or not, served your overlords well here today, well done. You have done exactly the job a tool was needed to do. Sometimes an asset knows it's an asset, and sometimes it doesn't. ;)

hi - i think you both are acting a bit immature. how about resetting your impressions of one another? tbh when i read your post about a pledge, i was impressed with your points. on the other hand, your reactions in this thread didn't gain you any points in my book. one should call out any cases of 'ad hominem' and also desist form doing it oneself. I hope you chaps work it out

If you said you'd answer them if someone else asked them, then you're acknowledging that the questions are legitimate. Not really sure why you're trying to spin this, as that's a pretty straightforward logical deduction.

So can you answer them and pretend that I'm the one asking them and not Cork?

Here we go:
- I set up my own steem development environment so I can produce my own patches to the Blockchain, also planning to write build instructions and teaching others to code for steem itself
- I reviewed as much as I could of hf20, before the fork happened I was just reviewing the mana bar implementation and might have discovered that voting power transition bug, but the code gods were not good to me that day
- during both chain freezes I was calming down communities, being in communication with users and ensuring that everyone knows what was up. I ensured my servers were working and helped other witnesses
- I worked together with SteemSTEM and Utopian-io (and was on their meetup) talking with people, shilling steem and helping the communities grow as much as I can
- I worked at Buildteam ensuring that our services were not impacted by the fork and worked on cooperations with other steem businesses that are not yet ready
- I made two small patches to steem that I will blog about once they are merged (utopian-io rules)
- I welcomed important actors onto steem and did outreach whenever I could
- wrote my thesis, which took quite a bit of time and which I submitted yesterday
- reworked some of my online presence so that I am available on more channels
- onboarded new users, being there for technical questions about steem, especially the internals and details of the inner working of the chain
- wrote posts about the fork, proposing improvements (and immediately implementing them myself), learning from the failures of the past
- being on the utopian-io msp waves open source radio show (I don't enjoy voice talk but wanted to give users some insight), I was the only witness that definitely said yes, all others joined spontaneously
- discussed with the negative people of steem, trying to get them to improve themselves (which failed spectacularly, as you can see above)
- running a stable witness (as I should)
- and probably many other things, I am surprised that I have a private life still...

I could improve in actually shilling my witness more, talking about the things I do for steem. And probably I could post more and ignore the drama queens like all the smarter witnesses ;)

See, that wasn't so hard was it? The questions matter, not the person asking them :D

Well the person matters because before it was not worth the effort to write it all out ;)

Which is basically an admission of being afraid. ;)

Just means you were not worth the effort 🤷‍♂️

I know, it must be so hard for you to work the internet. I don't even break a sweat dealing with you.

😂 Nice one 👌

None of my business what you are discussing here guys. Only one remark - as far as I can judge that @reggaemuffin has done a lot for the community and was one of the always reachable witnesses during HF20 for the normal users and answered questions.

Usually I hate wars between people but this guy @sirfork (edit: @sircork) indeed seems to have an attacking gene he likes to use - have discovered this quite often in the last weeks where he played the card of the experienced dad, the well-known Steem Witness and all others that disagree are called "sons" without any idea and should go f... themselves or similar wording.

just realised - apart from the usual typos of a non-native English speaker - I even misspelled the name of the known witness - apologies - corrected

I'm sorry, you spelled "defending" gene wrong too. And since you have no idea of the prior relationships here or the history of these people and I, your input is allowed, but not incredibly accurate or relevant to the context.

Also, I don't know where you reached him, but it wasn't in more than 16 discords reaching thousands of users that I and several other witnesses were in.

You were correct though, in your first sentence.

Allow me to say something on behalf of all us users, like @reggaemuffin, who do too much behind the scenes to have time to post, and who sometimes like to pretend to have a life off the blockchain.

I barely manage to post once a week. And I am a WRITER. Does that mean I don't spend my time shilling STEEM in local economic publications? That I don't work to grow Utopian so we can better help Steem-based apps get developed? Regardless of what you might think, not everything we do for the blockchain is ON the blockchain.

In addition, I am not sure what the source of your anger is. Assuming reggaemuffin did nothing before this week, does it make any kind of difference? Do his current and future contributions no longer count because he needed a little push (or a number of them) to come into the spotlight as a witness and someone who genuinely cares about this blockchain?

The work you and I and others have done, may become increasingly irrelevant as this round of poker plays out, just as when 9 players enter a hand, and only one can win.

Trial or poker game? I am officially confused.

Perhaps for now, it is best to remain that way.

It would be nice if they both started paying attention to the points being made by statements rather than other things. They may be able to find common ground to the benefit of everyone. There is a lot of ad hominum here - and whenever it surfaces, it should be called out, without fear nor favor.

Reggamuffin makes a good call for witnesses to join in a pledge of some kind. On the other hand, sircork has a lot to offer also and dismissing him off as a troll seems too unkind imo. Both guys get a yellow card and a voucher to a hotel room (where they can go speak this out over a few drinks) on me ;-)

Ooooh can I get a voucher too? :P

But seriously - I can't disagree and I do wish discussions that can benefit us all involved a lot less drama and a lot more action items.

hehe we can go get drunk up in the place. yea! I respect both these guys and i see some hotly-driven opinions and reactions back and forth. hot blood in the heart tends to be a good sign - in the head, not so much. what i found funny is both were calling ad hominem selectively while both were doing it on one another. A bit of a pause - or reset - a day or two should get them playing nicely again. Maybe. sigh! smh

Awkshuwally.. I did not cry "ad homenim" but rather, I dismissed attempts to discredit.

The problem I have with adding more to what I've said is exposing things and people which at this juncture would not further goals and implications that are being asserted to ears not appearing in this surface level conversation, which if included here would not serve a purpose I need them to serve. At this time...

The very carefully chosen messaging I've posted to each involved party carries further messages most assuredly being heard and observed by the necessary parties. People who are engaging against me (so to speak) may or may not know why they are doing so, and how the public perception of what is transpiring here is being manipulated by either unintended or purposeful design.

Suffice it to say, trust but verify. Not all good guys look like good guys until the end of the movie.

