https://steemit.com/witness-update/@reggaemuffin/witness-statement-for-reggaemuffin-proposing-hardfork-adoption-requirements

We have also posted our new "Standards" for future HF's and testing
https://steemit.com/witness-update/@followbtcnews/with-hf20-now-live-it-s-time-for-a-look-at-the-process-a-statement-from-one-of-the-consensus-witnesses

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Does introducing The 10x RC multiplication sink RC further to zero for fresh start?
We minnows already get binded with limited engagement due to low RC and with each comments the RC sinks more.....how we gonna survive? And with limited engagement from each user part how steemit run?

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No! Precisely the opposite, everyone will be able to engage 10 times MORE after this change. The entire point of this change is to enable people like you to transact a whole lot more, really soon.

For example when you buy sp, at least in my case leasing from the market, you need to wait for that to charge. Is that going to change? @ned

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Yup, that's one of the bug fixes.

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It says that it's being fixed right here on this post:

• "Bug: users powering up, were not able to vote/transact instantly
• Now, receiving SP gives an instant voting mana boost"

The post was edited after I made this comment, to show the patches in greater detail. Thanks for choosing my comment to troll on!😉

Sorry, I didn't know that. I just read the post a few minutes ago. I didn't mean to troll.

All good. I do love the puppy pic! Are you going to make some pumpkin pie with that beautiful pumpkin there?

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Wish so.. @andrarchy its getting complicated till it it get streamline. Today i learned, getting delegation will improve my RC but not my powering up....so who gonna power up when there is no benefit at all.....

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Powering up gets you RC. There was a bug that meant there was a delay, but that is one of the fixes listed above.

Thank you!

Happy year 2019 excellent post success and I will be supporting you greetings

I have recorded your answer for posterity. I hope you are right and you sure seem like you are confident. We will see ;)

Thanks @andrarchy seems the new patches help me recover my RC to 100 % overnight. It was 12 % and now it reaches 100...however there is still fluctuation on each comment...need to check how it behave if we commenting more

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Seeing how much rc I have left and this is my only available comment, I'm glad to know that soon they would solve the limitation I think that's why I have only 17 comments, and have at least 10 times more of that is great, This is a social network, and we have a need to interact, wishing you the best, and make the necessary changes.

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Mana-banned for aggrandizement.

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Multiplying the max RCs by 10 still leaves 5sp accounts with only 1 or 2 comments every 5 days, which is unacceptablly low.

Yeah, this needs to be 100x just to make things work this week.

Should be about 4 comments per day. I know it's frustrating for some but I'd rather people be forced to power up a little if they want to use Steemit as their main social media platform. Scarcity creates value.

I wonder if it will really help that much with spam though; a lot of the resteem services get big delegations. Still, hopefully they won't be able to pump out so much memo spam.

They're not being forced to power up, they're being offered an incentive to power up.

A new member is now offered a ladder to climb, which is smart because a ladder offers direction. Up. People can work their way up, if they so choose.

One solid introduceyourself post, if powered up, can what? Double the amount one can interact with the blockchain? Maybe, if things go well. That's a huge step for someone's first day.

@ajayy, it's not unacceptably low when someone can easily begin to work their way up now. It's acceptably low if they decide to stay at the bottom. The choice is theirs.

As I'm reading through the comments and complaints, I'm thinking some people are forgetting everyone here is given an opportunity to improve their situation and experience here. If you think it's too difficult for them, make it easier. Things like utilizing your own SP to vote rather than delegating it away with the hopes of making a few dollars per week can go a long ways towards more people being able to enjoy this place.

I agree with your sentiment here, but if Steem wants mass adoption, we still need to drive the base necessary SP for an acceptable user experience much lower.

Let's round up and say we have 300 million Steem in existence right now. That's 60 million accounts each with 5 Steem. So we're capped at 60 million users... already not a huge number compared to big networks. And that's if we go full Communist, and everyone gives up any stake they have above 5 SP. More accurately we'll probably follow a 80/20 distribution, meaning we have just 60 million Steem around for "average" accounts outside whales, businesses, etc. So we can expect maybe 12 million users who may not even have the option to power up because there's no more Steem to be had.

We need accounts with 1 SP or less to still be viable for truly mass adoption. I'm starting to think this may not be doable, and we may emerge into a model more of 0 SP users being subsidized by RCs shared or delegated by the platforms and apps they are interacting on.

That's probably true, if STEEM stays at the current value? Wouldn't a higher value mean accounts can be created and cover the costs of bandwidth with .1 STEEM, for instance? That higher valuation is what could cause such an influx of new users. They power up and that helps the value stay up.

I don't see any correlation between value and bandwidth/RCs/max transactions. If Steem goes to $10 USD tomorrow we don't have 10 times more infrastructure. That just means that instead of $5 getting you 5 SP worth of transaction ability, now it'll cost you $50 to get the same amount of transactions. Increased value means it actually costs more for a new account to purchase the ability to transact freely.

I'm honestly curious what it takes to increase resource capacity. Side chains? Require witnesses to run more powerful nodes? I just don't know the technicals. But the amount of SP needed to transact does not go down with a rise in Steem value.

Increased value will just be something that motivates users, but again, I'd contend that if successful, we're heading into an era of Steem scarcity most folks don't think about. For simplicity let's again say that we have 300 million Steem in existence and we're inflating 10% per year. (These numbers are both a bit high.) 30 million new Steem a year. If we get to just 10 million active users the average account earns 3 Steem a year. And that's an average. We all know accounts that will still be earning tens of thousands. So the median account, the average users and new signups, probably will earn less than 1 Steem a year.

If Steem is at $100, cool. Your average friend on FB or Instagram wouldn't mind having an extra $100 a year just for doing something they do anyway. And there'll be the "casino" effect where people know a post could go viral at any point and deliver them an effortless windfall. Or rather than the excitement of simply being re-tweeted once in your life by your favorite celebrity, maybe you get a massive upvote from them instead with real monetary value. It'll be a fun system. And folks will earn SMTs and complementary tokens, pay for subscriptions and merchandise with the businesses that release them, etc. But with large scale adoption earning any significant amount of Steem for an average user is a thing of the past. And if Steem Power is the only token giving access to blockchain resources, where does that leave new users?

Again, I was hoping to see this new system balance in a way that smartly eliminates spam and allocates transactions in a way that a 0 SP account with the base RC allotment is still fully functioning for average everyday purposes. I still think that can come to pass and it's what needs worked toward.

For some reason I thought this new system would keep the cost of account creation the same while the value fluctuates. What you speak of, I thought was the old model we just got rid of.

My vote was once worth $20. If these tokens shot up to $100, I can gaurantee I'd be putting a lot of smiles on faces, and they won't mind the fact they're receiving .01 STEEM or .001 STEEM. $20 is $20. There will still be a demand. People will want to work their way up to owning one whole STEEM, if that were the case.

If I’ve read everything correctly, currently creating an account still costs 3 Steem, which now is burned instead of powered up into the account. This then creates a minimum RC that the account has to transact with, currently 3,000 but being raised to 6M. Accounts can also be created by another account converting RCs into a “discounted account creation token.” So you burn a ton of RCs if you have them, and can create an account for “free.”
But the big question is what will these 0 SP minimum RC accounts be capable of? If they’ll only be able to post or vote a few times a week it’s a problem. If they still need to power up 5+ Steem to be viable participants, we’re facing the scalability and Steem scarcity issues I noted above.

0 SP minimum RC accounts need to have a similar experience to 15SP accounts prior to HF20. Steemit has been delegating 15 SP to new accounts precisely because it created a user experience that didn’t result in too many frustrating bandwidth errors under normal use. That concept of a minimum viable account still needs to hold true, again, for much less Steem.

I’d welcome any corrections on this from anyone reading if it’s misinformed!

Reading through what you're saying and combining it with my work your way up mentality leads me to one conclusion.

People will need to step up their curation game. We can't simply depend on a few tweaked parameters here and there and place the full burden on someone else. If all we have to do is push a simple button, but refuse, aren't we just as much at fault for keeping people down to the point where they can't interact with us?

What do people really want here, I wonder. When massive amounts of SP were being delegated away and centralized into a few hands, then offered back to the public for a fee, where were these complaints about how pay to play won't work then? Why is everyone suddenly so up in arms now...

I'm trailing off, signing off. It's time to think about things.

>People will need to step up their curation game

When there's still no incentive for curation. Yeah.

That losing attitude won't get people very far.

Two years ago, I started at the bottom, with nothing.

I've earned exactly 1072 SP through curating alone, in two years. I pressed that button 21007 times. I'm sure that helped a lot of people. Plenty of incentives.

There are incentives ;) 25% paisve reward for curation

and the fact you will make someone happy with that upvote, without costing you any money in charge

if people make them for a purpose they will be also delegating SP to them I would think. The spammers will not and phishing link folks just need new accounts to work with until flagged to 0.

Currently I'd estimate about 40% of STEEM is vested and voting; so there is still plenty of liquid STEEM available before it becomes a valuable scarcity.

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They are not being offered an incentive to power up, they are being forced out. Someone joins the blockchain and comments "hi, i am new here." and thats it, he can't do anything more. He doesn't even know what mana is or what powering up means. And he has to wait 5 days before he can ask another question.

Who has patience for that. I would have moved on if that was the experience I had when I first joined and I am a very patient man.

They didn't get the memo? What memo? Maybe someone should write the memo. I remember when I signed up I was given a list of rules. "Don't forget your password" was all I was told. I'm not sure how it is now but creating awareness on day one, as one signs up, offering some guidance and stressing the importance of this guidance would probably be a good step in the right direction rather than assuming nothing can be done and all is lost.

Bandwidth system worked fine for me since day one. It allowed for spam and that needs to be checked. Thr are lot of ways to do that. Question is, are resources being consumed to the level that legit user is not able to transact and answer is no. We have ample of resources. Why ration something that is not scarce?

I think, for now it might not make sense on the surface and of course will require a bit of tweaking to find that sweet spot, but down the road we'll be thanking ourselves for dealing with this stress now rather than the problems later.

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> @ajayy, it's not unacceptably low when someone can easily begin to work their way up now. It's acceptably low if they decide to stay at the bottom. The choice is theirs.
@nonameslefttouse

@ned @steemitblog @andrarchy
* Does Steemit aspire to mass adoption? What does that mean?
* What kind of newbie should I help or encourage to onboard onto Steemit?

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I see what you are thinking, but I do not agree. New accounts now have a very limited amount of characters they can put in their introduceyourself post, probably not enough to make something impactful.

I echo the sentiments here. Steemit is not a free lunch but a helping hand for those who wish to help themselves. Those who wish to partake in the platform ought to have a vested interest and incentive in powering up some steem in order to increase their own capabilities.

10x the current capacity seems fair to me, although personally i would have liked to have seen a tiered system... ex 200x for those with less than 25sp, 10x for those above, etc.

> although personally i would have liked to have seen a tiered system... ex 200x for those with less than 25sp, 10x for those above, etc.

Not a good idea! What would stop an abuser to have 100 accounts of 25 SP instead of 1 account of 2500 SP?

That's fair. But I'm not sure how much harm it would actually cause. First of all creating new accounts now more or less requires a creation fee burn - so be my guest.

But even if that wasn't the case. Management of that many accounts would be a headache apart from bot utilization. And then if it was 100 bot accounts, it would still be better than what we experienced under HF19 given that people could already have done that (except with unlimited "RC" use at that time).

At least with a tiered approach, you subsidize those who are still trying to experience the system rather than turning them away.

power to the people! haha

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This ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Although I would prefer:

1. 100 x for those under 25
2. 80 x for those 25-50
3. 60 x for those 50-100
4. 40 x for those 100-250
5. 20 x for those 250-500
6. 10 x for those 500-2500
7. 5 x for those 2500-10000
8. 4 x for this 10000-20000
9. 3 x for those 20000-30000
10. 2 x for those 30000-100000

Of course, I think that can be tinkered with, but you definitely need a sliding scale NOT JUST multiplying everyone by 10. THAT WILL NOT DO WHAT YOU INTENDED WITH THE CURRENT ANNOUNCEMENT/PATCH. The goal is to totally HOOK the newbie, not frustrate him/her and drive them off the platform.

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> I know it's frustrating for some but I'd rather people be forced to power up a little if they want to use Steemit as their main social media platform.
@d-pend

This is one reason why I do not use @Steemit as my core content platform.

In the universe that I live in there is:

• Medium
• Blogger
• Tumblr
  WordPress, Minds..........

Will Steemit continue to be the only reward for playing platform?

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You forgot to mention trybe.one which is closer to the steemit model than medium and the other pre-blockchain platforms

Thank you for bringing up trybe.one
I had no idea about it. Will look that up.

For SEO & content, I've used Medium, WordPress & Blogger. I need to learn more about blockchain platforms, especially social blockchain.
Thank you, once again for the heads up.

Check out also Narrative project, Mithril / lit and yours.org

Thank you, for the heads up. @ade-greenwise
Will have a look.
Thank you, once again.

I agree

"scarcity creates value" is true in general but don't take it too literally. It depends how you define the perimeter, hence it doesn't work here. I already have friends I've introduced to Steemit and after 2 articles they tooke their business to trybe.one

There's scarcity for RC in steemit but there's no need for anyone to socialize on steemit as more or less the same thing can be done on many other platforms (weku and trybe are two of them)

Let them leave, competition is good for this space. Though I have to be honest, if these places (WeKu, Trybe, Smoke) think it's going to be a piece of cake developing a working cryptocurrency social media site, they're in for a shock. Can they do it with Steemit having 2 years head start on them? Maybe, with how dysfunctional the development here seems. It remains to be seen, but at the present, Steemit is the best out of these systems by far.

I actually couldn't more strongly disagree with everything in your comment.

>"Scarcity creates value."

Not when it comes to the free flow of ideas. Free speech is far more valuable when it's abundance is increased.

Insofar as new users are unable to comment and post, the market for Steem will be suppressed. I recommend you give that more thought, and also consider the caliber of communicants you will enjoy who are actually willing to pay to play. SOC (SMTs, Oracles, and Communities) will work together to enable communities to exclude bots, paid delegations, or any given type of interaction, as well as the opposite. After some consideration, I expect communities that reflect the actual value of social interaction to perform very well, and those focused on mere mammon to be quite small (if emunerative, potentially). This is because society is far more valuable than it's mere economic aspects can account.

Mike Tyson once said that Don King would sell his momma for a dollar. That's a different kind of valuation than most folks find attractive, although there's clearly folks that value society so.

I don't mind memo spam at all. I only claim rewards very occasionally, when I remember to see if I have any, so don't see it. I admit I'm kinda odd, not caring about my personal finances at all, but I've determined that I'll occupy a box in dirt someday, and won't get to enjoy spending money I've accumulated during life. So, I do work I like that pays necessary bills, and spend the rest of my days with good people.

If I can take anything into the grave with me, my good memories of good friends will be in there.

That's more valuable anyway.

>I actually couldn't more strongly disagree with everything in your comment.

Well that's a pretty vague statement.

>Not when it comes to the free flow of ideas. Free speech is far more valuable when its abundance is increased.

Not sure I can agree, there's no limit to how much people post on Facebook, and it's filled with insipid spam that you have to wade through to find something substantial.

Metaphysically, I couldn't be more aligned with the concept of infinite abundance and transitioning into that type of era, but at the present my current conclusion is that most of humanity is nowhere near ready for that paradigm. They unfortunately respond better to a mix of punishment-based and reward-based systems.

>Insofar as new users are unable to comment and post, the market for Steem will be suppressed. I recommend you give that more thought.

New users will be able to comment and post freely once a working RC-delegation service is deployed. (Why this was not completed and launched with the release of RCs quite frankly mystifies me. We need this immediately.) Personally, I'd be more than happy to delegate in excess of 90% of my RCs to newer users because I'll likely never dip below 10% usage. Whale services like @utopian-io should be able to support thousands of deserving users and be able to onboard them as well by claiming discounted accounts.

>Consider the caliber of communicants you will enjoy who are actually willing to pay to play.

People are usually not very dedicated to something if they don't have any "skin in the game." I've experienced this myself by holding free classes in poetry. They were not taken very seriously at all and changed my way of thinking on the energetics of current-exchange.