Very often they are painted by bad guys to look quite the opposite, as conspiratorial, negative, prejudiced or crazy. And it's easy to marginalize from a position of apparent power.

Cryptic? You betcha. But the ears it needs to fall on will have no trouble deciphering my messages at all. And it should alarm them. Very much.

this does not constitute investment advice, do your own research, copious amounts of it, on any platform you choose to invest in, and as always, your mileage may vary, with the vehicles you choose. ;)

Thank you for doing your best to help me understand. I already understood.

This is just way off the post subject but I will leave here a comment that should be taken as a joke.
We have to consider the 3 kinds of democracy, police democracy (i.e. Singapore, South Korea), military democracy (i.e. Indonesia and North Korea) and terrorist-imperialist democracy ( i.e. US, Russia, Europe and China).
That's the actual freedom of choice

You aren't wrong, and it's not as funny as you and I both wish it was. ;)

I scream at the sky near every day at this fact. Is that odd?! lol

THANK YOU, YES STEEMIT activity on the blockchain has stabilized

Based on your previous narratives, I thought most of the steemit witness problems were because the witness page only showed the top 50? Well, now it shows the top 100. Did that really matter?

To build a successful project or business, it takes a team. That means people who work together seriously and build trust instead of attacking one another. You may think this is a circus or a game, but many treat it seriously and professionally. You had an opportunity to represent yourself here as someone who wants to be part of a team and work together, but instead it's more accusations and hyperbole. How has that worked out for you so far? People who know you, support you, and love being part of the communities you build have urged you to try a different approach than being the "the Alex Jones witness" or building a following "largely built on anti-establishment people" (quoting a conversation we had 4 months ago which you said I could share publicly). I chose not to share that conversation because I'm hopeful you'll try a different approach than what was represented there. The last conversation we had on discord was agreeable, but you're here on chain again acting differently. There are better ways to get attention and be seen and heard. My suggestion: start with a post outlining your criteria as a witness for testing and rolling out hardforks. I started exploring my criteria as HF20 was going live. Put your thoughts out there and use your experience and expertise to build something useful that helps us all.

Or keep doing what you're doing if that's your thing. Just don't expect a different result than you've had so far.

Your opinion is valid. Your remarks are accurate portrayals of events. Thanks for your input Luke. Hope EOS isn't keeping you too busy. ;) I hear they got problems now with China that might should have your attention at the moment, eh?

Funny though, how such important top 20 witnesses and steemit inc execs are so keenly interested in a mid60s-70s witness. Yet you all turn to personal business. Not responses to the presented things. Wonder why that is? Why is little old me so important to you and some of your peers. Really seems a bit odd? We can let the observers, the users, the platform stakeholders who aren't in the elite circle judge for themselves.

Have a fabulous day! :D

Two things are wrong in retrospect, changing the witness page did matter, it's not a Bhengazi Hillary why does it matter now moment, because it DOES matter that all candidates in a voting booth get equal representation. And ask the bottom 50 we did get compromised into the page, and see if it matters to them. Hint: It does. A lot. Ask the remainder if they still deserve to be there also. Hint: They do, a lot.

And as for my presentation that you are so incapable of coping with that you endlessly refer to it in an attempt to discredit my positions without addressing them, it too matters, a lot, or rather doesn't matter at all, as demonstrated by upvotes and comments and communities supporting me, while there are not here piling on for the the few of you trying to distract and discredit my integrity. You know what integrity is, right? To me, when I took the title STEEM witness, I committed with integrity to that job, not to two or three side chick chains at the same time...

That's how integrity works. People can tell when it's real, and when its straddling the fence as an exit strategy to a competing platform, if it even is a competing platform and not just an extension of the bitshares/ninja miner club, into another new clubhouse. Hard to say based on who has dabbled in all 3 of them and demonstrated lack of commitment to none as a result.

Why you gotta throw me in the mix?
:(

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lol. Love it.

Oh thank god, I thought I might be about to get suicided in the back of the head...

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Hillary, how's Haiti doing?

At this point what difference does it make? No, but really I could not be more thankful for that hurricane. We were able to skim enough money through our foundation to get Chelsea a wonderful wedding dress. I mean she still looked like a horse but she was the best-dressed horse around.

The most beautiful horse of course, a wonderful bride for Ed, but what difference does that make in the sack, in the bed, with the peanut butter or gum that Ed chews in order to talk, and that is pretty swampy. I'm not a fan of DMCA.

Steem has still long way to go, this HF20 was proof of that. We should not be afraid to bring issues to light as serious investors will do their research and find them anyway. One hot topic clearly is how the core of Steem works.

The discussion between witnesses and Steemit Inc should be as open as possible, how else we could call Steem decentralized with a straight face with dignity. Can't we have a discord channel, for example in Steemdevs, where witnesses + Steemit inc only can send messages but everyone could read them? And use that as a main communication channel so no one can complain? @ned

I'm sure we can do better, else sircork wouldn't be complaining in this manner.

Trust but verify, steemdevs is owned by one of the most corrupted and unliked witnesses in the list. not an "open harbor" at all. It may be a good place for a dev hangout, but it's not a good place for "politics" to occur.

how else we could call Steem decentralized with a straight face with dignity

Currently we cannot. A little conscientious digging and research quickly illuminates how all roads lead to Rome...

If I elaborated, even with documentation, I'd be summarily dismissed and marginalized even as is already underway. The only consolation is that despite high-profile detractors deflecting, defending and throwing shade, the truth of our centralization and the short list of names and "companies" behind it is spreading at a grassroots level.

The question remains, that in the days of bread and circuses, will the population turn off the game long enough to watch, spread or care about the news.

Who is behind the curtains in Oz? Thinking people have already done the research, connected the dots and know.

But what can be done? THAT ... remains to be seen ;)

LOL welcome to the internet, reenacting real life, and to think I was sold this whole shit show as something different hey!!!!!!!!11

The internet is a connected set of humans, each one believed by each one to be better than the last...

By said logic my number at 60 is better than yours at 59? though in reality I know better, as you are one of the "few" steemians I trust...................