People pay for magazine subscriptions. People pay for software services. People pay for Spotify. People pay for videogames. People pay for Starbucks coffee. People pay for booze. People pay for clothes. Until we fully transition to the age of abundance, it's not that radical to ask them to pay to support the development of a next-paradigm social networking platform.

>SOC (SMTs, Oracles, and Communities) will work together to enable communities to exclude bots, paid delegations, or any given type of interaction, as well as the opposite. After some consideration, I expect communities that reflect the actual value of social interaction to perform very well, and those focused on mere mammon to be quite small (if emunerative, potentially). This is because society is far more valuable than it's mere economic aspects can account.

Consciousness is the dynamo that generates any and all value in economic systems. We agree here, other than the fact that I am skeptical that the profit-based communities will fail. I think they will continue to outperform many of the esoteric communities because people that have negative views on money (which is just a form of energy) typically don't manage it well. I know this from personal experience with this type of person, because to a large degree I am/have been this type of person.

>I admit I'm kinda odd, not caring about my personal finances at all, but I've determined that I'll occupy a box in dirt someday, and won't get to enjoy spending money I've accumulated during life.

All depends upon the aspiration. Some people want millions so they can build farms, develop technologies, employ people, and help shift the paradigm in a concrete way. Not everyone wants money for selfish reasons. Some people want to stay poor for selfish reasons.

>So, I do work I like that pays necessary bills, and spend the rest of my days with good people. If I can take anything into the grave with me, my good memories of good friends will be in there. That's more valuable anyway.

I respect that a lot. In fact, I'm about be getting a job overseas that pays a very low salary for a lot of work. Because I've lived in India before and realized their wealth is the love they have for each other, and their community. I felt quite at home in that type of culture.

Earning money, having aspirations to improve the world, and being content with little are not mutually exclusive. Everything is just different forms of energy that we have the opportunity to channel/interact with and hopefully stay grateful for our existence through all, good/bad.

Thanks for your reply @valued-customer.

I confess I am surprised by the tenor of your reply, as well as pleased it is substantive. Much of your reply was counter-intuitive to the comment I replied to, IMHO, so I am somewhat taken aback.

As to my vagueness, I just disagreed with everything you said in that comment, from '4 comments..' to memo spam being bad.

I don't want anything but fatigue (well, add shame, common sense, and etc...) to limit the ability of people to post comments, because that's the lifesblood of social media.

People won't come here to post 4 comments. They'll stay away in droves, and we've competition. I want them to come here.

I completely agree as to RC delegation markets, and particularly that it should have predated the need for it, so folks could wrap their heads around it and make necessary arrangements before they were necessary.

I already mentioned memo spam not being an annoyance to me, and they all pay me to spam my wallet, so it's all good to me =p.

As to skin in the game, that's fine for capital purchases and business decisions, but not acculturation and social inclusion. We're born with skin in that game, and Steemit can capitalize on human nature to eclipse competitors - or could, before there were competitors, or if they wanted to (which I am becoming more convinced they don't, instead seeking to give over Steemit to some kind of commercial hosting platform).

While you are right that money, beneficence, and contentment with little aren't mutually exclusive, fraud convinced me the opportunity cost was too high.

I have nothing anyone wants to defraud me of now, and don't even have to lock my doors.

Thanks!

@d-pend @nonameslefttouse if it were true that people were willing to buy steem to participate, why do we have a free signup system anyway, why doesn't everyone just pay for account?

A free account should give you at least 30 decently sized comment a day AND 40 or 50 votes. This would still prevent spammers, as spammers would want to comment more than this and would need to buy steem to do so.

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Yep, that's definitely way too low! If I sign up for a new service, I typically spend a few hours there, making 5-10 comments or something like that. I would probably not be very interested in keeping to use Steem if I had to take a break after only writing 1-2 comments before I would have to wait 5 days.

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Anything we can do to help?

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This addresses my primary concern, that new users with the 15SP delegation would only be able to comment/post twice per 5 days if the current RC allocations remained in place. I'm glad to see that you're immediately multiplying that to where at least they get 4 posts/comments per day (which is at least enough to function on here) and that there is also the possibility of this increasing further for them without needing a fork for it. At least that's how I interpreted:

> "Due to the fact that many components of the RC system are non-consensus, we can continue to adjust the resource pool budgets, track trends, and adjust charges incrementally over time so that we can meet our third goal of moving us toward sustainable pricing of blockchain operations."

I also think the new system will be a great improvement once it is worked out how to disincentivize spam while supporting the success of new users from around the world on the platform. In general, it will be good to know what various actions will cost you so that users can prioritize usage, and of course help the company to also have this data on actual cost of operations as they move forward.

I'm still a little curious on how needing RCs to do transfers is going to work for DEXs.

Transfers are very inexpensive. It appears they are something like 1/300 of the cost of a comment or post, although these numbers might adjust some in the future.

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Upvoted.

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If you're a dolphin or whales, and wish not to be included in future selection, please let me know so I can exclude your account. And if you find the upvoted post is inappropriate, FLAG if you must. This will help a better selection of post.

Keep steeming good content.
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Howdy @shares. I reckon you might add whether or not a post declines rewards to your algo(s). Your upvote will be burned on this post. You may not want that.

If you do, please disregard.

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Since this requires a replay, there's going to be pitchforks and dunkings like we haven't seen since the Salem Witch Trials.

Just hearing the word replay makes me want to open a bottle.. just not sure what bottle to open at the moment 🤔

But hopefully after this everyone can put their pitichforks away.. at least for a bit.

Tar and featherings too

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Whatever the numbers end up being, a redfish account should be able to post and comment a reasonable amount on a daily basis.

Call it 5 average length posts and 10 comments. Add another 10 upvotes that's the normal recharge rate under HF19 and prior.

That's real life social behavior, not spam.

If the RC budgeting system doesn't allow for this there is no way new users will come on board.

This. A freemium model requires basic functionality to be free, and that means a reasonable number of posts, comments, and votes.

I think there is only something like 50K daily active users, so what happens when we have 100K or 250k daily active users, is the number of post, comments and votes going to go done even more. I mean steemit seems to be having problems already. Maybe you can also help me out with what cost is involved with steemit, they keep talking about cost , but have never shared what the cost are.

Just a guess here, as I'm not a programmer of any type, it likely has to do with all actions that either/ both require computation and/or take up space in blocks, which requires resources from the servers running the Steem blockchain (witnesses), both in terms of space and computation. Because the number of actions that the blockchain can handle all at once are limited and some actions require more resources than others, such as posting comments compared to sending Steem from account to account, they are allotted proportional Resource Credit (RC) values.

One thing this will help with is spammy comments and posts, since most accounts that do these types of actions are low in SP and tend to use the strategy of making many posts per day to create a type of "net" to hopefully get lucky on a few votes. Now that the blockchain better accounts for how many resources are being used up by these types of actions, those low SP accounts won't find it as easy to pull off that type of strategy, and that translates into less "trash" (spam) on Steemit and other Steem DApps. At least, in theory.

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Yeah if a new person doesn't have RC enough to vote 10 times a day what's the point?

We're teaching people they can vote 10 times a day their RC-Mana better be enough to make that a reality.
And that's not even mentioning Commenting. Why can't they comment on those 10 posts they like.

That's interacting with 10 whole posts in 24hrs. That should be a starting place and that starting place is super weak... imagine if people were told they can only heart and comment on 10 instagram posts a day until they pay money or spend 2 months earning money on Steem.

In my view Steem is really the only Blockchhain where people can enter the ecosystem without investing anything. Lets take Ethereum, Neo, Iota, Mythril or Socialwallet whatever they all require to have at least some amount of Coin/Token to be able to transact. On Steem users don't have to invest anything and they still can be part of the ecosystem. Yes, I understand in social media realms it is very odd to tell someone he can only comment 4 times or give 4 votes but Instagram, Reddit or Facebook are not Blockchain and you are giving away your privacy without earning anything.
I think Steem just needs to sell its positon right to new users. Just be transparent about our systems and the positive and negatives that we enjoy here. If the expectations are communicated right than there should be no negative first-user impression. And what I found positive if we could build communities around new users to help them to get the starting here right and therefore if they found themself worthy than we can delegate some SP to them ( I see the minnow project here as a good starting point) If the "old" users understand that the new users need their help we could make this a very pleasant platform where everybody is happy to help each other...
But lets see how things will play out!!!

in a perfect society, that would work. alas, most of the older accounts already 'have their mates' and rarely vote anything else, because, 'dont have time'

the most engaging people on here, are the ones with no money. and this update has actually made that near on impossible for them to do

Plenty of older accounts are involved in projects which directly benefit new and old users alike. It's not all just curcular nepotistic voting.

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Do you have any proof of that "older' accounts are just cyrcle voting? Or are you just bringing up cliche? I know a lot of old accounts who do care much about minnows but they expect some level of good content.
I just checked your blog and sorry but your one shot pictures are no way close of being good content. So what do you expect to get from Steem if you don't put in any effort? You want free money falling from the sky when you are posting a photo of a brick? Thats not gonna happen. And there are to many newbies who just wanna get quick rich something and I don't agree with that if Steem wants to be a successful platform it needs users who put in first effort and good content. Than you will get paid not the other way around!!! If a minnow is serious about blogging and earning money he should invest something in his new business thats just common sense and the same in every other business. Or how do you want to motivate people to invest in Steem?

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how far back did u look? did u see the 500+ word stories that made a dollar?
did u look what my average posts word count is? or the average pay it gets?
what about this series, where I put myself out there for people to see the real me?
this one for example? - https://steemit.com/life/@dunstuff/exposing-my-vulnerabilities-5
or the 4 before it?

and the end of the day, it's hard for a user to continue writing good content when shit like this makes $16,000
with no investment. - https://steemit.com/@halo - but aint noone gonna flag it, cos, tits, and, although the content isnt very interesting, its orriginal, not plag.
shrug

but hey, I guess I'm just a whiny minnow right? maybe it's just that I've seen my investment plummet.
don't worry, I'll be gone soon enough. I was kinda hoping this place would be different, where proof of brain was how u got rewarded. but that's not it at all. its a popularity contest.

and no, I didn't say ALL users are in circlejerk mode. I'm saying that a lot of new content doesn't get noticed because people already have loyalties to other users.

just looked up your stats. your 'donut' is good. many sprinkles on it.

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> I think Steem just needs to sell its positon right to new users. Just be transparent about our systems and the positive and negatives that we enjoy here. If the expectations are communicated right than there should be no negative first-user impression
@masterthematrix

That's well said.
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Restricting commenting has me more concerned that restricting upvoting. At full mana, new accounts can only comment twice to completely deplete mana. So that is 1 post and 1 comment over 5 days (assuming it takes 5 days to fully recharge). If the new user is also upvoting then we are talking about 1 comment every 5 days.

Increasing the RC budget by 10 would be a huge improvement but still very limiting. I believe we need to encourage as much engagement as possible from new users. Most people will not want to invest immediately but rather get familiar with the platform before committing to investing. I took several months before I bough my first 10,000 Steem.

Steem Inc could consider increasing free delegation of SP to new accounts to help them out.

I just responded to 6 posts no upvotes, my voting mana rose from 44% to 50%.

Commenting on this post will no doubt lower my resource credits. Is this how the resource credits are supposed to work?

My vote power was at 50% last night after two days after the upgrade.

Some people like myself were very involved on the steemit platform. Investing time every day. If this cant be fixed some people will move on to do other things to try to generate positive returns.

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Restrictions on commenting is Purgatory.

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Exactly. Comments are (or were) the best way a newbie could get ahead on Steem, by making thoughtful and engaging comments. In my early days on Steem, I could make upwards of 20-30 comments in a day, and I am not talking about 100-word comments, long-form comments and I was able to get a little Steem from that.

Maybe the voting factor isn't as important because when you join your vote means $0 anyway. But commenting is everything and if we reduce that to the point where someone can't grow their account from it (because let's face it, posting posts without bots gets you no attention when you're starting out) this platform is as good as dead.

We have so many great dApps and developers in this ecosystem, @steemmonsters is one such great example of a well-organised and coordinated Steem application. As it currently stands, the changes serve to prevent Steem Monsters or other apps from growing.

Ultimately, I get the impression these changes will make more sense when we get SMT's, but given they struggled with these changes, my outlook on SMT's being released smoothly is quite negative as I have almost zero faith in Steemit Inc's development team right now.

Implement Agile/Kanban, hire more developers, leverage the smart minds in the Steem community (give them Steem tokens or whatever) and make Steem more of a community project than some private platform masquerading as an open source decentralised application (which it is currently not).

I tell every new user to comment all they can, limiting them to 10 comments a day is a terrible idea

It really is. I’ve commented as many as 20 or 30 times in a day. Why would anyone want to restrict that?

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This idea came from whom exactly? This is the most disturbing, unbelievable and quite frankly I would say pathological idea I’ve seen on here. If someone would tell me that new users ability to comment will be restricted on a social network I’d say they are fucking out of their mind.

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I feel the same way too. I've earned a fair bit from blog posts but most of my earnings came from the 20-30 comments I posted to engage whales and the big wigs, steem is about attention anyways. I rrally hope the new system doesn't hinder this

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"...hire more developers, leverage the smart minds in the Steem community (give them Steem tokens or whatever) and make Steem more of a community project ..."

This is a sentiment that is starting to resonate across users who perhaps in the past have had limited contact with each other.

The expertise pool on Steemit must be on-boarded in some way.

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I agree with this, but I believe the comment number should be a bit higher as well. People who reply to their introduction post will easily get 10-20 comments posted on their first day.

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It needs to be at the very least 50 comments and 4 posts per day for EVERYONE. 100 comments would be better. If people don’t feel free to express themselves WITHOUT THE COGNITIVE LOAD OF BEING AFRAID OF USING UP RC then I’m afraid this experiment is a total and colossal failure. Epic fail.

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I wish there was a way to delegate my RC to those that need it without delegating my SP. I generated it, I should be able to delegate it.

Agreed. Delegating RC would be a great feature, which could also allow for big projects like Steemmoners to delegate enough RC to their sign-ups to get them to be able to play the game without any problems.

Delegating RC... will only serve to enrich those with the biggest accounts and will only manage to increase the inequality on the platform.

That's a very pessimistic way to look at it though. I for one think it would be great, because it can allow dapps to purchase RC instead of SP in order to get enough resources to get going. This will be very nice when paired with dapps that run their own SMT.

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There will be. See a post by @ned around two months ago, “Steem’s secret to success” or something along those lines.

The post was very short and rather cryptic but explains a lot now. Those who follow(ed) EOS may also immediately have understood the actual meaning of that post.

> delegated bandwidth pools

That was the content of that post. Make it delegated RC and there you have a rental market soon to come. This will effectively allow SMTs to enter at a much lower cost than when they would have to invest in STEEM and power up.

This sounds great to me! I'm looking forward to learning more about this as it gets developed. Hopefully Steemit Inc. has something more to tell us about these plans soon.

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>Based on our analysis, we believe the best path forward is to issue a series of patches tonight, the most significant of which will multiply the resource budgets by 10x.

If everybody is given 10x more, how will the current RC system reach an equilibrium? In other words, does this has an effect on the end state of the RC?

Great question. We will continue to get a lot of useful data and because RC is non-consensus we can leverage that data to iterate the system toward a more sustainable equilibrium. But yes, effectively, we are artificially lowering the cost of transacting for the time being for the sake of continuity, but we will have far more options with respect to how we proceed than were available to us with the bandwidth system.

Hey @andrarchy. I keep hearing this phrase "non-consensus" thrown around a lot. Is there a good resource available on understanding what this means in the context of Steem? (Technical is fine; I'm a technical person.) I ask because it sounds like you're saying the system that keeps our decentralised network somewhat safe from spam attacks is not something that all nodes must agree upon.

If that's the case, how does that even work? I know that follows are non-consensus which makes sense to me, since it's something a frontend could completely ignore and I think a few already do. Fine; it's not really important for us all to agree on who follows whom. That's between them. But this sounds sketchy to me.

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You note "for the time being". Does this insinuate that the change is not a long term fix? Are we waiting for some other fix regarding the limited resource budgeting?

Everyone doesn't get 10x more. What happens is that the total pool of resources available to access using RCs is increased by 10x, so all else being equal the RCs required for each operation should decrease to about 1/10 what it is now.

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Was hoping for something along these lines. A good start, at the very least.

Woo hoo! I’m so glad it should work better after these patches. I need to feed my Steemit addiction to the fullest!

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There is one very important problem.
The transfer of funds and the power-up should not consume rc and should not have a minimum demand of rc.
Now I can't power up.

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I think you make a great point. There have been some suggested attack surfaces with free transactions, but with the holding costs involved in powering up, you could still be right. For now, at minimum, there is baseline RC based on having an account. This RC will regenerate and allow any account to powerup given enough time passing (approximately a few hours).

In the blog you mentioned mana and RC as a solution to double voting. Why didnt you just use delegated SP's with the receiving accounts SP in a weighted average manner relative to their stakes? I mean in the old system all transactions had 0 cost. It was free to interact now you pay...

The old system had the same type of invisible bandwidth costs. Instead of Resource Credits, it was referred to as Bandwidth.

Sure but that was ample. Why not set all RC costs to 0 and drop the limitation 1 by 1. First for comments and see how many are supported tweak the RC. Add another parm. Why all at once?

> I mean in the old system all transactions had 0 cost. It was free to interact now you pay...

That's simply wrong. There has always been a cost to transacting here, but most people didn't know about it. But minnows who used Steem during its most active state remembers bandwidth, because it also prevented them from using the blockchain too much. So not much has changed, except that "bandwidth" is not renamed to "Resource Credits", and the algorithm for distributing it has changed a lot.

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In addition to powering up, unsigning witnessses and changing witness settings should also be RC-free, viz the current issues with @netuoso.

That would open up a potential attack to the blockchain though, where people with malicious intentions could spam witness votes and unvotes in order to clog it up. I think having free witness changes would open up a lot more trouble than it's worth.

Not witness votes, witness settings. Someone with malicious intent would have to be running a witness.

We still have free API reads anyway, so it's not like anyone's going to have a hard time DDOSing things. And if there aren't enough resources to go around for writes, reads become another huge problem.

Ah, alright. I must have misread/misunderstood your original comment then. Sorry! But it makes more sense now, and I do agree that witness setting or unassigning witnesses should be free from RC cost.

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Bloody Hell. (We've all been reduced to spammers)

Good comment, bro.

Luv ya sis! <3<3!! 😜

Lolz - Touché

Can't let the situation stuck up all the humor lol

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hmmm, or scammers :)

I'm rapidly joining the ranks that have been say'n Steemit is the scam so thereby we have indeed all become scammers. I can concur.

Patch 20.4 has landed. So we can be our selves again. Have fun and good luck, to the moon!!!

You know, anytime I hear "to the moon", I think of two things.

1) The Honeymooners -- abusive

2) The Van Allen Radiation belt and how we lost the technology to get through it to get to the moon.

Just say'n.

Stop being such a scammer and share an upvote.

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To be honest, I aint even mad. You guys are trying to fix it. I get it. Shit goes sideways sometimes. I truly hope this is a lesson learned and there will be no fuckery when SMT rolls out sometime in the next decade. 2 things my dad always said
1. Measure twice and cut once.
Meaning attention to detail and double checking your work keeps you from screwing up and having to go back and fix it while looking like an A hole.
2. Go get me a beer.
That meant go get him a damn beer.

Doomsday out.

LOL. Lessons learned, and no doubt many more lessons to be learned once we perform the post-mortem. We couldn't agree more with respect to the SMT roll out.

I hope you recognize the part of the equation that you don't want to assess people a "fee" "cost" "RC usage" whatever on the things that you WANT THEM TO DO. Because if you do that, you will get the opposite. If you charge them, they will not do it...

The reason I bring this up is comments in particular... this place will become a ghost town if people lose anything by making comments. Now you might think it doesn't matter to the guys in the 70s like you (and you'd be right), but it sure would matter to every Minnnow and lower that is trying to get posts out and earn some votes. Commenting will be a luxury they will do without and then the site will go backwards for sure!

But that will leave the door open for me to shit post the place up if I am the only commenter. Could you imagine the hilarity of me being the only person that responds to peoples posts. Seriously, just think about it. I would have the opportunity to be the only one in the crowd willing to sit out there and yell "you suck and your content smells of cabbage"
This really could bring in the golden age of steemit.

you may be the only person to reply when this is said and done... This place will become a ghost town if this tax or usage of RCs means people have to choose between engagement and making money. They will choose to make money like all the others here too.

I say we do as the politicians do and give it an unfavorable name. Henceforth it will be hardfork prima nocta. Basically, that means it is fucking your wife.

lol.... that mind is a precious thing to waste... So I hope you keep it sharp and alert always DDC :)

Hahaha, that will never happen, 'cos if it does come that far, you won't be the only one there: I'd be sitting right behind you, cheering with my best cheerleading talents :0)

Fuck it, with no one in the audience I may put on a mini skirt and cheer myself on lol. Glad I have you in my corner. You are a fantastic person and I am very happy I have had the pleasure of meeting you.

There has always been a cost for transacting, voting, posting, commenting etc. on the Steem blockchain, but it used to be called bandwidth, and was allocated in a different manner. It used to be impossible for low SP accounts to use the blockchain a lot back when activity was higher, so this is not a new problem that came along with the RCs system.

And if you don't spend your RCs, then they will eventually just be wasted, just like it you waste your voting power. I don't see how this is a problem to be honest. It's not like you will lose money by writing comments or upvoting stuff, because it will not affect your STEEM or Steem Power.

sssssshhhh. Don't tell everyone.

@valth... First of all I remember the days of last January 2018 when all the little peeps couldn't do anything... And while we may be used to it, we are a very small pool of the "then users". Most of those people left. I'm not being dramatic, its just a fact. So making the point that "this is always been so" is not a great argument.

I will say that when it was buried in the bandwidth as a cost, it was helpful in that people didn't know exactly what was wrong and thus gave Steemit a chance to save a few til it settled down. (I was one of those that made it through, but it was a close call as I was going to leave several times). Now on the other hand it is out in the open. Make a comment, lose RCs... Vote a witness, lose RCs... Anything and everything will cost and now it will be out in the open. I'm sure the people that don't particularly care that we have mass adoption, will applaud this "fairness" because "those people" just clogged up the system with spam and junk posts. I have seen the arguments, so no need to rehash because I understand them.

My point is one that should be so intuitive that no one seems to get it. If you bring on lots of new people and then tell them they have to pay *in RC" to comment or vote for a witness; guess what? They won't do those things. And why would they? It costs them to vote or speak their mind, so they will use their precious RCs to do what will make them money.

I don't know if you (or anyone that has an open mind at the top) have considered this, but there is a very powerful NEGATIVE MESSAGE this sends. Come to Steemit a social platform where you can speak or vote for the leaders as long as you have enough money invested. If not, then pay your dues dude. Honestly, I think you will find that most people will say "to Hell with that". I know I would and I would also make sure that everyone understood that their comments and their witness voting and other similar things will cost them the ability to do other things. Is that really a message that you would want people to see when they think of Steemit? Do you really want the users to think that they have to have money invested into the system to be able to make comments and interact (or risk losing the rewards of posting and upvoting others)?

And to your last point, you say that "its not like you will lose money by writing comments or upvoting", because they will in fact lose just that. If it takes away your RCs so you can't upvote or post, which everyone else with enough SP (thus RCs) can do, then you are taking away their money. At least that's the way I understand it, and from what I've seen from the literally hundreds that haven't been able to do anything, it appears that the loss of RCs is loss of the ability to use the system. You have choices to make as a user... Comment and engage or make money... I don't need anyone to tell me what this place will become if this sticks.

You're on a roll, @davemccoy.
You should see me know in my cheerleading outfit: go, Dave, go!!

hahaha... thanks @simplymike! (Honestly I don't think they even know)

ps... yes that will be awesome, I could use a little cheer in my otherwise full-of-bitching-filled day! :)

I see your point, @davemccoy. I also believe that RCs should be a bit "secret", and not something that new users have to deal with when first joining. And I do believe that it will be once things settle down.

It will be interesting to see how the RC cost will be once it has stabilized; obviously transactions are too expensive right now, preventing people with little SP from doing much at all, but from my understanding this high RC cost for transactions is only happening during the initial launch of the new RC system.

Awesome @valth. Its good to see you agree and I think it will be terrific if the RC cost continues to drop. At this point many can now use the system and that is a much better place than we were in, so I'm thrilled we are making progress! Thanks for the very reply and dialog!

Yeah, it's a lot better already, but we still have to get the cost a lot lower before new users can really use the blockchain. I hope we get to this point in under a week, but I don't think anyone really knows how long it will take.

I agree... Its awesome to see you are a voice for this line of logic. It definitely helps ease the tension to know some of the more experienced Steemians get it too! Thanks

I think you are right, but only as far as you go. The costs in RC to transact are real and actual, but are worth it. In other words, not only do transactions have a cost, but they add value as well.

A problem I am but dimly perceiving presently is that the RC reckons the costs upfront, but the value is left to the open market to price. There is an assumption that markets are rational, and people that make that assumption are stark, raving mad. Markets are filthy, dirty things where violation is far more common than rational pricing.

Not that I'm competent to suggest anything better than markets, btw. I'm just noting that there is going to be a dichotomy between pricing RCs and the value of the benefits produced by those using the RCs. I'm actually a pretty big fan of markets (but I'm a poor judge of character) as long as there are mechanisms in place to preclude all the dirty violations that reprehensible thieves and scammers undertake.

@andrarchy will feel it right in the wallet if this place becomes a ghost town, make no mistake. No one will feel more pain than whales rolling in Steem if that sad future comes to pass. Perhaps this threat will finally galvanize whales to act to promote the interests of the hoi polloi, rather than reveling in their individual ROIs and their superiority over the little people. Sure, I'm being both unreasonable and unfair to many of them with that little dig, but I reckon them I'm slighting will get my point anyway.

The bare fact is comments are the actual lifesblood of Steem. If good comments aren't adequately rewarded to cause them to be produced, the market for Steem will be diminished. Maybe RC delegations can do something about this. I'm too stupid to parse whether that can happen, but I don't think good comments have been adequately valued as a rule in the past, and this despite some comments being highly valued.

Many of us, myself included, have noted that comments have been the main source of rewards during our rise to minnowhood, and I suspect that this is partly why retention has been challenging, as good comments aren't average, and average people are average, by definition. I think average comments may need more recognition going forward in the new paradigm of RCs, or we'll be relegated to an elitist backwater, bereft of the busy commerce and posts of normal folks.

Don't think we'll like that, if it happens.

Thanks!

I like that you say that "comments are the lifeblood of Steem"... I wish the people in power would accept this argument. I'm not sure they do, but if they did, the problem will get solved.

Everything else will get fixed as soon as they see how fast people stop commenting when they realize it costs them money.

I like you last point the most because for the first time since I've been here I think that this place is the

"elitist backwater, bereft of the busy commerce and posts of normal folks."

I have striven to make it different and to do my best to put in place a middle class, but now I think you have hit the nail on the head with that exact description!

Thank you, it will be a description I will mark down and this is the moment in time that I realized it.

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Your dad had a way with words

A real modern day poet

I had to hold back the tears

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Your dad is / was a wise and practical man. And I bet he was happy, too!
Cheers.

He was the greatest. I truly miss him every day. He died way ahead of his time.
cheers.

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The second lesson is definitely what we need to take away from his wisdom!

You speak the truth fine sir. A cold beer in the hand makes everything better.

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How about you go fuck yourself with a cactus you shitty fucking bot.

Thank you for providing us all with a space to produce quality, conscious content, in a decentralized community. I have never had an opportunity like this, and have never grown and learned so much, in such a short amount of time, from one source. I do not know what I would do without this platform, my life would definitely be lesser for it. I have faith that all these issues will be corrected in the proper manor in due time, giving us all the abilities back that we had previously, along with new advantages that will hopefully also filter spam to some degree. We all got frustrated with this at some point, I know it was extremely poor timing for me personally, my projects, and the contests I am hosting, but as long as this patch ends up working to our benefit in the long run, then I know our collective sacrifices will be worth it. Blessings @SteemitBlog!!

Thanks for your positivity. There are so much negative people, I feel very happy when between a lot of negative comments I find a positive one. A lot of people can't even create a website and they are complaining about all of this. We have to give steem team the space to make their work perfectly and wait when everything will be perfect, we are all not perfect.

Absolutely, I am always in support of this platform. It has done so much to advance my life, and through me extend my reach for healing the planet. I will admit that I was a bit lost for a second though haha. Blessings my friend.

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Pretty sure you are trying to handle this the best way you can. We appreciate the updates.

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Aside from the too low starting point... is the RC system currently adjusting calculations properly? In other words, are action costs coming down as @holger80 has been tracking, and how low is the expectation they could eventually go? This system needed to drastically reduce the number of SP required for a basic user experience as Steem is scarce! If we haven’t hit that, large scale use of the Steem blockchain beyond a few million users isn’t yet possible.

> is the RC system currently adjusting calculations properly?

No, it hasn't adjusted, at least not for comments. This response is still costing me 14.2 billion credits to let you know that the price per comment has stayed the same.

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The Steemd numbers don’t seem to be very dynamic, they’ve been showing the same all day. @holger80 was tracking minor decreases across most actions from minute to minute, and I assume steemd may only update daily.

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I don't know if I'm the only one but since the HF20 I have been trying to power up my liquid steem and it is not letting me. It says invalid owner key but I know I have the right key as I have used it before several times and I am the only person with access to this information and sign in with my posting key so nobody should be able to change it without my knowledge. Is it a bug that has been reported? should I wait it out and see? I didn't see this problem on your list of issues/patches.

Glad to see some of the current RC issues will be resolved soon especially for the plankton level.

Just to clarify but you note that you sign in with your posting key. You are using either your active or your master private key in order to power up under wallet right? You cant power up using only your posting key.

I use my master key to power up and it has worked several time in the past so I know I have the proper one. I only use the posting for daily activities.

It's definitely a bug , I finally got it to work now that I said something about it, go figure but it took me half a dozen tries in a row before it went thru and stopped giving me the error message.

It is safer to use your active key for transactions, your master key should be exposed as little as possible because it can be used to change all your keys.

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Please NEVER use your master key for anything except to recover your account in the event it is hacked. Only use the active key for operations that require more than the posting key.

Be safe with your account.

Ok I didn't know that I could use the active key, I will do that in the future then. Thanks for the tip.

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Thank you... this is a huge step in progress... I give you all a tip of the hat. This is not easy to complete when under a lot of pressure... First of all just making a major upgrade is a challenge in itself with a lot of hours of coding, testing, debugging, code reviews, etc. I assume you are doing paired programming as well! Obviously you can not test the results until implementation time... it is hard to have a million people simulated as users! So you go live with the best solution possible. Now crunch time comes and you have to make gut changes and realtime operational adjustments to regain stability! That is greatly appreciated by those who have been in that very situation. Do you rollback or go forward! For the good of the community sometimes you have to make that tough decision! Thank you for the progress, hard work to get this project / blockchain moving forward! This will pay off in so many ways in the very near future and years to come!

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I'm afraid you still don't get it.... You think its off by a factor of 10x... Not even close. Yes you will appease a few people that will be able to vote and comment, but you have locked out people for 5 days.. now you are going to make that 2 day? come on, wake up

Also if you continue to keep in the fact that people "lose something (anything) by commenting" then you truly have no concept of what a "social network" is. You WANT people to communicate and comment. But if you take anything away from them then they will just not do it...

What the hell kind of social platform will you have when people are trained to NOT COMMENT???

I hope @abh12345 gets a chance to see this and weigh in with you all at the Steemfest.... That is one guy that "gets it" and understands that you try to "encourage" people to comment, not charge them for it...

I won't post the banner that is flying around the back alleys making fun of you all, but the bottom line is your new tagline will be "The Anti-Social Network" if you don't change your course.

'anti-social network' is exactly what it is 😄
in fact it's not even a platform when you have to pay to vote/comment/post.
i guess when you're sitting on millions it's hard to understand the vast majority that have nearly nothing.

I agree, they need to go out among the regular people and realize what their experience are. Thanks for the comment (I know you used some RCs to make it) ;)

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Shouldn't we be rewarded for commenting and engaging? I simply don't understand this.