Well I mean, yesterday it was 64.5 but then a person operating the internet under the influence of mind altering ego, crashed into my profile, with reckless and unfettered out-of-control mania. So there's that.

But rep doesn't matter anyway. Such metrics are absolutely unreliable, absolutely.

Who did that?

Some random, barely present on the chain user kid, named "Ned"...

@ned is a confused 30 year old wanker, so sort of ish take it as a compliment, wankers will be wankers and ned is a "WANKER"

I won't necessarily disagree.

Join me on the race to negative rep though, as though that will actually somehow affect our level of influence.

Hint: It won't.

@ned is still a wanker, and I care not to be fair, I have my place here, and rep matters not, so do your worst ned you fruit cake......................

In with an upvote for internet trolling, before he flags you as he did to me for "internet trolling" - when in fact I was just reminding him of Introduction to Management 101, a class he apparently skipped to get high or something.

Gratitude & Love Steem Fam for all your hard work and for creating a new wave for our future!!

On a geek level the need for HF20 was and is clear to me. For a lot of Steemians it was like their car broke down, it was mainly an unpleasent experience.

Good that it was done and great to know that it is balance now. Tuning the RC system now probably can be down in the backgrond.

I was never worried at any point that these bugs would be fixed quickly. Ppl stop over reacting! This is real life, shit happens.

Yes.

Thanks for update and your hard work to make steemit stable. I translated this article for japanase community. thanks. https://steemit.com/japanese/@katakoto/steemit-news-hf20-update-operations-stable-or-hf-20

If it were easy, everyone will do it and that is why, the Steem Blockchain and it's team of developers are different and I duff my hat for you guys being able to return everything back to a sane working state.
Now, let the discussion for a better platform begin!
Stay awesome!

I was quite a difficult week we all (but as a software developer, I know mostly you guys) had to go through! Now things are back to normal, and we can continue to grow. So thank you very much for that! And may the sky be the limit now! ;-)

> What you're supposed to do when you don't like a thing is
> change it.
> If you can't change it, change the way you think about it.
> Don't complain.

- Maya Angelou

I thought the reputation system is also changed because its very obvious that we could actually increase our reputation by buying upvotes from upvote bots.

Anyways, I guess for the next hardfork the reputation system will be changed, I hope.

For now, let's celebrate!!!

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Same REP system as before, maybe?

The reputation system was going up before, as well. When you get upvotes, then you get more points which increases your REP through a math formula. Each level is harder than the previous level in the REP system. So, for example, it may take 1,000 points to go from 50 REP to 51 REP. Your REP and my REP are both at 51 right now.

Harder & Harder to Level Up

So, say, going from 51 REP to 52 REP may take 2,000 points. And 52 to 53, maybe 4,000 points, for example. It keeps getting harder, bigger, tougher, to level up, and upvotes increases REP, indirectly. So, if you upvote your own posts, comments, then that boosts your REP. So, the more SP you have, the more voting power you have which raises your REP even more, even faster, it seems, when you self upvote.

SP & RC

SP is Steem Power. So, SP helps with voting power, but Resource Credits (RC) is a price unit for doing things on Steem. But more SP gives you more RC and more SP can help you upvote yourself more to improve your REP. So, SP is at the center of RC and REP.

Yeah!
But if you have much money, you can buy upvotes from upvote bots and increase your REP very quickly.
So, its like buying our REP. The meaning itself reputation is no longer that much of value because it can be bought.

Is a billionaire not valuable because he bought up his value, right?

Maybe.
Billionaires with the same amount of resources/money may have different reputation. Some billionaires are planning to help those in need and some may help but those their fellow billionaires to gain more, giving and sharing themselves, enjoying themselves while others are suffering.
But, its their choice and we have to respect its other, poor or rich.

>"...low Steem Power users are now able to comment, upvote, and transfer funds at an acceptable level."

The loud clamor I hear from those with low Steem Power and from those who strive mightily to nurse them along, strongly suggest that there is at least one of these three functions that is FAR from being supported at an "acceptable" level. My own two years of experience and observation of Steemit reinforce this conclusion.

I am of the strong opinion that inability to comment at will may very well be a Steemit killer.

Unless a new Steemian can freely comment—and thus fully exercise the "social" aspect of this blockchain's "Social Media" face—it will become nigh unto impossible to onboard new users, or to retain newbies who cannot avail themselves the social means to become known and to have their content appropriately supported.

😄😇😄

Steemit account sign up screen still shows a wait period of 1-2 week queue. Is it to be changed or what?

If not then how hf20 has eased account creation and onboarding for new users??

Time to Mooooooon

tnx for the update

I have an idea. Why not have a monthly poll of like 10 new features or slight improvments and everyone on steem gets to vote for three which youbhave to focus on next. Then we vote for the witnesses we know will follow this vote by passing the updates through, ive seen this done on games. Surely following the users needs would make a better more popular user network.

I am so glad that the developments are driven to the community. It was recent when I started following announcements regarding the changes to the platform and it was astonishing to ever witness a striving community through trials and changes.

I believe it would be best to have everyone follow @steemitblog (The Steem Blockchain Team) to let everybody know that you guys are there doing everything you could for the betterment of the steem blockchain. In that sense, it could be a reason why not to leave the steem blockchain.

Big things are coming up ahead and everyone is here to witness it. Steem on!

We need to know what you will do to avoid problems like this in the future. I know this RC system update meant some major changes, but this kind of usage issue and negative RC problem need to never happen again. We need up-front banners when changes are coming instead of these after-the-fact statements. We need clear descriptions of the planned changes and potential problems. We need better testing. And we need to re-evaluate all our witness votes in light of their acceptance of such a broken fork.

Thank goodness! I am happy now! LOL Resteem!!!!

Thanks for this update.Hope its enjoyble for us..

Also what happend to editing older than 7 day old posts?

I was also wondering this, as it was hinted at long ago, and then promised, but I haven't heard anything about it since HF20.

Minus all this English you guys should please do something about steem price.... That's my take..