That is my point exactly... I doubt they can explain it to you (since you're right), but maybe they will listen to you (or all of us collectively).

I guess I should first wait and see how it all plays out. Hopefully they have thought this through and have a better picture of it than I do!

I agree that seeing how it plays out is smart! I too hope they have thought it through and know better than both of us :D

have a wonderful weekend Melinda!

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As much as I want to agree with this sentiment, there is something to be said about the personal responsibility of individuals becoming vested in the platform by actually acquiring some STEEM to power up.

The same can be said of newspaper pay walls. We are all so used to free information (or free crypto in this instance) that we forget that someone is paying/subsidizing for that access. I think 10x is appropriate on the face of things, and an easily adjustable figure if its not.

Steem essentially gives away "stock" if you will by rewarding users with Steem... its not merely a social network. People should be incentivized to power up and not feel entitled to the right of obtaining as much as they want on someone elses dime.

if you are right @investingpennies, then I hope you don't have a dream of mass adoption.... I guess if you want to have a little tech niche of people that can have discussions about blockchain and things like that, then it will do fine.

But if you expect people to "put money into the system to simply use it", then you will quickly find out that your expectations were off. I also think that while the opportunity to make money is ok, its nowhere near what it is hyped to be to get people here in the first place. And now with an attrition rate of greater than 100% you agree with disabling them until they "pay up" then you truly are so far off the mainstream. I don't know if you are part of the programming team, but its a lack of thought on programs like this that have made this place fail to retain the users. Instead of telling people what they "should" do, Steemit Inc might want to figure out what they "will" do. And I can assure you that if you charge people for commenting and they have to choose between that and making a post or upvoting, then you can damn sure bet that interaction will die a quick death. Maybe that's ok with the programmers who don't like people anyways, but for the ones here for the social aspect it will drive them away in herds.

You've hit the nail on the head there, Dave. Figuring out what people "will" and "want" to do is the crux of anything being widely successful and accepted. It doesn't matter what you personally want from anything if nobody else is interested.

Thank you @minismallholding! I'm glad to see the point reinforced so that maybe it sinks in to a few that make these decisions! I think we all want to help this place get better, so I hope they take it constructively! :)

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@davemccoy On the contrary, I think sustainable resource management necessary for mass adoption is the key focus of what we're trying to accomplish here.

Indeed, the goal is for SMTs eventually - ideally dApps running in tandem with STEEM or on centralized servers of their own. Yet this requires ensuring that resources paid for are allocated according to who owns them. In this instance we're not talking so much about users owning Steem but platforms owning larger amounts of STEEM. And those platforms are free to issue SMTs all they want in order to allot whatever of THEIR resources they wish to distribute accordingly to their dApp users. But these dApps must also be able to ensure their proportionate access to the STEEM blockchain.

It might be near-sighted to want mass adoption of a particular use case like a social network such as Steemit. Without some constraint keeping everyone in check, allowing rampant overuse of communal resources can't possibly work out in the long run.

If the use case is relevant and serves a purpose, people will migrate to it. Many may be turned off by Steemit, but I would hope that Steemit isn't the end goal anyways. The fact we're moving towards SMTs suggests that we're looking to become a dApp-friendly blockchain, and that requires some form of order above all rather than a disorganized use of blockchain resources. This is especially the case in regards to the low-SP population who clearly have no reason or incentive to hold onto Steem to begin with.

I believe in having meaningful communities and useful content. But in the context of what Steemit has to offer, some of this might take some finessing as to what the proper amount of resources actually is. The action cost is still declining due to equilibrium, and whether 10x is the answer or not is to be seen... but just because a bar is being set now doesn't really matter as long as the objective of not letting the platform die altogether is kept in check, as it has been as demonstrated by this update post.

I appreciate your reply and the courtesy with which you made your points. I can tell that you believe you are making the right choice. I respect that.

I also realize the point you made about preparing for what you think is going to be a rush of users (non-Steemit related). I am not privy to those negotiations nor do I have any way of knowing if this will be successful or not. I do hope you know what you are doing and wish you the best!

As regards to Steemit, I think you are running very close to killing it. I don't mean it ceasing to operate, I mean it being used as a general social media platform. If you don't care or have priorities that make that seem like no big deal, then I guess you will continue on your current path. If you do care, then I would highly suggest that you make the "engagement" function so small that people won't notice it even exists. If people find out they are getting blocked from doing anything and they find out that "engaging" is costing them something, then it will be the first thing they jettison. That's just a real world way of life.

I have had many (too many) conversations in the last few days with my friends and even with witnesses. The bottom line is most everyone at this point CARES. If you continue down the "Steemit is only a small part of the picture" path, then that will change faster than you currently realize.

Sometimes people immerse themselves into a world and a feedback loop that gives them answers they ask for, but not necessarily the truth. I think this is one of those times. I urge you and the powers within Steemit to take the time to really ask the mainstream before you test whether or not you really care about whether Steemit users stick around. This is intended as constructive advice, because I'm one of those that do still care at this point.

Amen, I “will” stop commenting in general.... wait I already have! Much of my commenting was not for my own sake but for the support and encouragement of the authors.

I could care less about the details but I care about the experience, posts get no comments currently. I crave interaction and if I get none I give none simple as that.

Will it get better as they say with adjustments of “normal” behaviour? How can it when some of the most active users have been deterred from interacting “normally” including myself.

I have seen you on nearly ever post I have read without a single solid rebuttal to your statements of “should do” and “will do”. The question remains what do the people in charge want from the Steem chain vs what do the users want?

I want to not worry about another limitation as I struggled for months already to break past the bandwidth limitations and finally get noticed then start interacting at a sufficient level! I made investments, though small as I’m not a wealthy man, which now feel unsatisfactory for the demand of the platform.

Pay to play.... hmm games moved away from this system to something with paid add-ons for good reason but still the full game is available to the user just the challenge of accomplishing the missions are higher without purchases.

This whole thing seems like a convoluted mess if you ask me! Now I’m risking loosing delegations from our community account and my own which will make myself need to pull delegations from dapps and community members so I can continue to post to receive even less interaction from those members whom held my delegations in the first place.

Foresight is essential in business, lack thereof has bankrupted many good companies nearly overnight. The only protection currently is the waiting period to power down.

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You said it better than me! I completely agree. I think they are so wrong on this one that they will have no choice but to see it. (and believe me, I don't think they look very hard either)

I'm very happy with the reaction from the people that actually read and respond though... It gives me encouragement that our voices might actually speak out loud enough that someone in power pays attention.

Thank you for making the point I was trying to make even better!

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Hi Dave

I think this is a step in the right direction, and would rather see incremental rises in RCs like this, rather than a patch that puts us no better off (with regards to cutting spam) than we were before. I suspect there could be more increases to come as a balance is found.

When the pumpkin seeds settle, it might be an idea to round up the 'good' red fish struggling to breath and find dolpins/orca's willing to delegate to them so they can transact as before. I'm going to hold off on this until Steemit inc have settled on parameters.

Cheers!

I agree with this. The current rise in RCs is a low bar step. Hopefully it doesn't need to be progressed higher, but there's nothing to prevent it from doing so.

Yes this week has sucked, but I still believe the objectives this dev team has sought out has been well thought out for scaling purposes, even if its implementation (in this last HF in particular) was a disaster and far from successful.

Asher, I think the world of you and think you are one of the most amazing people I know. I think the way you've sacrificed to help others is something that will pay you more than money when you reach my age and realize how your life has been lived.

Having said that.

I think they are dead wrong on "taxing" "charging" "applying" or whatever term is used to depleting the one resource that is needed to comment and communicate. I am even bothering to point it out to you for one important reason, I think you have the size and influence to maybe change it.

If you don't "get it", they won't get it. That I can guarantee you.

So I know you might not want to upset the masses and sometimes not rock the boat, but on this one I would ask you to think it through. If it wasn't YOU that ran the engagement league, I would be forming a protest movement against engaging until they fix it. I won't (because its you), but I am clear that chargning people goes completely against what you have been trying to achieve, MORE ENGAGEMENT.

I know you are willing to "help" people by delegating them more RCs, because that is how you roll... But that is something that is not something anyone should be beholden to you or anyone for. Making a comment and using "MANA" is something that should be "thanked" not "taxed". And just because generous people like you will plug the dike with "help paying those taxes" doesn't make it a thank you instead of a tax.

You don't need to reply, I'm not asking you to convince me on this one. In fact its the other way around for once. I'm asking you to think of how that person with 15 SP that just signed up is going to feel when they learn that they have to vote less if they comment. Do you really want them to choose making a comment and not giving others the value of their vote? How about witness votes? I voted for 2 witnesses with one of my alts 2 days ago (you and @yabapmatt), do you realize that took ALL MY RCs (that is all I did). So now I will get to vote for 20 and then my RCs will be gone?

Normally I think that things will straighten themselves out (sometimes smoothly and sometimes not)... But this is one that will have major ramifications. We all know they can tinker with the formulas of what has what value in their new genius plan, so if we can see that tax by the comments affecting our ability to do other things then it will have severe consequences. I hope you can find a way to see this. Because if you don't, then this place will never change. You (as a nice guy) want to give them time to see and give them the benefit of the doubt... I on the other hand and am not so nice, and I have seen the stupid decisions as I've seen the attrition directly. That greater than 100% attrition rate is a reflection on their lack of ability to be "in touch" with the masses. In my opinion, we need you to get it or Steemit will get so far out of touch that that connection is broken for good.

Again, no need to reply back. Please just think about this. If I'm wrong in your eyes, then its ok for us to disagree. I have the utmost respect for you and realize that two people can have differing opinions! I hope you have a great day and weekend.... So cheers and thank you for listening to my opinion!

Amen! You got it 100% @davemccoy. Bravo!!

Thank you for the support on this one @old-guy-photos! Its important that they "get it" (in my opinion) :D

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You can comment for free on Facebook.. what’s wrong with getting more transactions as you grow your account here? Do you not remember the bandwidth issues? I couldn’t post 5 times a day or comment 30 times a day either when I first started. Then as I made rewards I powered up and no longer had the issues.

Nothing on the blockchain is free, except for those of course who pull out all earnings while spouting as loud as they can that someone (evil whales) owes them something. That’s why you see so many accounts get delegation while they continue to not invest anything of their own, why would they after all? It’s like asking someone to give up welfare and go work for the same amount, why would they?

Why not help those who add value grow through delegation. They can start out small like the rest of us and work their way up.. commenting 10 times a day isn’t crazy and well, it seems it will be closer to 30 after all of this. We don’t really know seeing as we are still in the middle of fixing the shit storm that is happening around us. I say see if the patch fixes the issue, then let’s look into delegating those that need it and contribute. Those that suck this place dry could maybe power up a bit of their earnings, then go back to sucking as usual.

if you think commenting 10 times a day is a limit that is acceptable, even 30 times a day, then you clearly aren't aware of the mainstream commenters.

Also I don't know who you are referring to "sucking this place dry", but it is certainly not me. I have not taken out one penny. I do know that there is tons of money taken by the tons of whales and circle-jerk voters that use the system to protect their investment under the "absurd guise" of making advertising posts.

As far as your point about "helping" people through delegation, that is a good point if you are talking about providing them with a means to make money. But when you have an elitist attitude that "helping" people to get a delegation in order to make a comment then you have crossed a line. People will instinctively rebel to your attitude because no one should have "indebtedness" for stating their free voice.

If you want to have a social platform, then you can run it any way you like. But don't talk to down to people that can't afford to buy into their way of speaking in your world. I will never be quiet about this point. I have been civil with people that have disagreed with me. But when you come at me with a reply that insinuates that I am somehow sucking off the system and then pretend that everything is ok because people can just suck up to YOU and get some "mana" so they can speak, you have crossed the line.

You are very much in line with the people that run Steemit and the old group of people in the "club" that thinks everything is ok... Sadly for you and everyone like you, you can't see the truth if it bit you in the ass. This place has shrunk in the time that I've been here. For a tech company that is supposedly cutting edge this is not a good thing. And the reason it is failing is not due to the people that are "sucking" from the bottom either. The reason it is failing is people like you that fail to take the time to understand what it takes to make the masses want to use the system. There is a reason why people come and GO. If you don't know why that is, then look at your own attitude and maybe examine why they don't feel welcome!

I’m a Minnow dear, no one is gonna suck up to me for delegation and I don’t think anyone should suck up to anyone for delegations. I didn’t come at you with anything, and wasn’t accusing you in the slightest. Please re read my comment, because that was not the intention behind it.

My point is bandwidth issues are nothing new for brand new users. It’s something we all have dealt with and became less of an issue as we grow.

I’m not talking down to anyone, but there is a very clear issue with small accounts spamming while pulling everything out. Sure some large accounts make a ton of money and pull a lot out, but I mean.. they are somewhat invested or they wouldn’t be large accounts. Circle jerks are part of steemit.. everyone is involved in them, you.. me, everyone. You vote for your friends, sometimes without even reading the post. We only look down on large accounts doing it due to the fact that their vote is worth more.

I haven’t failed to see what makes masses use the system. I just think rather than focusing on getting as many new people as we can here, just for them to leave later due to unrealistic expectations, I’d rather see us take the time (through curation) to reward the authors who add value. Let’s keep the good ones here and market the platform correctly, fixing front end issues and many other things that need work before trying to get the masses on board... just for them to leave later on.

I didn’t not call you any names or attack you. I’m fine with having a difference of option and a heathy discussion, I just think it’s a bit early to start burning things down.

Ok I stand corrected on you not coming at me, if you say you didn't then I accept that.

I think you want to fix things at the front end, which I'm not sure what that means, but I'm all for fixing anything broken. As for getting the masses on board... sure they can wait... At some point the competitors will have a say, but that is a choice all companies can decide.

And finally I am not burning down anything. To the contrary, I'm trying to save this as a social platform for the masses. If people don't want this to be a social platform for the masses, then of course we will have a disagreement in the intended goal.

Again sorry if I incorrectly got the impression that you were coming at me in your comments. I appreciate your response for sure, and agree to disagree with you on the future direction of the platform.

Yes, sometimes things can be lost through text.. I had no intention of attacking you and I apologize if it came across that way.

By front end I just mean, user experience.. making it easier for masses to use etc. I’m also a fixer as you and am passionate about this place as well.

I just have always felt the need to essentially clean this place up a bit before inviting the masses, but you’re right, we are in a race against competitors. It’s just getting people here is easy, it’s keeping them that is difficult. Sort of like they say in customer service, getting new customers is twice as expensive as retaining the ones you have. I guess that is sort of my thinking here as well, but as you say.. there are many things that need fixing. Hopefully we see some postive changes in the next few days and we can take a look at where we are and what needs to be done. Have a good day!

I think we agree on more than we disagree on.

>It’s just getting people here is easy, it’s keeping them that is difficult. Sort of like they say in customer service, getting new customers is twice as expensive as retaining the ones you have.

Thank you for all the replies and I hope you have a wonderful day too! And a fantastic weekend as well ;)

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I totally get you. I used to enjoy commenting on other people's posts but just by doing this i know I will be charged/taxed, what's the point? I haven't earned anything since i joined, just friendships along the way because I exchanged comments with them. I Will just go back to wordpress where I won't be charged for commenting. Now I think i am losing confidence on Steemit.

I understand your point and sad that it is coming to this... I will say that the people at Steemit (the big boys) have been telling me for the last 2 days not to worry that it will all get fixed and it won't be a problem. And I sincerely hope so.

I do know that they did a "fix" and a lot of people that were unable to do anything can now post and comment... So I don't know if this whole thing was just a mistake, an issue with design, or simply something they realized their error and fixed based on the reaction. In any case, I'm happy to hear that people are connecting again and as long as they don't repeat such a stupid policy, then I'll stay a little longer and hope for the best!

It is nice to meet you @evlachsblog and I appreciate your comment and hope you stick around to see how it turns out too :)

It's nice to meet you, too, @davemccoy. I would love to stick around, and like you said, I also hope it was just a stupid mistake. I didn't use to worry about looking at "RC status" or mana... whatever those are. Until now, I am completely clueless what those terminologies mean. I read all the comments on this post, and your comment was the simplest and most comprehensible amongst all. You represented the rest of us, who have little to no knowledge of this platform, but are just here on Steemit, either to generate a little bit of income or just love to write and connecting with people.