1. Delegate RC not SP ... pretty please
2. Congratulations! By the looks of it your new account creation rate is higher than all the inbreds popping out babies :)

Thanks for the hard work!!! I love being a part of this beautiful community, even that this year I gave felt so alone in here, my posts are being upvoted by very little people, even that I have a good amount of followers. I cannot figure what I'm doing wrong or why I don't seem to have any followers seeing my posts, also on my feed I see a lot of spam and a never seem to see the people I follow unless I search for an specific tag.
Anyways always here supporting Steemit no matter what, thanks y'all for making it possible!!!

Steem On!!!

The suggestion I have as a witness, is to speed up the recharge rate for the RC's.

Ah, I see spirits are still heated, and that reached even the highest level...

I really like the new RC system and have made no secret of that. I also like many of the changes HF20 brings in.

I don't think we can afford the mistakes that were made this time with the SMTs hardfork, so the established standards (and their implementation and tracking) better be damn good.

I understand why @andrarchy used these words in the above post:
> how we can ensure that this is a system that works for everyone

He needed to calm spirits down, and everyone should feel included.

Reality is there is no product which works for everyone, and pursuing such an approach, if it wasn't only needed to defuse the situation, is probably a mistake.

iPhone may be the best type of smartphone and everyone wants one. However, its price reflect that, and not everyone can afford one.

It's not everything about costs, obviously. But one line from marketing comes to my mind, that is important: If your product is for everybody, it is for nobody.

I think we need to clearly define how specific Steem blockchain is and will be, rather than tell everyone come to Steem and you'll see if it's for you or not then.

Great post! lol
Maybe you could incorporate some of the old bandwidth features into the new system so people with low Steem Power could use the blockchain at night when bandwidth usage is low?
Just an idea.
Another would be to respond to comments. Ned responded to a few comments which I thought was good and helped provide valuable insights.
It seems like the top 20 witnesses have backup nodes. I'm not sure why we couldn't use backup nodes when things went down although I'm not a coder.

Two things how about punishing spam meaning so and so many flags equals a restriction in rc , the another if they continue ect ...

Second many of the top witnesses are only there because the voting system is rigged ! Give all steemians equal voting power when it comes to witnesses!

It's good to hear that everything is working now. Good job steemit :)

Yuhh finnaly now all stable and we can publish post without problems! I hope in next HF there won't be such problems as it was at this time!

I am noticing, at the moment, that I am not able to view my list of followers.

I don't know other blockchain communities but I think you are doing better than other private companies which don't even tell customers true stories... Maybe you can do better. But that's another story. Thank you for not excluding us with low SP!

Yo, de corazón, les hago llegar mi felicitación, y mi reconocimiento por el éxito de esta actualización. Tienen paciencia, tolerancia y capacidad de resistencia, como para soportar tantos ataques y críticas de algunos que se pusieron agresivos y expresándose de manera no cónsona, y hasta
soez, pese a su alto número en la reputación. Puedo decir que siempre estuve aupándoles a ustedes porque tenía fe en lo que estaban haciendo.

Dios les bendiga y coadyuve a seguir trabajando en beneficio de la comunidad. Feliz día.

I like it

great news for us

Thanks for this informative update @steemitblog.

> "While we are certainly not satisfied with how the RC system rollout was executed …”

Nor should you be! For a “social network,” stating the obvious, the “network” better remain up and running a very high % of the time, e.g. 99.999% sounds good.

Without this mission-critical attribute, I would suggest little else matters … For whatever “social” is going on during the “unexpected” down-time, I can assure you, it is almost certainly not ”adding value” to the Steem blockchain.

To the contrary. The investment of us all takes a serious hit. As you have no doubt figured out, to some an unacceptable hit … In either case, the cost to everyone is high …

I trust a very robust discussion is already underway, in your “post mortem,” to ensure future hardforks go nothing like this. Focusing on the ”why” and what “lessons learned” can be applied to prevent a future reoccurrence.

Anything short of that should be considered a major ”dereliction of duty” and we will all suffer accordingly …

> ”… the vast majority of those with a technical understanding of the system agree that it is the best path forward for defending against both the short-term and long-term risks …”

OK, if the “average user” simply takes this on good faith, then hopefully time will prove out what you have written here. That this is truly ”the best path forward” and the cost of this latest hardfork on our blockchain will have been worth it. Time will tell …

Until “next time,” all the best to you, for a better tomorrow!

Respectfully,

Steemian @roleerob

I think low power accounts cant change passwords, there is transaction broadcast error

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Love your meme.

Was this from the 1980's? Is this like Fake News Silent Bob or what was his name and did he pretend to be somewhere where he was not or was he saying what was happening behind him was not happening at all, like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain? Classic!

The Iraq minister of information during the invasion of Iraq by the US in 03.

Thank you so much for writing this!

Thanks very much its more easer and better for everyone. I feel so good

Wow nothing good they say cimes easy. Quite a good news tho Ned is really doing a great job here kudos

It is not normal that the steemit.com platform still does not indicate the notification of a new or similar message. On the Steempeak or Busy platform (French-speaking), they have a notification at the top right of the screen.

It is not normal for people to post 1 photo or see 2 or 3 poorly framed photos and have salaries at $1,000. It is not normal for there to be personal belongings of the person, which is much less interesting than many of the newcomers, for him to receive hundreds of dollars and for the newcomers who are the best not to receive a few cents.

And now that you've updated halfway, we can't upload any more pictures, it's really very annoying for a professional photographer.

Not normal that I have too little or no voting at all, badly classified for items better than some who receive hundreds of dollars per item!
I am new and I assure you that this is weighing on my development. Trusting by putting our own money into it, I'm struggling right now.
Changing a crypto in Steem I have a lot of trouble, I have to change to BTC and then to Steem which makes me a lot of expenses changes and transfers.
You do not facilitate the tasks of newcomers and the motivation of newcomers.

There is an imbalance with the richest, the oldest against the poorest and the newest.

Que acaso esa no es la idea, el propósito de vida, el sueño de todo inventor, hacer que las cosas sean mas fáciles para todos. Un mundo mas unido, mas igualitario, alimentos para todos, que ya nadie sufra de enfermedades sin cura, que nadie sea mejor que nadie y que nadie sea menos que nadie.