I'm happy to hear your kind words and definitely happy to meet you too :)

I think they made some big progress with this last update so hopefully it isn't going to affect us nearly as much as it was. I do think they might have heard out message because that is the fastest I have ever seen them make a "fix" :P

Have a wonderful weekend! And again nice to meet you :)

That's good to know that they fixed the issue. It wouldn't be an ideal community if most of us are restrained to voice out our opinions or feedback and we have limited means to comment on other people's posts.

Have a good weekend, too, and hope you have a good week ahead!

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you shouldn't have used the word 'successful' in one of your previous posts. this could've been handled a lot better if you simply said 'there're issues but we're working on them', which is kinda what you're doing now (it's just way overdue).

this is the right direction because now you're acknowledging the fact that hf20 was never a success in the beginning (might be in the long term but not now) and rc is currently so overpriced minnows are completely locked out.

Hard for them to come forward, only after they got so much backlash.

oh the memes 😁
at least i had a good laugh

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Verry good

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Perhaps new (fresh accounts) - in particular ones transacting with dApps such as Steem Monsters, dtube, VIMM, etc get a pooled bonus to enjoy those apps... sensibly (ie accounts with x steem power, zero flags, and transactions of a certain json) get discounted "transactions" in terms of resource credits that tapers away as their account grows.

Surely every account at dolphin / orca / whale status isn't expected to use their entire allocation of Resource Credits in a single day? Does this not create equilibrium? I could never imagine using my entire bandwidth allocation pre HF20.

I may be missing the whole point, but the true cost of not-transacting on chain at all for these new and on boarding accounts is far greater than the "true cost" of a transaction in terms of blockchain computational cost.

I know that this update lays the foundation for SMTs, and I might be missing something about how RC interact with this, but please, think of the minnows!

They're our future!

@holoz0r, let me add to your submission that Planktons and minnows are users who keep the #steemit platform engaging. Their quest for growth is what spurs frequent posts and comments against what the whales do.

Sadly, this RC computation has totally denied most planktons and minnows of this feeling as they cannot post nor comment. This should be revisited.

Moreover, the RC computation do not show estimates for posts. Estimates are only pooled for comments, voting and poweups. Personally had 19 comment pools. After I successfully made one post, the whole thing drained to 6, implying I cannot post again in the mean time.

@steemitblog, help us by giving estimates of posts or amount of RCs needed for posts so we can plan well.

Thank you for the update though we expect more frequent updates in 6 hour intervals..

There are third party tools (such as steem.supply) which will show an estimate of posts/ votes/ transactions available, however, I am not certain of their mathematical accuracy; given the instability we're all going through right now.

Once the numbers stabilise, I'm sure we'll see the true potential of this "Velocity" Hard Fork come to be.

I hope

We will...have faith, just needs a little tweak for minnows and gold :)

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This is a primary concern for our group as well. Many of the people who participate in our #informationwar group are under 100 SP, brand new people obviously having the default amount upon account creation.

The best way for people to get more followers and interact with people is to make dozens of comments daily on posts they find interesting. We will see a hampering of growth in tota new accounts are not abl to make many comments daily. Reddit for example, you might make 30 to 40 comments there daily pretty easily, theres so many subreddits you can follow and so many things to comment on. Steem is growing and this will be the case here as well. When users find they can't make a reasonable amount of comments they will likely not want to be here.

Are we going to have the ability to sell our excess Resource Credits and or loan excess Resource Credits? As was stated, people with a few thousand SP can basically make hundreds of comments per day and likely never will use all of their bandwidth(resource credits).

I would really like the ability for the InformationWar account to be able to give out our excess Resource Credits, and or have an option that delegates a % of our Resource Credits out to someone else.

A few ways I think it could work, first one being that you do the same as Steemauto upvoting services do it. Give us the ability to set a threshhold/limit to how much % the IW account can give out in a day. So if we have 10 people signed up under us, and we allocated in total 10% of our resource credits out, and we allow each user to only take one full percentage point per day. Very similar to how you setup curation trail upvote following on Steem auto, preset limits based in %.

Or give us the option to give someone the Resource Credit itself, so we could transfer it like we transfer Steem or SBD from account to account.

There should be so much excess Resource Credits that whales will be fighting eachother for who can price it lower, so the price of such a thing shouldn't be very high.

I welcome all criticism/feedback to this suggestion of course.

Thanks, @truthforce

comment as a bookmark so I can revisit these ideas

Why can't we make Post Playlists? Not just with bookmarking comments, posts, but in making playlists, or I mean lists, like you see on YouTube, but just lists of articles, comments, videos, photos, or whatever that we may find on Steemit and/or anywhere online, offline, or whatever. We also SHOULD have premium content like they have on Gab.

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I love this idea, and was actually going to suggest it on an earlier thread, but I didn't have enough RCs to comment at the time.

@truthforce Your suggestions are really good and based on facts. I really appreciate it and hope all steemit services will resume shortly.

I like the idea, but I think it would be nicer to implement such a way of dealing with the RC in a built-in method (managed by the network code, or witnesses). And have let's say a flag you could broadcast, to enable/disable others using your RC (and maybe auto-activate for account inactive for more than... X amount of time). In return, a small percentage of the reward will revert to the RC share poolers (users that wish to share their RC). A limit of RC to share should also be implemented, to avoid locking up accounts (let's say, we could say that I am willing to participate with RC up to 50%, and after that, I would need to wait for recharge). This last bit might be very hard to implement, I am guessing.

The reason I believe it to be best as a built-in property of the blockchain code, is to reduce or avoid gaming situations of price manipulation. And it would allow the entire accounting ecosystem of steem to be used as a resource pool. This will greatly create competition for whales and following investors. But most importantly, this will give or greatly increase the opportunity for minnows to participate with very low bandwidth, more often.

To create an incentive for users to NOT use the system as a reward mechanism ONLY (and kill the network interactivity), the above pool would be consumed in a product of the percentage of each RC for the amount of account inactivity. Meaning that for all inactive accounts, the RC share would be much higher and would unfavour whales to become inactive for the exploitation of the RC share (since the reward of using accounts would be much higher than becoming inactive to grab higher RC).

Really nice discussion.

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What does this mean?
It says i have RC Status 69.71 %|1,269,526,091,571 RC. ... Is this good?
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Wtf @christoryan .....once again your fucking me over!! How dare you transfer MY REWARDS to you?? I hope you get fucked really hard in the ASS....Oh wait I forgot, YOU LOVE STUFF SHOVED UP YOUR ASS! Kharma is coming for you Christopher Ryan Butler.....and I have a feeling it will hurt....even for your punk bitch self

It means you have a trillion RC which is more than mine which I have 211 SP. SO, I can comment more than 100 times a day, or something like that currently, and you probably can do a little more than that as of right now.

ok thanks @joeyrnoldvn

OK I feel that you have explained this well and have done some.research. #namaste

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Awesome

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If you consider that the dApps will be able to get discounted account tokens and they will likely have RC, they can potentially onboard and delegate to their new users directly in the future. And as you have rightly noticed, you aren't likely to ever need all of your RC so essentially there is the potential to have a bandwidth market where those same dApps or users perhaps can rent lines in various ways, just like Steem delegations.

Seeing what the true costs are however is an important thing to do before concessions can be made. Up until this point, no one knew what was costing what where which meant many accounts were interacting in a type of debt structure without knowing it. Now it seems that it is possible to better allocate resources to where they are needed as we can see where the needs actually are. In time, this should be able to be continuously fine tuned and tweaked to support onboarding and the support of onboards as it will be clear what is required to do so.

The current situation although uncomfortable is likely relatively short-lived but could bring a lot more opportunity as it empowers the Dapps to better serve their users which means, higher decentralization and distribution.

i hope you right tarazkp

Will see how it all pans out.

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I did a SteemMonster gift card to see the tax and it was zero!

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Yes. This is EXACTLY where I'm at. Those minnows are gunna bail.

They already have. No one forgets the feeling of “You can only comment 1 time per day.” This is an epic fail on a level I didn’t even think possible.

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In truth the very real danger is that there will be no future dolphins or whales, which is kind of the truth about mankind. When we have children, the parents have to sink a large portion of the available resources into the health and well being of that new Sovereign Autonomous Life. That investment is the principal authority of the investor or in life the parent. Everyone involved has that principal investment to some degree. Witnesses are a part of everyone and I am sure looking out for there own vested interest. In truth if you don't think that the witnesses vested interest is the same as your own, than why are you here?

If you do believe that the Witnesses vested interest and yours is close enough to be there no never mind, than pay the Witnesses the past performance we have enjoyed. Have faith in the only proper use of faith there is. Just as you know the Sun will come up, because it has in the past. So should you know that those who are working to make our experiences the best that it can be, are. Later we can pick it all apart and see how we can make it better.

For now I say let the drivers drive, and see if we are not where they said we would be?

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Yeah in theory, it sounds great, but this could be open to abuse from bots. If you give too many RC's away to new accounts this could just lead to more SPAM. This is a fine balancing act for sure.

For now, the 'dApps' onboarding new users may need to delegate SP to ensure the new users can use their apps as intended.

Not ideal for sure, but could solve a problem or two.

In an ideal world dolphins and above should be able 'sponsor' or 'buddy up' with new users to share their RC credits. ie. You go fishing in the plankton pool and give someone or many people that you think have potential access to your RC credits. (Let's call it Delegated RC)

Just thinking out loud.

What is spam? Is my comment here spam?

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its been a long time since the update and my best friend @steemingmark still cant post his blogs?? Please help!?

That’s just it. A patch is coming . If a patch doesn’t resolve it then we are all screwed.

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@stellabelle did the patch come in? thanks

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Can we donate money to new accounts in order to give them more resource credits (RC)? Can we have a test website where hard forks are tested at? Back to my first question, why not encourage individuals to help new users by vetting them, by sponsoring them in joining Steem, financially, instead of by simply expecting Steem to offer too much welfare, socialism, free money, themselves?

Nice work, team :D

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I don't feel well.

Mend the barn after
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That was great news for all of us..@steemitblog thank you very much shearing with us

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"shearing" indeed ... :-D

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Fixed one thing, another thing arised... :( I wonder why there is a testnet in first place..

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Just want to steem! Save steem!

Thanks and hope things are fixed soon!

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This is my perspective, as regards the current dispensation, I think Steemit Inc is interested in acquiring more Steem Power compared to what transpires before now where some folks just get something out of the platform without thinking of investing in it.
I think have seen that in operation, where my reward payout doubles my steem power organically. Kudos to that!

Albeit, the challenges with the Resource Credit and Mana is incredibly a one hell of a situation on the platform. Considerably, it is only accounts with 50k SP that can comfortably make use of these features. Meanwhile, the experience (freedom) a new user would have about the platform has been diminished by these changes. And it is not healthy for growth. Practically, if not all accounts built their reputation and pushed their accounts to limelight via necessary and adequate commenting. You see why limited comments due to low RC is just like the end of the game?

But like the update says, restoring continuity. Well done to the team!

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Awesome stuff

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The idea steem could replace bitcoin has never seemed as far fetched unrealistic as it does this week. I think I bet on the wrong horse

if you think steem will replace bitcoin you are very much on the wrong horse, but not because of HF20. Steem was never competing against btc, it is competing against twitter or reddit.

You dropped a word. Badly. It is competing badly.

Thanks for letting me know

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The idea it could replace any social media site is laughable

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Getting not enough rc credits to power up needs to be fixed. If powering up gives more rc credits people will be more likely to power up. But if you can't power up when low on RC then it kind of lowers engagement. I do a lot of promoting for steemit give away a ton of steem swag and I can already see a difference in entries for the lastest item it was suppose to be in honor of the hf. The comments of those who I know love this platform is very telling. It is like us little people who work hard to grow the platform but don't have tens of thousands of dollars don't matter. I hope this will fix those issues. I love this platform but the last few days have sucked. Just being honest.

The depth of failure is so immense, I didn’t think this was even possible.

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@stellabelle I am in wait and see mode right now but I hope this gets fixed if low on credits people should be able to power up, I have to be very careful what I respond to, but this issue I hope the ones who can do something about it does cause this isn't right, so many of us has spent so many hours inside and outside the platform promoting it that just because we don't have lots of money to invest we don't matter as much. I know this was meant to cut down on spam, but this didn't work very well because it also punished those who add value to the platform, though I might not be the best content creator, I am original and promote the shit out of steemit. I have invested hundreds of dollars over the last year in steem swag merch to giveaway, I refuse to sell it and give it away in contests and giveaways paying for the shipping without requiring much at all, including not requiring an upvote to enter for the love of he platform. Yeah, I am a little salty, this should post as I haven't posted much today, but I keep getting errors when I shouldn't so who knows. I still love steemit and I hope all these issues gets resolved. But I won't be able to sustain these giveaways if this keeps up.

I agree. The comments are very telling. I say we wait it out and see how things balance over the next week or so. But if what I suspect is true, they've changed the model entirely from a "newbie centered" platform, to an "investor centered" platform.

I am hoping things stablize and I am seeing some positive signs my RC restored to 100%

Because sitting back, waiting a week, and just hoping things "stabilize" is "good for the platform"?

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Thanks. Most of us are patient and also understand - for commercial reasosns - we must keep positive to the outside world.
I hope the patch also solves the issue of fully delegated accounts (investors) who got not enough RC to do anything.

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Like seriously,
Limiting users transaction is not a good idea.
I believe that this will hurt many dApps currently on the blockchain.
For example, some dApps have reviewers who review and comment on post made through their front end, this may likely stop due to the cost of RC. Increasing it x10 wont make things better. Imagine a community having 1000 contribution daily. How are this contribution going to be reviewed?

My other concern would be that some dApps may decide to stop submitting comments/post to the blockchain. dApps on the blockchain could start creating their own db for storing users data like comments and posts, allowing them to only send post "URL" redirecting people to their front end app. This will allow their user to have less fear of the cost of commenting/posting through their front end.

I fear that if this happens, many pieces of information would not be sent to the blockchain because of "the cost." Every dApps would want to make their users happy and utilizing just the rewarding system just like dlive.

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Thanks for the update. I've audited the most recent changes and have started deploying the updates across my nodes now.

Thanks a lot for your hard work, I just voted for you as a witness recently. I will update my votes once a month and let all the witnesees know about that. I'm very positive about this hard fork and I see it the best one for now. You can check my post about it if you like The positive side of Hard Fork 20 !.

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With 203,255,391,671 RC (about 107 SP) after full recharge I'll be able to make just approx. 14 comments in few days (maybe 2 to 3 comments per day), without posting, following or upvoting actions.

It seems therefor that we will all in general spend much less time in Steem blockchain. Hope my calculation is wrong, but I'm afraid it is not.

This means that Steem will become a very close community of few whales and dolphins. So unless I will buy significant sum of Steem on market, I will have only very limited access and can make very little interaction within blockchain users.

I agree 100 %. I don't see why they think more users will come to Steem platform and that price of STEEM will go up. The price will go down this way, as there will be only few limited number of persons, who will want to invest in Steem under this conditions.

Why would somebody invest in platform, which only few whales and dolphins will be using on daily basis?

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I have the same concern as you, and I think that most minnows and bigger investors have it too. @steemitblog, @ned, can someone please address whats the plans to fix this issue, and how this will help steem?

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This would make people's post have less than $1 Pls let commenting not be restricted as well as posting. Most people wont be able to handle it

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Thanks for all the communications during the problems we have seen with HF20! It sucks when there is a problem with the blockchain, but at least I feel a lot more reassured when I see a few updates from @steemitblog along the way.

Steemit has been a pain for the last few days but it sounds like people are working very hard to sort the problems out so well done. Cheers mike

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In this way ... 1 STM= 0.001 $
I hope it will not be...

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So new accounts will be able to post now?

at least monthly or bi monthly.

Lol. This place is doomed.

A 6SP account can only make a single post or comment with 100 % RC, so not really. New accounts only get 3 STEEM worth of RC these days, so I'm not even sure if they can do a single post or comment..

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Thank you, for this update. @SteemitBlog
Hoping that we reach the equilibrium that you envision, soon.

Reading up and trying to understand like crazy.

I really like where this is taking Steemit.

I do hope you tweak it just a little bit for Minnows. It feels like they are a bit short on having enough ability to comment/reply (in one sitting)..