That perhaps is not the idea, the purpose of life, the dream of every inventor, to make things easier for everyone. A more united, more egalitarian world, food for all, that nobody suffers from diseases without a cure, that nobody is better than anyone and that no one is less than anyone.

The big question here is: why this update does not address the bot bid system? I think the platform seriously needs to be real ( content goes viral because actual humans upvote it )
All things equal, I think will severaly boost platform usage & long term perception by users.

As Steemit user, I would appreciate if Steemitblog/ Steemit can make a video explaining what is happening and what has been improved. Most of us are not technical/ have time to digest the articles posted on Steemitblog regarding the recent modification.

You guys are doing a great job, keep up the good work @steemitblog

@ned, we would love to interview you on our Steem community based talk show, "Ma1ne & Snekky" if you'd be interested in chatting with us sometime! Our show can be found on my @ma1neevent profile. Thanks for Your time, and appreciate everything you guys are doing.

Pardon my ignorance, what is the word on hivemind? I must have been been mistaken but I thought it was part of HF20?

I hope that the platform will stabilize, and will give more and better opportunities to all of us steemians. Greetings.

Eliminate the cleaners, their functions are not in the terms and conditions. the idea should not be just "create" sharing information is much more important. The user should be able to discern about the content he is viewing. after all, the user votes nobody is forcing him

Congratulations @steemitblog!
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well guys, besides i don't fully understand what happen, i have faith on you, `cuz you must know what you're doing, so! I really hope this change will be for the best!

I just now can't upload any films - Can You solve it now ? Films are uploading and nothing can be done....

Nothing is stable. Kindly dont lie. Resource credit funda is still there which is not allowing people with low steem power to to post more

!popcorn

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At least........ all seems to be working again..........

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Good to see this type of update.

Thanks for the detailed post it is worth looking into how this system works in the long run before deciding its future, for now its stable and seems to have resolved as usable we will see how it grows in the future though.

Nous avons réagi en travaillant avec les témoins afin de réduire considérablement le coût des opérations afin que la blockchain redevienne accessible aux petits intervenants.

Tu veux rire !!!

I think the platform and the ideas that are being used to open spaces and share many things are very good. It will be necessary to establish which of those things are pro-rated, without the intention of limiting participation in order to make it more efficient. Congratulations!

I still want to know how to install the HF20 patch. Thank you for reading my message

I hope this steem will be better. And I believe it!

I understand that this article is about the recent F20 fork which is apparently designed to create a more level playing field for Steemit users.

While this is all well and good and desirable, it doesn't address what I consider to be a deep fatal flaw in the system. That being the nature of the Steem currency itself and in particular it's inflationary nature.
This makes it unsustainable on the crypyo markets, and a platform built on an unsustainable currency will by it's very nature be unsustainable.

I've been looking at a few statistics. Now I'm no statistician but the stats for Steemit don't look good. Indeed it looks to me that if it continues on the same trajectory the value of Steem could well fall to zero.

I realize that cryptos in general have been taking a bit of a beating lately but I haven't seen any other crypto decline to this extent.

Besides that we have that huge drop off in posts and authors.

I also took a glimpse at the trajectory of Bitchute and noticed it was steadily rising.

This seems somewhat counter intuitive. Whereas you have two very similar platforms, one that pays it's participants and the other which doesn't. One would naturally expect that the paying platform would outperform the non paying one, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

I must admit when I first read the Steemit White paper I strongly suspected that the Steem currency wouldn't be able to compete with coins like Bitcoin. Even though it could apparently far outperform Bitcoin in speed and efficiency it lacked one of it's most important key features.i.e. the hard cap on the amount of coins that can ever be created which makes it deflationary by design(Satoshi was wiser than most give him credit for) whereas Steem is inflationary by design.

I wrote a small article on this issue called Bitcoin and Deflation at: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@amd64/bitcoin-and-deflation

While there other issues which could discourage the use of Steemit such as the lack of a view count(so you have no idea how many views any of your posts get, if any)which can be very frustrating and like being in a rifle range and never being able to know whether you've hit the target or not.
There's also no private messaging which makes communication with other participants very difficult, and there seems to be a lot of inequity in the system.

There's some possibility that some of these issues could be causing a decline in user ship which could in turn be partially to blame for the drop in the value of Steem. However I believe It's almost certainly the other way round.

If you think about it...Why would anyone buy Steem? You wouldn't want to buy it to hold it if you had any sense, since it's value will decline over time due to it's inflationary nature. (although it's inflation rate is decreasing dramatically due to recent changes to the system there are no plans to reduce it to zero or below, which is what would be required to make it competitive on the crypto market) So the only reason I can think of would be to invest in Steemit in the form of Steem Power.

Now...Why would anyone sell Steem? Well once you earn it on Steemit, unless you want to use it to power up, you'd be be wise to convert it to Bitcoin if you want to save it or convert that to fiat if you want to spend it.

So if we look at this from the point of view of the crypto market as a whole, what we'd see is a whole lot of Steem being sold but not so much being bought i.e the supply is greater than the demand. As long as this is the case the price/value can only go down.

I believe the Steem blockchain was created by Daniel Larimer who also created Bitshares and Eos. While Dan is certainly a genius when it comes to designing crypto currency systems it seems he's not so bright when it comes to crypto economics e.g. despite Bitshares being around for years it's currently valued at $0.01. and Steem at $0.8318.

So if the value of Steem goes much lower I can see a lot of the big players bailing out and putting their SP on the market. This will only cause steem to crash even further. Probably down to 1cent like Bitshares.

The only way I can see out of this dilemma is to reduce and/or cap the the supply of Steem such that it becomes deflationary. Then it could hold it's own even as a stand alone currency in the market where it could be highly competitive due to it's speed an efficiency.

Then with a few tweaks like View Counts and Private messaging we could see a major revival of Steemit.

The value(V) of anything is determined by it's Desirability(D) divided by it's Availability(A) i.e V=D/A (This is my own formula)

hf20更新后刚刚加入的小虾米点赞都有收入不得不说这次的新十分成功可以叫更多的新人加入

Steemit, creation and RC's for newbies.