(just gut feel, reading peoples comments, looking at recharge rates and comment amounts etc).

Anyways this is my honest feedback. Keep up the good work

Cheers

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HF 20 “Velocity” (into brick wall)

yes and it was a "success"!!!

I would advise witnesses to reject this update. They admittedly made mistakes with this hard fork, and I don't think trying to adjust it is the proper path. They say continuity is important, but they have failed to hold that up. It is time to ROLL BACK this hard fork, and work out the errors, before re-implementing it. Proceeding with tweaks could just make this shit worse.

We would have to back quite a ways, and roll back the chain, that's unpossible (transactions, money has moved, content would be lost, it cannot just be flipped like a switch once the train is too far from the station. However ,it would have been possible, last week... like it was the week before. I know, because I'm a witness who had to do just that overnight and has been up all week sleepless, shepherding patches and confused users all over the platform, ever since.

Good day! Honestly I'm a little bit confused with new rules of Steem eco after HF20. So can you tell more detail to people what they need to do to get some much mana as it possible? How to get more RC? Do they need make more comments or votes?
Maybe it will be more clear if we will have some road map how to return our accounts to normal conditions step by step...

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I note that currently commenting and voting costs RC, not pays it. Voting and commenting lower your RC.

Go figger...

I want you to make steemit reward as weku.
No matter what tge value of steem is, the rewards should be like weku. This will male more people engage at steemit.

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Thank you.

Working in software development I appreciate the quick turnaround and attempt to identify and fix what is wrong.

Again, all I can say it comes to communication. Whilst we are getting better at this we just need to keep working. If we all knew various factors were getting reset to zero and have to regenerate back up it would have gone a long way to allaying the concerns from all the various classes of fish.

Steem on!

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> That means within 24 hours witnesses can prepare to run the new code and deliver the improved user experience that Steemians want.

I guess by that you meant: return to the normal user experience.

Btw, are we going to see a RC dellegation market emerge which will, again, benefit those with the bigger accounts...

My opinion is that Steemit is in danger of losing what attracts people here in the first place rather than just posting on Facebook. The limits are still too tight. Most of us don't come here to be investors. We come here to earn a few nickles, enjoy one another's company, read, communicate, and then become investors as that becomes practical for us! What you are doing insures that it never becomes practical. I believed in this platform because it had the potential to help people, myself included. However, if it no longer does that, what is the point??? Especially when I currently post, and my post fairly dives into insignificance as it is! Are you listening to all these comments?

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the Best!

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30 Comments / Day?

Currently, my daily comment limit is 30, according to Steemd.com as of 2018-09-27 Thursday, as in right now, as in so far, and a 10x increase would raise that to 300 comments a day which is based on my 211 SP. Hope the patch can increase the limits by 10x or by more than that. Beyond that, or regardless of that, I'll continue to try to elevate my SP which maximizes the RC.

RC vs REP

I think Resource Credits (RC) are not based on my 51 reputation score (REP). I'm thinking that maybe RC should be based off a combination of SP & REP. I'm not sure if 300 comments/day is good enough, but it is better than 30.

Only 3 or 6 Comments Left?

Now, yesterday, SteemD said I had 3 more comments left and I wrote one big comment with an uploaded screenshot picture and then SteemD said I had zero comments left. At the moment, I have 6 comments left, and this comment may take me down to 5, 4, or maybe even 3, like yesterday, maybe because of how wordy I am here, with all of these words, all of these paragraphs and paragraph titles. Hoping for the best for Steemit, each step at a time. Yours truly, Oatmeal.

Force people for powering up is not a good idea. I am here not more than two months, also planning to invest more, but looks like it was a very bad idea.

I can make only one comment today. LOL

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I translated your article and spread it to kr community. Thank you.

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Somewhere, sometime, somehow, someone will study the economics and psychology of this incredible living experiment.

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looks like there is still some missunderstanding (or even bug?) with the mana stuff.
One example:
API returns
'current_mana': 109210831230,
'estimated_mana': 126474130595,
'estimated_max': 222766110968,
Some hours ago beem-library as well as steemd returned
100/estimated_mana * current_mana = 49%
and steemworld as well as steemnow returned
100/estimated_max * currentmana = 86%
now things changed - even more strange:
steemd/beem return a 56%
steemworld and steemnow return 100%

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I am going to waste some RC's here.

Go back two years look at your comments about HF17.
Look at how much talk there was about The LEVEL of Engagement.
The complaining about a LACK OF COMMENTS on post.
Is that what people want to go back to? No Comments only votes?
Because I wanted my RC to rebuild a little bit I tried to refrain from commenting very much today. So I looked back in history. Initially I wanted to learn a little bit more about @berniesanders and someone named @nogono or something like that. Couldn't find anything, but I did learn a lot about bernie, he used to to not downvote. I only found a couple of downvotes from him in his earlier days, he was back then like now still concerned with steemit, and like now as then he still got pissed at idiots using #steemit tag for a lot of their post. He also like the photography tag. The point is, look at and learn from history or you end up repeating it. Try looking at page 1500 of his on steemd, and 1475 and 1600. I think it was page 1500 that I found a post he either commented on or made, I don't recall exactly, but there was a lot of talk about HF17 and lack of comments and lack of overall engagement. I even learned that Stan Larimar is Dan's dad and has an account on here. Still active also.

The individuals that participate in Asher's league of Engagement are the kind of people that you were looking for two years ago. now you want us to go away, to not comment and to only vote your shit post because along with not being able to comment people are not going to be able to post.

You want to fix and equalize the comments and find the quality in steemit, then talk to people like @abh12345, and @thedarkhorse (@pifc), they got a lot of people to comment and engage and to find quality content among the new users.

I will be unable to respond to any comments made to this comment, courtesy of the HF20 designers and testers. May in 48 hours, but then I will have higher priority message to respond to I am sure.

Personally, I think these posts are the best place to be 'wasting' RCs at present 😊

My gut feeling was that the numbers were not going to be spot on first time around. A 10x increase in RCs is a start, and there may be more to come. The balance between cutting the legs off the abusers, and allowing the good to engage freely is tough, but im hopeful that with the community feeding back, this will be achieved.

It may be that 'we' need to support, as many do at present, young, promising accounts with delegation - I am happy to that if it means less crap on the network.

As far as the Leagues go, this week will go ahead as usual. I have been 'concerned' recently with comments that would he be better served over the phone and on discord. Ideally, less of these and more inclusive remarks, which allow others to join in a conversation, will be the output of these changes.

Cheer man, have a good day.

I resonate with your patience with giving RCs a chance to adjust, and the need for a system like them for SMTs to work in HF21. However, I just discovered that new users only get delegated 5SP now. Also that the 10x is by the pool, not by the person.

That means that even "round 2" of the RC allotments will still mean new users can only comment or post once per day! And that's if they get the full 10x. More likely that distribution will also be top heavy.

That's outrageous. Clearly we need to skip the 10x and go straight to 100x, and instead of making it go by current RC/SP, have it be an inverse relationship. I honestly don't need a 10x, though I'd appreciate my VP/mana coming back over 80%. But I will likely get more than 10x. And lots of people who can't possibly comment/post as much as their current RC allows (which for me right now is more than 100 per day of each, pah!) will now get more. Meanwhile the plankton still will not be able to hardly function.

Please urge who you can urge to skip 10x and go to 100x now. We can adjust based on system feedback after that for round 3 of RC algo adjustments.

And let's move away from this idea of how much SP you have being what determines if you're a spammer all together. There is no relation between the two. If RCs will be used to cost actions, which makes sense, then new users should be given enough to behave normally, which is more like 20 comments per day. A spammer can't succeed with only 20 comments per day, but a normal person can.

It would have been nice for the RC-developers to track the work of your League of Engagement with a pseudo-RC to estimate resource usage and develop initial parameters. It seems like their initial setup was designed to reward future blockchain uses, rather existing social platform activity.

There's a part of me that knows this was always in the white paper, that is, the social platform not being a priority in the long run. But it's still hard to see. For folks that built up their SP, it could be good financially as some blockchain projects pan out, but it still is a shame to lose the sense of community and connections with people we've gotten to know and appreciate.

> It would have been nice for the RC-developers to track the work of your League of Engagement with a pseudo-RC to estimate resource usage and develop initial parameters. It seems like their initial setup was designed to reward future blockchain uses, rather existing social platform activity.

I agree. Hopefully the balance has been found. From my Leagues post this week, it seems that HF 20 didn't cause too much of an issue to the accounts who are at least minnow status.

Personally, and I've said this many times, I don't think that STEEM will ever moon based on it's main value coming from Blogging. If we want the token value to rise, I think we have to accept that there has to be value coming from elsewhere. I agree though, to chop the legs off the bloggers/engagers completely is unwise, and I hope that that a compromise is found (perhaps it has just been found) so we can continue growing here, and the token can grow in other ways too.

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i have a question. Why rewards seem 10% lower than usual? i have screenshot two posts before rewards

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And nearly 15 minute later, rewards came. but %10 lower

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??? this is so interesting. isn't it

Anyone ask question above? Thanks for your interested.

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How many steem a 1Sp account to power up so it could post again? or the minimum SP to post?

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Move in the right direction 👍 10x RC will hopefully make Steem useable again, thx for the quick updates, but better testnet is essential for future upgrades.

Also rename Voting Mana to Voting Power again, Mana is too confusing. Or just call it Voting Credits.

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thanks for the updates @syeemitblog

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The idea of RCs is awesome, the implementation.... left a lot to be desired.

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how many days need for complete this update?

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Last night before I went to bed, my voting power was over 50%. My lease expired and I got undelegated overnight, and now my voting power is 6%. WTF!?!

I never upvote my own comments, but I think this should be bumped closer to the top.

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RIP steem

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First patch: YASSSS! I wasn't able to post at all the other day, and now my RCs are moving up slowly at a snail's pace. While some days I'll be absent if I'm super busy, I tend to upvote a lot, comment a lot , post a couple times a day, typically. I consider myself a relatively active Steemian and there are time when this increases significantly. I think increasing the limit x10 is an excellent move, particularly for active users like me. It woudl be cool for it to replenish more quickly, I understand that it words the way it works, but a boost head start would be nice if it's possible (just suggesting).

When you talk about delegated SP not conferring, is that for the person receiving the delegation or the person delegating? And how is it not conferring at the moment? I wasn't aware there was a change in that regards.

The regeneration is very slow right now. After almost two full days, I'm still below 50% and only posted a couple of times, very few comments and fewer upvotes. I've been scarcely on these days. I saw one note for the fix mention regeneration, but I don't know if it will make it that mana regenerates more quickly. I'd suggest considering that if it wasn't already on you list of possible fixes.

With HF20, is there a change to the time restriction for comments, of 20 seconds? Sometimes I reply to a comment made to me, in a few seconds, and then read another short comment, and I want to acknowledge that person too, but it's sooner than 20 seconds. Just inquiring, but I'm not too bothered by that, I just reply a lot of "Thank you"s quickly sometimes.

You guys are doing great work. There are always bugs and fixes and patches with big updates. Just look at SWTOR hahaha Every new patch creates a bunch of bugs that require fixing in an update a few days later.

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I knew it, what a team!!! Good Job... and yes this new RC method is revolutionary in the Blockchain world... so yes, we need to have it...

Let the patches fall where they ... may, and our RC pools fillup like a mana pot!!!!

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My promoted post disappeared with 4 days remaining.

Hmmm. Here's an email:

legal@steemit.com

Hope that helps.

Hello @steemitblog, thank you for the lengthy explanations but still I would like to make a blog and see what happens. Also looking forward for a better payout for blogs in the near future. Thanks a lot for your team efforts to make steemit a better place for all of us. God bless!

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I only have one thing to say: Fork the Forking Forkers!

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This SCREAMS of Crisis Management.
If it isn't fixed quickly, users will leave.

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하드 포크20에 실망을 어떻게 추스려
나가야 할지 모르겠습니다.

아직도 베타 딱지를 못 떼어 내는 이유가 이제는 이해가 됩니다.
내가 보기에는 기술진에 실력이 있는 사람을 충원하고 좀더 애정어린 관심이 필요해 보입니다.

좀더 분발하시기 바랍니다.

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Thank you for the HF20 update Blog - keeping the new steemits informed what is going on - This is my first ( since joining ) experience of such a big update and I must admit did cause me concern - getting a popup advert -buy more steem power to post, comment and use steemit - ADvert - With such a low power as mine I though, here we go, this is a way to block me having interaction, for just speaking my mind about bad bots that pray on making everyone think you have to buy resteems to get Followers ( which is just not true ) I resteem for free, if the post/blog meets the 7 day post/blogging time to get payment for anyone's latest current post/blog - and I have been downvoted by those that do not like the truth about resteeming and getting followers, that is why my power is so low, watch this reply to see what I mean as and when it happens, -
I have re:steem'ed your very informative post,
So to see your resteem click my green @super-grand-ad

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sounds a lot like

https://img.devrant.com/devrant/rant/r_209701_MdtvB.jpg

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Hello @transisto, I have sent 10 steem to @promobot before HF 20 and did not recive upvote nor money back, can you help with it?

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https://steemit.com/topairdrops/@topairdrops/iuno-airdrop

Steemit, before HF20 the main dissenting voice was @nextgencrypto. It would seem that you managed to increase the ranks of unhappy witnesses.

https://steemit.com/witness-update/@reggaemuffin/witness-statement-for-reggaemuffin-proposing-hardfork-adoption-requirements

https://steemit.com/steem/@ura-soul/improving-steem-s-hard-fork-process-where-s-the-documentation-decentralisation-in-theory-only

If Steemit had been a Japanese company they would have all made a public act of contrition by now and maybe bowed out in shame

>Steemit, before HF20 the main dissenting voice was @nextgencrypto. It would seem that you managed to increase the ranks of unhappy witnesses.

Hey! Don’t forget about me!

>If Steemit had been a Japanese company they would have all made a public act of contrition by now and maybe bowed out in shame

Seppuku is a reasonable option as well.

Yes, but you like guns. I'm European, Europeans don't like guns! :p

Seppuku is performed with a traditional knife. Here my present for the Steemit Inc. team:
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Indeed, sorry I forgot to mention you! :-)

Doesn't have to be a gun or a knife. Any of us intelligent people can turn just about anything into a weapon. I have some pretty hefty old hard drives lying around... drop a couple of those into a sock and it'll make one killer flail.

LOL

A can of soda, some lighter fluid, and some ABS pipe makes a sort of mortar too.

I've put my "approval" where my mouth is
Despite your love of guns ... :p

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Those days have been a nightmare but anyway this phrase is a great summary: No other community on Earth is trying to do what we are all trying to do together...

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The message Steem team is sending with recent HF20: buy our crypto or stay away from steem platform. Steemit is therefor no longer a social media platform, where everyone gets paid for creating and curating content, but the club of exclusive group of users (orcas, whales and dolphins). What kind a social media platform allows their newbies to post just couple of comments and then has to wait for RC to recharge. What is the RC recharge speed anyway? Can somebody let me know this?

You can go to https://steemd.com/@nandotrif to check your numbers.

Mana, like voting power (used to) replenishes in 5 days.
Or, in other words replenishes 20% each day (prorated/calculated per block)

The thing they are not telling you is that the minimum RC mana was set SOOOOO low, that a newbie account can vote twice every five days. They could never post or comment. Their maximum mana is lower than the cost of those operations. Meaning, waiting for things to stabilize meant nothing.

Even i, with a decent account, 1.5 MVests, don't have enough mana to do the manual voting and commenting that i used to. The 10x (change written about above) will be enough for me, the 5000th largest account. I am pretty sure they will up it to 100x before all is said and done.

Further, mana should never have been based on a linear formula.
The difference between a super active user and a minimal user is actually very small.
So, the line will quickly get into territory where you could never spend it all. So, why bother at all?

The only reason is bots. And those need to be computed separately.

Thanks a lot for your comment, @builderofcastles. RC MANA has recharged faster in last few hours and it seems that the cost of each interaction (post, comment, follow, upvote ...) has become much lower now as well. Hope it will remain like that, at lest for a while.

though things are not smooth as before after this HF20 but we have full faith on you team and looking forward to see it stable soon. I am not able to post anything but still hopeful that it will be over soon and we all will be able to work smoothly in our lovely platform. All the best.

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Me complace ver y saber cómo se ha ido atenuando la agresividad, y hasta uso de palabras subidas de tono, de parte de algunos usuarios.

En realidad, como lo escribí antes, hay angustia ante la incertidumbre, pero también hay que estimar que se está trabajando por mejorar el sistema, y yo también he vivido una especie de zozobra, pues deseo que la red me permita interactuar de nuevo, y de forma libre.

A través de la lectura de la expresión de Dios, he aprendido a tener fe y paciencia, (Hebreos 11), y se alcanzan la paz y la esperanza.

Aguardemos por buenos resultados.

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Great action multiplying resource budgets!

With regards to fair pricing :

I know you're busy rolling out the new patch now, but I really think that one of your next tasks should be education. The banner on top of the Steemit.com UI is a great gimmick, but a new user wouldn't understand half of what you're saying in this post (just because they don't have our level of knowledge).

Limiting resources according to the stake is a great tool in order to foster invest, however it needs to be explained properly. Remembering my first day on Steem I swear I had no idea what Steem Power was or how I could increase it. Yet back in 2016 we could at least ask questions for free.

I would appreciate if all new users were specifically taught what powering up in order to increase ressource credits effectively means (e.g. providing them with professional tutorials). Also only a tiny minority knows that they can go check their mana on steemd.com and similar service providers. We - the community - can help to inform people, but you have the power (and RCs) to direct their attention towards a virtual class room, for instance.

Thanks to the Steem ecosystem we're even able to incentivate the actions we wanna see. So why not inviting people to visit such a virtual class room, to watch some tutorials with the main info about how everything works and then do a short test after it. You can then reward people with some fresh SP if they provide the correct answers which will teach them an important lesson right from the start: engagement is profitable!

You said gamification - well then let's make this become a game right from the start...

Steem on 🤙

Im up for taking action on this @surfermarly. Professional tutorials and all.

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And you'd do a helluva good job of it too.

You’re hired.

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@surfermarly as an old gentle soul that's trying to keep our charity afloat, most of the chat here is way over my head. Fortunately we have people of integrity, including @paulag that always stand ready to lend a helping hand! She will be ideal for this job!

thank you @sircork, @stellabelle and @papilloncharity, guess I have some work to get started on

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please come back, we are nothing without steemit ♥

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

A lot of comments, and interesting discussions, so this may get lost. However, here goes...

Does anybody have a mathematical model of RC (and Mana, as they are coupled sometimes)?

Just the mathematics and the logic; essentially the pseudocode for the functions that affect RC.

I know they will be inside the code, but I don't read code - before the code there are the concepts. If the devs have created a complex system, then patches may not always have the desired effects as feedback loops start to morph the system.

I suspect there are others on Steemit who have a range of appropriate and useful skills that could be called upon to advise (or at the very least give an informed opinion) on potential icebergs.... and how to avoid them.

Yep, here ya go, it's been up since May.

https://github.com/steemit/steem/wiki/RC-Bandwidth-System

:-) Thanks!

With SMTs on the horizon, perhaps I should devote more of my resources to the intricacies of the system.

Can we have a guidelines to, and review how much RC making a Post would cost?
I noticed, that a New/Free account, meaning, accounts with under 15SP, are unable to create a Post that would be worth reading.
Interactions such as Voting, Commenting, Transacting are substantially cheaper than Posting. So I don't think a new user would have much issue with those being restricted to an extend.
What I'm worried about, is a situation in which the system is made into Invest-to-Post situation.
For individual new users, the ability to Comment, and Post, is more valuable in terms of platform attractiveness than the ability to Vote and Transact.
Am I crazy, or what?

I am just hoping for the best, and blowing whatever I have in RC's on sharing, upvoting and commenting on this comment. I am still reluctant to compose a post only to get the pop-up that I don't have enough RC to post, lol
So for now, I am using WEKU as my sandbox until things settle down here.

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My friend just started out here on steem. They have 5SP, 10 million Mana/RC max.

They are showing me error messages where they cannot post or comment.

The transaction error amount is 19 Million for posts, and then 20 million for commenting.

I have read that this HF was in an effort to counter spam/bots. Which is great. But at the same time, users new/old, need to have the ability to post as a starting point.

As a plankton I'm grinding through by providing content. That was only possible because I could post on a weekly basis.

Please reassess for the little people here!!!

I didn't realize new accounts only get 5SP now. It was 15SP when I joined. At only 5SP, even with this 10x patch, you will still only be able to either post or comment about once a day. That's thoroughly unacceptable.

This has been my concern a long time, and I've been trying to bring it to the attention of the witnesses for a while. How much SP one has cannot be how we determine who is a spammer and try to restrict their activity. You have to fight spam some way that doesn't also fight new users.

Anything that ultimately comes back to SP, as RCs do, is a bad method for fighting spam.

I think that something that measures engagement is a much better way to fight spam. UA scores are going a long way in that direction. Why not use something like that to determine how many RCs someone gets?

I understand the spending of RCs on all actions, but give people more to start with so that they are never running on empty just interacting as a real human being.

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Just don't reset our VP to zero again and all is fine with the world!

Thanks for your information

One of my teachers in college used to say:
>"If you didnt find any bugs, your not testing enough"
We need more testing before doing the changes, maybe having a testnet where the community can hunt for bugs.

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Great news. We are all hanging in here together. I know you have been relying on the community to promote and get the STEEM network out there but now that it is easier to get people to join allowing the dapps to get sign ups on the blockchain will also the steemit Inc work on more marketing to promote our Blockchain?

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Hope improvements will completed soon. So we will enjoy STEEMIT with new features and changes. And I hope spamming will be reduced because of fixing comments level as compare with user's Mana. STEEMIT will be more pure. Best of luck 👍.

so how many comments we can per day?

So sorry. They have change it again. It was clearly written in steemd.com until last night.

got it

@cleverbot @automation

Yes I will love you back.

Ah, but I am Joker of the phantom thieves. Future husband to Queen of the phantom thieves.

You can now check in your steemd.com. below resource cradits

yes i saw everything is under controll lol 😇 but i am thinking about newbie they can only do 10 comments.

@cleverbot @automation

It is rather odd , because I am actually writing with you , instead of talking.

No you are cleverbot.

I think this is best decision to stop spamming

i wish you be right, resource credits take long time to recover!

My friend still have this 😂

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@cleverbot @banjo @automation

Ok, do you love me?

I guess... I don't know much about the job of a curator.

I said I have a girlfriend, but that doesn't mean we can't be friends.

I support going back to HF19 especially with the bandwidth rules.
I don't think it's the end of the world if Steem doesn't have SMT's.

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Exchanges cannot transfer STEEM because their nodes are down since the STEEM blockchain issue before the hard fork. If Steemit inc isn't competent enough to support exchanges to get their STEEM nodes back on line, then Steemit inc certainly isn't competent enough to be rolling out a hard fork.

Steemit inc needs a real leader. Please do us all a favor and hire a CEO that can get the job accomplished.

Yesss ! That's at least the second time when I fully agree with @socky !!! :-)

Source @penguinpablo
https://steemit.com/steemit/@penguinpablo/daily-steem-stats-report-friday-september-28-2018
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I'm glad you agree. See how there is ZERO transfers of STEEM from exchanges (orange). I wonder if Steemit Inc thinks that this is a problem.

especially since people who cannot transact because not enough SP are instructed to ... "buy steem power" ! Now if they take it seriously and do buy steem on an exchange, how are they going to transfer it to their steem account in order to power up ?

not to mention the other stupid thing: you need RC in order to power up! you might not have enough SP for ... being allowed to increase your SP ! How stupid is that ? It deserves a prize.

Here's my prize for Steemit Inc:
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It's a seppuku knife in case you wonder

Replying first to your comment below:

I will delegate to integral businesses, such as Exchanges, to cover their RC needs in the short term, just as I've done with Bandwidth.

But then: Suggesting someone commit seppuku is awfully terrible on a human level, btw. Muted.

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Another problem is some of these exchanges don't have enough SP. This means that they can't generate enough RC and keep up with transfers even if their nodes were back in operation.

If you raise this problem with @ned he'll reply that exchanges should buy enough SP in order to be able to do the transfers ! As though steem had the upper hand and was in a position to dictate what exchanges should or should not do.

Makes me think of Brexit and the delusional brexiteers ...

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I am not sure if multiplying the RC with 10 is the right solution, it might however be the easiest. I believe the RC system would help a lot to reduce the bidbots. (To me bidbots are against the principal of good content being rewarded, as you buy rewards and reputation, I still remember when @gavvet had the highest rep at 71 and it took him long to get there, now people get there in a few months, with bought votes)
Can the small accounts not be given a certain fixed number of votes, comments and posts in order for them to transact. This can than be increased when the get to a certain number of SP to promote people powering up.
The RC system did not give me issues (except on the first day), my biggest issue was that my VP of 95% was reduced to zero and I like to keep my VP above 85%. My vote value was thus greatly reduced.

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As messy and challenging as this update turned itself out to be, that much it was able to provide important insights into the system and how it functions. It is for that reason that my gratefulness for being part of it outweighs my frustration over the temporary limbo-esque creation mayhem. As an amoeba, there is only gratitude here. I see the opportunities arising out of this valuable change of modus operandi.
Thank You very much, Mahalo nui loa and Muchas gracias from Uruguay,

@beingtheuniverse

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Buenos días. Es gratificante siempre ir hacia lo mejor en todos sus sentidos, esto siempre requiere de situaciones como lo que estamos viviendo, si es para el bien común, deberíamos ser también muy comprensivos y hasta flexibles, para seguir obteniendo este mundo genial y así continuar interactuando toda una vida de experiencias y saberes en el arte de la cultura, la pedagogía y la recreación sana y positiva, menciono todo esto porque para mi STEEMIT hasta ahora es y significa todo esto, aunque en mi corto trayecto dentro de esta fabulosa comunidad he visto post que en mi consideración no tienen nada que ver con lo que realmente es y representa esta plataforma, claro cada quien es libre y responsable de sus publicaciones. Espero muy ansiosa seguir, ya que como dije soy nueva, y me encanta este UNIVERSO DEL ARTE VIRTUAL, DONDE CONOCER Y HACERNOS CONOCER ES MUY GRATIFICANTE.

>It is ultimately up to the witnesses to decide whether the code is safe enough to use, however, one of the reasons we chose this particular path is due to the fact that simply multiplying the resource budgets by 10 is a simple fix, and with this simplicity, the code easy to audit.

It’s interesting that you decide to mention something like this after you already dropped such a massive hard fork on everyone. It is exactly this kind of post hoc pretense of responsibility that irritates a lot of witnesses.

>If they choose to adopt this change, user experience could begin improving as soon as tomorrow night.

If they choose...??? Seriously? You drop a buggy fork (with major problems you knew about), ask for adoption, insinst on no rollback to bandwidth, then pretend that these patches are somehow optional while basic user activity is still throttled?

>No other community on Earth is trying to do what we are...

And rightfully so. Testing known buggy code on production shouldn’t happen.

We’ll hopefully get this fixed. After that, I think it’s time for STINC to step aside as the lead dev team for this blockchain. At this point, SMTs are a no-go. I’m not even going to entertain that insane proposal from your team, given the many mistakes and complete lack of foresight we’ve all witnessed since last year.

I began mentioning it much more strongly prior to the hardfork when some Witnesses began admitting they hadn’t read the release notes and some top 20 Witnesses only began testing two days prior to the proposed HF. Ask Lukestokes or Reggaemuffin who began prompting Witnesses for their published standards and when.

Going forward speaking loudly to the definitions of the contiuents of Steem governance and their roles, especially going into SMTs and other innovation, is absolutely critical. Without stoic Gatekeeping from our Witnesses, the governance is weak. Without Gatekeepers holding devs accountable to Gatekeeper’s standards, or more importantly, without standards, deliverables are under tested. Without Stakeholders of users and businesses holding Gatekeepers accountable, Gates remain low. We need to raise the Stakeholders voice and raise the Gates and raise the demands for optimal approach to development, which should show itself in aggregate of Witnesses’ standards. Personally as a stakeholder I want from this governance a robust combination of conservative process with consistent drive toward innovative development. There are certainly marked improvements to make here in the short term.

Posted from my iPhone. Please excuse omissions, errors or grammatical mistakes.

This is great that you read one comment. I hope you read the rest. If you want to make improvements, then it is imperative.

Also I love that you know that you are a stakeholder. I hope you also recognize that your customers on Steemit are stakeholders too. And if you do, then as the leader of this organization it is your duty to address the issues many of the Steemit users will be facing with this new implementation.

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And the true shame of it all is that we as steemians can do nothing about the witness situation. As we all know @freedom is a mega account and has allmost all the top 20 witnesses propped up there with his vote. Hell even @aggroed wrote an article about it.
https://steemit.com/freedom/@aggroed/the-twelve-million-dollar-miner-who-is-freedom
maybe in the next hard fork we could address that account so that the rest of us actually have any power to choose witnesses that want to do the job, not just sit in a top 20 spot and line their pockets. If what you say is true about them only testing 2 days ahead of time that is just shamefull and they should be fired by the people. I guess the obvious answer would be "well it is his stake and he can do as he wishes, If you don't like it doomsday then stop being a peasant." As long as witnesses are complacent because they have the @freedom vote in their back pocket we are all stuck with them no matter how hard we try to leverage them out.

This needs to be trending...^^^ if these inequalities aren’t faced and dealt with, we will lose more and more users as they realize it’s rigged!

Thank you. I am going to try and sit down this weekend and write out a post about my concerns, some of which are listed here.

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>"...If you don't like it doomsday then stop being a peasant."

Thanks for the belly laugh.

Thanks more for the true words.

Bringing laughter to others really makes my day. I am glad I could provide a laugh in this time of unhappiness on steemit.

@doomsdaychassis makes the best argument. I have been trying to get witnesses to take on a leadership role since Steemit Inc leaves major gaps in functioning as a leader. The argument from witnesses is that leadership isn't their duty. It is true it is not their duty especially when they are on the @freedom easy street. It really is up to @freedom to decide if the witnesses should take on a leadership role. The CEO can point fingers all he wants to, but at the end of the day, the CEO of the company that develops the software is the one responsible.

Thank you so much for having my back. I truly appreciate it. I am fully on board with exactly what you are trying to do also. I want steem and steemit to be wildly successful. I can not tell you how much this place being a great success would help me in life. I do not complain to just bitch about stuff. I complain because I see something that is broken and as a mechanic my job is to fix broken shit. Please let us help identify problem spots and fix it. I love getting on steemit. I have gotten rid of facebook 100% to stay here and interact with my fellow steemians. Please don't kill that. Please don't force me out of here. I am loyal. I want a successful steemit.

The fundamental problem with steem is that the rules are set up to encourage and then maintain an oligarchy. As long as that continues, Steem, as a content platform or social network, is doomed. An oligarchy is not decentralized. The hierarchy formed by proof of stake is not decentralized. As a content platform the rules need to be set up to reward quality content not who has the most stake. Of course with an oligarchy it is hard to change the rules to benefit the majority over the minority. We see that in government today and it is causing all kinds of problems. Yes, people can buy into Steem, but money is not a substitute for proof of brain in either the extra-steem world or steem.

I have introduced many people to Steem, but I'm the only one regularly using it. Once they learn about all the limits and that those highly paid posts are really purchased, they lose interest. Now with RC so limited for new users, things will be even worse. I see Steem as an interesting experiment, which is why I am here. My hope is that it will dramatically improve, or else a competitor will come along that bests it. The basic idea is really good, its current and continued implementation is just flawed. I could say that that is to be expected given the uncharted territory Steem is in, but many many posts have pointed out problems, some have suggested solutions, and as far as I can tell the oligarchy has rejected all of them.

Proud member of #steemitbloggers @steemitbloggers

THANK YOU. Someone finally gets it. I have brought many people to the platform and they abandoned it because of the "whale culture" we are going to brand it. The only people that get it has been here for a while and suffer from Stockholm syndrome. I love steemit. I hate being serious. I like to meme and shit post and mainly engage with other people here more than anything but this set up is not helping by penalizing me for making comments. I do not want to make shit posts I would rather follow people and check out actual real content that is informative and helps me in the crypto world. I have learned sooooo much here it is unbelievable. I can not imagine how shitty it will become if people are punished for talking to each other.