This Is awesome, well done to everyone on the team @steemitblog ! the future of this awesome platform is going to be EPIC!
loved your last quote:
"It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it."
―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own
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Dear steemit admin, why you do not think about option Live stream on steemit page ?

Nice project

Steemit is a lot better than Facebook for so many reasons. When was the last time Mark Zuckerberg publish an update, a fork, like this? Long ago, Mark said he wouldn't sell data, but then he sold data. Steemit may be doing better than Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, and other websites. May we continue to do our part in making history each day before it is too late.

I am having an "Unknown Error" when I am uploading a video in DTUBE it is normal under the system upgrade? Thanks guys.

that is realy good news for allof us

thanks for help social to use steemit and continue to do well .

cheers!
me likey! ;)

I am not getting how curation is working after this fork .,why part of payout is getting burned and what is the ration for burning

Nice Post, Steem Blockchain Team.
I hope this is the "way to go".
Here are some of my experiences /
constructive criticism:

First:Technical problems:
From my beginning certain Steem Apps
wasn't working with Firefox, yesterday
e.g. was the first time steepshot worked
with firefox. Before that only Chrome, but
i think we should all keep a distance to
Google.
Same problem with dtube, i will try firefox
with my next video...
Dlive only works with SteemConnect, which
was "blasted" by a couple of members for
its "holes"... no thanks, trust gone.Safe!?
Next: Dsound
IPFS still not installed in Berlin or better worldwide..!?
As a DJ & Producer Dsound would be pretty
important to me... and the "Install IPFS yourself"
is a bad joke....gimmi a break ;)
I wrote Blogs to Dsound... no answer.

Second: Vampire Blockchain vs Dan Larimers
Philosophy? Let me explain:
Dan Larimer wrote that one of the keys
to this blockchain is "Non violence", right...
compared to the world we was born into.
Well, than i ask myself why a biiig
Steempower is the ultimate goal to
earn and "suck" as much out of where...?
And "muscle" the weaker steemian.
I observed this in own experiences &
observing others, which is the most
"aggresive" in my opinion.
Like in the "old world" the Big Fish
"muscles" the small one.
I hope this got better!
Because that created following
thinking inside of me when i check
my feed....:
I can not "like"/upvote someone
"stronger" than me... or, i will
get "muscled".
So, that would end up in
"muscle or get muscled"...?
Non violent???
Get my point?
Peace out.
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This is a great step in cutting other people's greed as some tend to create dummy accounts and uses it to participate, recognizing an article from the other which is literally its main account. This must be a community where positive communication and interaction, building a fresh relationship with the other individual out there is being ensured to be safe and "real". This activity shows that flaws cannot be tolerated for a long time. So let's quality and the real work of art prevails! :)

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I have been very disappointed with Steemit Inc over the last 6 months. I think it all started with @ned deciding that Steemit shouldn't compete with Facebook. Facebook is ripe for dethroning in the social media world. People are sick of the censorship with both FB and YT.

What I have seen is a severe lack of competitiveness of Steemit Inc in this space. They seem to be happy with staying in their lane and not trying to fight for market share and win over users. That attitude does not help holders of Steem. Eventually, a cut throat, top quality decentralized blockchain based social media platform will come around with the intention of being the next Facebook or YT and will win the day in the market and Steemit will still be in their lane.

I came here because I have a large audience on both FB and YT. I am sick of the censorship and data manipulation that happens on both platforms. I've been here over a year now and this community still seems content with being in BETA and they are just now saying they have figured out the signup problems.

Do you know how many hundreds in my audience emailed me and told me that they couldn't sign up?

>“You Never Get A Second Chance to Make a First Impression” – Will Rogers

Well, I'm sorry but @ned blew it. Those people were also hungry for a Facebook alternative and they came here looking for something new and couldn't even get signed up. They won't come back.

I've been in the ad and marketing business for a long time and I know when a company has the stones to go all the way in a competitive industry. Steemit Inc. has not shown to have those stones. It's been missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

1. In April of this year, it was front page news that Facebook was losing millions of users on its platform. Steemit said nothing. That was a huge missed opportunity for a press release to let the world know that Steemit was a Facebook alternative.

2. Just this past week, Facebook was hacked and it effected over 50 million Facebook users! Again, crickets from the Steemit team and no press release boasting of decentralized blockchain technology at this platform. Another missed opportunity.

The bottom line is Steemit Inc is not serious about competing in this space.

Me encantan los cambios de steemit.com

Love the way steemit is going and the team is working really hard to bind everything in the right perspective. Congrats teamsteem.

I'm just here for the money

Excelent work

Amazing work y’all! I know a lot of sleep was lost during this process, so rest up and prepare for the days ahead! The Steemit devs and supporting team are complete and utter champions in my book! If anyone thinks this was supposed to be easy then you don’t have a clue the kind of groundbreaking work that is happening here.

Stand firm, press on!

Okay, so we're having a community of thousands of gamers join Steemit to support our (@moneymatchgaming) Esports events and Team. The biggest problem has not been gaining support but simply getting people on Steemit in a reasonable amount of time before they lose interest.

With this hardfork I know it's supposed to be easier to make accounts, but I haven't seen anything detailing how to do so. Can anyone illuminate me on the topic?

Hello I am feeling stuck witb very limited access to votes, replies etc...

I would like to vote more than 1 to 3 times a day. When I vote I can not reply.and I do not even try to resteem any thing cause one and then nothing else. Please explain and or help fix this issue. Thank you if anyone is about.

> # Limiting Abuse

The limitations put forth via the RC system is a great step in the right direction albeit with issues; however, I think presently the pros outweigh the cons.

What we are not addressing is the abuse perpetrated by higher SP accounts especially when said account have amassed their SP via manipulation of reward distribution such as the case with bid bot abuse which is a thing even if cognizance of it falls niche circles specifically abuse fighters.

I am an engineer that has a particular ethical bent against such things and I would like to offer my expertise to combat them. The issue primarily is we do not have the SP to do so decisively. I would invite you at Steemit Inc. to peruse the @steemflagrewards project to observe how we incentivized flags via upvotes.

We have received support from top witnesses and another among, @themarkymark, has even provided a host for future ops so our essentially grassroots movement does not incur additional costs. I believe I have proven my mettle concerning my ability to perform activities that help legitimize Steem as a viable blogging platform.

I notice some witnesses don't want to sell Steem as a blogging platform but rather an investment platform. I do not blame them as existing centralized efforts to curtail abuse have left much to be desired.

This is my appeal to you today. I hope it will be read by someone with some authority. I am glad to continue my work so my friends do not become bag holders.

The question is are y'all willing to give me the opportunity. Either way, I will continue to refine my ability to serve the good people on social media blockchain. Whether it be for Steem or another variant, is entirely up to the largely community which includes Stinc and the extent in which they empower us to make a difference.

I can only do so much and I do have skin in the game so hope you take my plea seriously. We want to be able to reward our mods and co-devs with more than a $0.50 upvote as our work avails us all and is significantly undervalued imho. So thankful that @utopian-io is working on a project to reward anti-abuse.

We get more stuff like that and the golden of Steem will be forthcoming. I believe that.

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Steemit will never succeed as a blogging platform when there are bullies that will decide on what should be seen and heard, i.e., @ berniesanders and all his aliases who attempts to silence his critics. I criticized him once and now my efforts, however blog-worthy they may be, are all negated by flags. Nefarious flags. All from a guy who has gotten rich himself from stealing from the very rewards pool he claims to protect. What goes around, will come around on this "centralized" platform. Maybe someday it can be fixed (protection of free speech), but not before much damage is done to the platform.

Thank you for your commendable work to offer us this best service. Excellent @steemitblog!

Glad to see that the blockchain is recovering after a rough few days. Adding RC credits is a good call imo.

Greetings @steemitblog, there is still an error to correct in the Steemit code, Steem Power delegations canceled before the HF and whose return date corresponds to a day after the HF20 are not returned to their owners, in my case I have 3 delegations of Steem Power that have not returned to me despite having been canceled more than 7 days ago. For example:

https://steemd.com/b/26219028#706497a88036dc3a082a99f48fbf26f964661a69

it has not returned to me despite having been canceled 9 days ago.

Saludos @steemitblog, aún queda un error por corregir en el código de Steemit, las delegaciones de Steem Power canceladas antes del HF y cuya fecha de retorno corresponde a un día posterior al HF20 no están retornado a sus poseedores, en mi caso tengo 3 delegaciones de Steem Power que no han retornado a mi a pesar de haber sido canceladas hace más de 7 días.Por ejemplo:

https://steemd.com/b/26219028#706497a88036dc3a082a99f48fbf26f964661a69

Aún no ha retornado a mi a pesar de haber sido cancelada hace 9 días.

Genial, gracias por el arduo trabajo, por poner a vista de todos los posibles cambios y mejoras en la plataforma, sin interesados y personas con su visión el mundo de las criptomonedas no seria el mismo.

Glad I learnt about your posts.

I am not clear about whether you are accepting new members at this time. I'm asking as I introduced someone to Steemit, helped him apply for registration and...nothing since then. No sms and no email reply. He applied as: pjttimmit

Should I ask him to wait longer, until you are ready to start again, or tell him to forget it?

Nice project

Good post, follow for follow, hey you fucked up admit it, it took 5 attempts and oh so many patches, stop trying to spin it in a positive way eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

We're done here. We don't respond well to censorship.

We moved from Facebook/Twitter/Youtube to Steemit with the expectation that we would have an open forum for sharing of information. That has not turned out to be the case.

We have been actively censored in two ways. First, if someone with more steem power simply does not like one of your posts, they can FLAG it and it becomes invisible to your subscribers. The potential for abuse here is substantial to say the least. It is effectively "pay to censor". This happened to us when we shared a link to a documentary last month.

Second, we were censored from posting anything during the fork. Like many in the community, we received a message that we had exceeded our bandwith because we didn't have enough steem power and were encouraged to purchase more steem. Sorry. No.

It is fast becomming apparent that the developers of this platform care nothing for promoting free speech but rather are looking to make money wherever they can. We have never posted one piece of spam yet we are being treated as such. All we have done is try to bring awareness to what is going on in the world and we have been treated WORSE than other MSM platforms like Facebook or Youtube.

Steemit was supposed to be the solution to the censorship in the world. In effect, it's made it WORSE!!!

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Hello @steemitlog, thank you for your positivity and your team. Looking forward for the day to come that we can all benefit here at steemit! God bless us all!

Hey can you check my profile and my stats, im having medium activity and i cant do much. I think the system need a little of calibration, im at 2% of mana for comment but i can post (i think, or at least thats what can i see on steemworld) I mean, when i post i need to answer the comments of my post, and also interact with other users to grow! Im not able to do that =(

Now im just afraid about start writing because im working on some news and i cant post them in a day or two becaus the notice get outdated

Pls do something i love steemit!

I thank the steemit team for their hard work which has excelled this wonderful community to new heights! It was definitely affecting small steemit users due to the processes of uploading videos was stopped on a screeching halt, thus veered some of us to a different platform. I was also among the people on this platform not being resolved of this uploading issue but allowed the Steemit team to work with time since this is a site in its adolescence. With this new system in effect, we will now have to work in a symbiotic relationship to overcome new obstacles!

Hey - I keep clicking on the x on this post (the blue header) and yet it keeps coming back on each new Steemit page I look at. I've even visited this page two or three times now, yet it keeps coming back. How do I get rid of it?

On a side note, things are looking good for me, though I understand that some brand new accounts still find it difficult to get involved.

Hello! I'm new, I still do not understand what the witnesses have in Steemit? What rights and obligations do they have in the community?
And do they help any newcomer like us?
I hope everyone here will explain to me. Thank you so much!

I realised that I was being unreasonable, so wrote this.

Understanding Cognition: HF20 And The Actor Observer Bias

Enjoy!

Cg

Excellent post.

This is all very interesting and I tried to read all the comments but there are obviously too many. So I am not sure if anyone mentionned something close to what I'd like to bring up.

First, thanks @steemitblog for the explanations and the communication, however I assume you realise not everyone fully understands the technicity of HF20. Plus there is this non-negligeable amount of users who don't seem so happy about it.

Pardon me if I am wrong and I wish to be corrected but as a "simple" content creator, my point is that I haven't read anything about our "condition". It all seem about costs/scaling and while I confidently let this to the developers, I'd be happy to know (in vulgar language if possible), what exactly will improve for creators like artists, writters, musicians, bloggers, vloggers etc...

I mean, I think many of us are looking for an alternative to mainstream networks which were a great way so far to promote our creations or businesses while connecting and exchanging with humans all around the globe (ok, Steemit does a good job with that last sentence, I did meet and discover AWESOME stuff here).

Genuine users I am sure want less spam and more than mainly posts about how to become rich with cryptos. I do read indeed that the update also focuses on spam but what is being made to attract new (and if possible famous) content creators?

For instance; that is a detail but lot of musicians could be interested. Unfortunately the lack of a calendar gives most of them cold feet (I imagine that this will probably rely on the creation of an external app but I am still asking ...)..

On my side I am actively trying to invite new users and I read that HF20 is going to make the creation of accounts easier but in what does it help in actually attracting new users in signing up? And then to keep them active? Over the few people that I succeed to make register, none have been active, there must be reasons for that. Well, it is known that many newcomers are discouraged first by the complexity and then by the fact that it looks very hard (ok ... It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it. -Agree but...) to reach a decent level of power without spending all your time on the platform. I am not going to point all the flaws of Steemit, but there should really be something else than the rewards to attract people, I know it's the actual content quality that should do that. But this quality can moslty be reached by bringing more genuine users rather than just profiters (money obsessed people), or?

Is how attractive the network is, left to "let's see how it'll go"?
Or are there actions done to increase that attractivity?

I did read somewhere that @curie and other curators were, despite their huge role in helping minnows, not enough. Indeed, haven't seen any new.
More scary, why did truly supportive accounts like @ocd and @slothicorn become inactive?

At the moment, minnows rely too much on the good willing of whales to get decent upvotes but for most of us, I believe the hope is to have a community that could sustain itself (upvoting each others) without depending of whales, or at least, less. Increasing rewards for real qualitative content seems one of the biggest deal.

My worst vision is that the system creates more and more inequality, that we all end up voting only for content that is sure to bring money (in other words, always the same accounts) and discard content that we like but don't bring $. And I am not mentionning the obvious worst, the crash! :D

Maybe issues like that are planned to be worked on in the future and that the most important at the moment is indeed, to make the platform sustainable, I'd understand but again, shouldn't we be reassured that this is taken in consideration? And even if it gets stable and sustainable technically and costly, getting more user onboard should be a priority.

It is totally possible that regarding my noobism I am missing or misunderstanding that there are incentives regarding those issues, I'd then ask to pardon my ignorance but would please still someone light my lantern?

Because really, if this place is really and only about money, the best content and comments will always look fake and boring. I am afraid it'll never attract much more genuine creators.
Again, as "simple" creators who are not technicians, we need to be more listened to. We might be unaware of how works the motor but our opinion as drivers does count.

Thank you all and sorry for my rather negative and inquisitive tone, be assured I still have faith and looking forward what's coming up!!!

It’s because curie doesn’t have enough support.. it’s capable to do large scale.. but with only 100k sp, they are limited...

One of the newest member of steemit since steemit came into existence. But, still not the sufficient growth, is what the steemit about? @steemitblog

glad to see that fork is finally stable. it should keep going the same way , it's right now. everyone should benefit from it.

Thank you for the update...things do appear to be back to "normal", what ever that really means. :) I would say operationally a-okay. It was a tough bullet to swallow or take but, as we can all admit it was necessary to move this blockchain forward into the future, Congratulations on making the decision and following through. Now for the next phases for this blockchain! Looking forward to the future!

Well said and thought out. Thanks for this.

I would like to see a real effort to negate spammers' efforts on the blockchain, to render their posts ineffective, while at the same time making it harder to flag people making real, heartfelt posts, just because the flagger disagrees with them.

Not sure what form that might take, or if it is even possible, but I'd like to see some efforts in that direction.

I am disappointed, having read several posts saying that after HF20 we would be able to edit posts indefinitely, rather than only for seven days, only to discover that that was not true - the edit feature still disappears after seven days, despite that still making zero sense. Oh, well.

Thanks for all your efforts on the behalf of the Steem community. It is appreciated.

OOf. Just chatting with a new user. @ferrate... went to his account. He's seems like a typical new user who would be expected to add to the platform like any user. And I can see that he's only able to make 19 comments/recharge... so, like 4 a day, and only if that's his only interaction with the platform. (according to the calculations on steemd)

That still seems too low for any new user to interact with the platform like they naturally would. We need to increase the allocation of RCs to low SP users, even at a cost of RCs to high SP users. Multiply it by 10 again, and reduce it for large holders. Or something. This problem is not solved. I hope the team is aware of that.

Appreciate this update, @SteemitBlog

No SNAFUs to report, thankfully.

> Thanks to the flexibility of this system, we can continue to optimize it in ways that ensure small stakeholders can take full advantage of this revolutionary platform while limiting the risks associated with spam.
@steemitblog

1. How does @Steemit @SteemitBlog define spam?

2. What are the specific tools available as a result of RCs to reduce and/or eliminate spam?

> It's supposed to be hard. If it were easy, everyone would do it.
―Tom Hanks from A League of Their Own
@steemitblog

It's supposed to be hard to duplicate the chain tech.
Not hard for a newbie to use it or do it.

    The  user, the user

    Not the developer,  
         not the tech genius,
         not the geek.

### Focus on the user; all else will follow.

This is great and all, but can we focus on getting the small people to where they should be. This is becoming more of the case that popular posters overshadow everyone else hence making content very limited. Steemit definitely need more diversity in the trending posts

Hello @steemitblog... Could somebody have a look at @kingzero's RCs please. I remember we all have got 10 times the RCs after HF 20. Maybe he didn't... Writing this in his name because probably he can't. Thank you. @peekbit