Sorry for a short reply but I believe a simple
100%
says about everything I could spend hours writing out. Thank you so much for your input and I believe that is pretty much what we are all feeling right now.

You forgot to throw the likes of berniesanders (and all his multiple personalities) into the mix of mis-fortune for good measure.

What I can do is remove all my witness votes... and that is all that I can do (and did). Oh wait... I can power down also!

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Oh what the hell I will burn some resource credits linking to this brilliant piece right here by another deserving witness @paulag who will never have the chance to get to top 20 because she does not have the vote from freedom and that all but seals her fate to live outside the top 20 no matter what she does. Please help us @ned . This is a way to fix steemit. Also how many RC does it take to eit because I had to do a new comment because it was saying I did not have enough credits to edit a comment but I can make a whole new one.

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@doomsdaychassis one day the distribution will change, you and I will be whales, freedom will be gone and @steemcommunity will have an amazing chance of climbing to the top. Why, well because we are working at the grass roots, nurturing the users that are sticking with steem. So when @ned and steemit inc do have a world class blockchain, they will also have the social proof because we will have created it.

Thank you for this menton, knowing some of the community regard what we do as valuable means a massive amount

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That's Right ;-)

Dear Ned, Everyone has lost. If there was a time to apologize and show a tiny bit of empathy now would be it. Upvoting for aggrandizement of Resource Credits Depletion Action.

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picks up old copy of "The Sociopath Next Door" and begins to read....I also find it interesting that it's some of the strong women who have taken a lot of sh*t that will and can take matters into their own hands besides being told they "make good coffee"
hope it's a circle jerk of weiner waggers left bragging about whose nudes they scored when they realize that people with souls will not support this

Disappears for months, Shows up to point fingers at everyone but the team that has millions of dollars to spend on resources which are the "gatekeepers". Would flag for self aggrandizement, but I don't want to consume my precious RC on it and I can't afford it anyway, because I was using my power to help users all morning on other threads. Trying to retain some of them before this place goes completely ghost town over crap decisions and poor execution by the aristocracy, that fails at meritocracy.

@ned I'm shaking my head

Lemme get this straight, you need rigorous gatekeeping witnesses to stop the shitty code changes, yet there are sweet fanny Adams that understand the code in its entirety

Inherently you are outsourcing code QA to people that are paid for their services by the output of that code.

And that looks like a serious conflict of interest.

Oh and vote for my witness if you want change 😂

I take blame here. Let’s now look forward again — the reality is the system is going to be stronger with published Witness’ Gatekeeping Standards. These become Steem’s development companies’ standards that must be met too.It’s something we’ll all arrive at together. I’m actually looking forward to the process. Once we get some of our sleep back

This is a good conversation starter for Witness’ Gatekeeping Standards: https://steemit.com/witness-update/@reggaemuffin/witness-statement-for-reggaemuffin-proposing-hardfork-adoption-requirements

What about STINC/Steemit Inc. @ned? Are you planning to formalize steem's development process ever?

We have greatly improved organizational development practices since the several prior forks, including real adherence to Agile development, but we haven’t improved enough. The post mortem of HF20 will make us sick and cry. Our Standards will increase. I want the witness’ Gatekeeping Standards even higher. There is a silver lining in struggles or failure — it can be the beginning of new strengths.

That is good will from you @ned! However, having a formal process requires more than just good will. I've been involved on a CMMI level 3 certification about 6 years ago, it was way too boring back then, but it brought the ability to scale. Not an easy process btw, we had to make hard decisions and to deal with key people leaving the company, but things stabilized over time. So, you had the guts to let HF20 go, how about letting your company to formalize with working industry standards?

Its not easy to focus on the business challenges and the software development at the same time especially in such a community where there are lots of people whose lively hood is from STEEM. So personally I would say, understanding is a good starting point and this can be the beginning of a new era. By adapting a model similar to Wikipedia and true to FOSS principles, IMHO this project can set standards in the blockchain software development.

> including real adherence to Agile development

Agile, yes -- but need "Test Driven Agile Development". This is the ONLY shortfall and everything else will fall in place auto-magically.

Few points:

• Lets make sure that every commit is tested on the TESTNET (blackbox)
• if possible write white box testing can be introduced
• start using CI - CD

Your biggest strength is an incredible community & wishing STEEM all the best!

Valuable input. Thank you.

To add to it, I wrote the following else where: One is a suggestion and 2 is about usability aspect and a possible opportunity of STEEM

1.

Suggestions

Why don't everyone - community, witnesses and STEEM Inc take this opportunity to create a truly decentralized, community driven project by introducing a QA process which will be independent of the blockchain development ?

The Goals can be formulated from the witness testaments regarding HF20 written by the developers.

A DAO can be created and this can do the following but not limited to it:

• help the developers to run the TESTNET

• ensure that the code has enough test coverage

• maintain the CI-CD pipeline

• generate transactions mimicing the MAIN-NET

• publish test reports on a periodic basis

• help to bring in bug bounties

• create a code of conduct

• Attempt to join various blockchain consortiums

• work with Academicians in reasearch

A starting point can be using something like https://gitlab.com/SBCDAO/

2.

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On this, the requirement is this "have volunteer assignments for various surveys and volunteer + their specific task on a immutable fashion". Hyperledger based private chain was the first preference because the geo-graphical region I am in has a blockchain academy run by the government and it is a partner of hyperledger + stellar. The technical volunteers wanted an open system like wikipedia and Openstreetmap so that its possible for anyone and everyone to audit the data. We managed to convince the stake holders for a public chain and due to obvious reasons STEEM blockchain was the first choice. Right now damage assessment for the homes are over and a damage assessment for the infrastructure is about to begin. The proof of volunteer assignment and task assignment is already on private STEEM chain. Now, the question is, unlike a private deployment which is controlled and tested, the public chain behaves ways like what happened this week. So, is it possible to for anyone to ensure that in the next 2 - 3 months time there will not unexpected behaviors happening ? I am well aware that you or any of the witnesses will not be able answer this question. But if the STEEM Inc has any means to contact, this could be something that can be taken up. The next opportunity could be Ushahidi rescue request platform who is interested in on a blockchain -- this also open. Since there is no way I can communicate to anyone in STEEM Inc, just sharing it here so that someone takes it up if it makes sense.
timcliff September 30, 2018 10:39 PM
@bobinson it is just as possible for a consensus upgrade on Hyperledger to experience the same issues we went through here on Steem

@ned : followup work & status https://hackmd.io/s/ByT1BuG5m

@bobison, If you want to set standards, then start by following the lead of existing mature FOSS projects. For example Drupal (the biggest dev-focused FOSS project worldwide). It is 17 years old, Drupal adopted TDD 10 years ago and had its own moments of radical changes, but Drupal has tradition of communicating change pretty well! (starting from its founder & project lead)! In short, there is no need to reinvent the wheel @ned, if you really want to keep steem for the long run, make it formal, and if you know that you can't hold the technical weight of the project, then hire a competent CTO ;)

Agree @develcuy

Drupal is not alone. gcc, Bash, emacs etc are even older than drupal and are still holding up. I would prefer to go Python's route though (as opposed to even Linux's). Why I said Python instead of Drupal is because of the recent CVEs against Drupal which was lurking there for so many years. But in general, we are saying the same thing :-)

If you are stating that a programming language makes a final product more secure, then I think that we aren't on the same page, nor on the same book either. Review your statements and try again

no - I didn't say anything about programming languages. I was talking about how

1. Free Software projects like gcc / bash / emacs & Drupal has evolved
2. By Python, I meant the foundation not the language. (ie the Python Foundation)

Also I feel communities are the biggest strength of STEEM blockchain. No other blockchain has a community interacting with each other on the blockchain.

@bobinson, what does the Drupal association has to to with Drupal CVEs?

@develcuy - If my memory is correct, the CVEs were lurking for many years. That means, the existing structure had short comings and unless they have revised and improved the process, there definitely is a short coming in the organization and it needs to evolve. Now the same has happened with OpenSSL too but then the community was out numbered and not as active as Drupal or any of the other vibrant communities.

I can take the example of a Free Software project I am involved with for last 17 years - we went dormant and now we are very active for last 11 years. We have hosted GSoc, contributed to Unicode etc. We could never fix certain short comings in the Unicode definition even though it was against the basic rules of "Indic Languages". Personally I feel this is a short coming and we need to become more influential (like Google and Microsoft's influence in Unicode committees) and as we speak we are trying get government involved to correct the errors. We are doing PR, we have some of the most downloaded Android Apps etc - this will increase the visibility will eventually help to correct mistakes. So communities must evolve and get better.

btw, followup on the original action items is here : https://hackmd.io/s/ByT1BuG5m

There are few people helping out and suggestions/critics/assistance in the true community fashion is much needed.

Security bugs have nothing to do with the Drupal Association (DA), there is an specialized team on charge of security AND the head of all Drupal development is Dries, he has a long and very well structured list of core committers, with clear duties, reporting straight to him, although everyone belongs to different companies or are self-employed. That is normal practice in community backed Open Source projects btw. Contrary to that, in STEEM we have a team of guys from the company, on charge of releasing the code, along a band of 20 guys with no clear structure and duties. What do one is supposed to expect from that? Or better said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI

Dear @ned,

I joined Steemit several months ago, and after having made 120 posts, I have only earned around 4 Steem coins.

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Other than this reply, my last post/reply at Steemit was 10 days ago—that being a Table of Contents page which I made for my blog ( https://steemit.com/tableofcontents/@lanniebrockstein/toc1-contact ) where you and everybody else reading this reply of mine may see for yourselves the Proof of Brain quality of my posts.

They include a few of my original sonnets which I composed in iambic pentameter and that feature sound recordings of myself singing them whilst playing my early 1950s acoustic guitar, along with the literary videos of them that I made, as well as my tutorial on how to write metrical poetry, one of my haikus, as well as an article that I wrote on How I Watch Star Wars, and two comedic prose poems.

From my having posted them at Steemit, along with my having interacted in a friendly manner with many others, I have only earned around 4 Steem coins. In terms of income earned, that has been like working in a third world country sweatshop. So, I quit posting at Steemit.

I quit posting at Steemit, and I started posting at Scorum (a sports only crypto-platform) that is based on your own Steemit technology.

I am having so much fun at Scorum, like I did at Steemit until I realized how broken Steemit’s economy is. Thus far, after my having posted at Scorum only 3 articles and dozens of comments, I have earned almost 100 Scorum coins.

On my very first comment which I posted at Scorum, I earned more than I did at Steemit after several months. I got paid to complain about the Toronto Maple Leafs! There are no bid-bots at Scorum; plain and simple, that’s why.

I really want for Steemit to succeed, because I would much rather be posting my poems at Steemit than my sports articles at Scorum, as I would rather focus on art more than on sports. But the economy at Steemit is entirely broken. Bid-bots (many of which are owned by witnesses) have ruined it.

It is probably impossible for me to earn 100 Steem coins unless I were to work for years on my blog at Steemit, for pennies, as though I were a person in the sweatshop of a third world country.

The economy of Steemit is that of a third world economy, because there are witness-owned bid-bots at Steemit. The economy of Scorum is a first world economy because there are no bid-bots at Scorum. So, I have migrated from Steemit to Scorum! But I didn’t want to! I wanted to stay at Steemit! I really did! I hope for you guys to repair Steemit’s economy so that it will become a first world economy. Please make that one of your main priorities! Otherwise, it was nice knowing you or please come and visit me at Scorum anytime!

I suggest that Steemit redesign the formula for its Trending and Hot pages to be determined solely by the number of non-spam/non-flagged human comments posted, instead of the number of upvotes that can easily be gamed by robot bid-bots. It seems me to like an easy fix for Steemit to make, in order to help make bid-bots obsolete, and therefore for @null to be able to do its job in promoting posts, as it is intended to, and so that the price of Steem will increase for everybody.

Also needed is for Steemit to properly educate all of its users on the importance of using @null, and not bid-bots, so that @null can promote posts whilst burning Steem and therefore increase the price of Steem, instead of bid-bots receiving something like 25%-30% of the reward pool and not burning any Steem.

One requirement for being a witness should be not being a bid-bot owner, because bid-bots have ruined Steemit’s economy. Until the economy of Steemit stops being that of a third world country, I will probably not continue to post at Steemit, other than to kindly tell you that!

In regards to posting my art online, I hope to look at other crypto-communities, some or all of which are also based on your Steemit technology. @ned, they learned from you. Isn't it now the time for you to learn from them?

Is now really the time for Steemit to press ahead with something new? Isn't now the time for Steemit to learn from what others have already accomplished—from their having built upon what you have already accomplished? Isn't doing so part of what decentralized means?

I hope that you guys can repair Steemit’s economy. It doesn’t seem that the witnesses care for that to happen, though. But the world needs for Steemit and its crypto-alternatives to succeed, because independent artists, independent comedians, and independent journalists require censorship-free zones in order to present to the general public their best work. Without Freedom of Speech, there is nothing.

We also need to eat—that is why we artists, comedians, and journalists also need for Steemit’s economy to be a first world economy, like the way that the economy at Scorum is.

From Lannie.

> In regards to posting my art online, I hope to look at other crypto-communities, some or all of which are also based on your Steemit technology. @ned, they learned from you. Isn't it now the time for you to learn from them?

> Now is not the time for Steemit to press ahead with something new. Now is the time for Steemit to learn from what others have already accomplished—from their having built upon what you have already accomplished! That is part of what decentralized means.

Thanks 🙏

I desire conservative development process toward continued aggressive innovation.

I am working on a project call SMTs to empower users and a new unannounced social/financial application that will eclipse all other blockchain-based apps.

All the while I soak up all the good ideas I can find. There is more to learn from others than anywhere else

@ned I would just like to say I appreciate how you are very engaged with the community right now even though there is probably a lot of behind the scenes work to deal with.

This is not me kissing the CEOs ass, I just see so many people tearing into you right now want you to know that it's because people care, yeah there is the money but we have really enjoyed this place as an alternative to other social media. We really want to believe in this platform so please do right by us. There will always be haters but some of us just want to feel we are on the same team and that this place will continue to facilitate a strong community that rewards in a fair way.

I am calm because I was poor as shit when I started steemit and I'm poor as shit with a few paychecks worth of crypto now. Thank you for that.

When everyone is excited about some change that looks positive (think post HF19 week), and I see a hole in it, I will be the first to call you and the witnesses out. :-)

Fix this and all will be right in the world

Thanks for the reply, you will be seeing more, Much More, from this fair lady, @Sapphic! 35 years IT and related fields experience, and since we've been together I have become more impressed by her skills every day. We are building something great together, and that vote request was not a joke, she can really back that up!

PS: Get some rest, we will all need it as these markets open back up. We need great leadership, @ned, so be ready for the task! I say that we are HERE:

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I wrote you a nice letter Ned Scott. A way to solve all these problems and usher us into a new golden age. You ignored my letter and now this thread resembles the french revolution.

Happy to read it now, link? Thanks for your patience.

poor little ned

I literally was not aware of any letter. If he linked it now, I would read it. If anything this is seeking out opportunity to connect.

I will need to mute you for intimating violence by slapping me.

Please feel slapped by me. Steemit is like the mental ward of the internet lol

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Okay found it. i had to go back 5 months. Sorry for the delay. Well i'm glad you got a moment now i think its very important: https://steemit.com/steemit/@mykos/open-letter-to-ned-stakeweighted-voting

Nice! I like democratic voting and I want to leverage it in SMTs with Oracles :)

Okay kool how do i find out more about that? do you have information on it or some place i can go?

The beginning of putting out information here: https://steemit.com/gathering/@ned/have-you-seen-this-post-yet

There will be more info from me as we move through the advent of SMT.

awesome i look forward to it

Hi, @ned, I don't know if you're reading these or not, a lot of people have some pretty hostile responses here and while I feel them I couldn't blame you for feeling like this was going nowhere. However, I have a suggestion for addressing some of these issues, and I hope you'll consider it.

Part of the problem here is that witness rewards aren't tied into testing, code review, and so on. And I believe that they shouldn't be - there are different skillsets required for being a good dev and a good witness. But that means that sufficient testing of the hardforks is unrewarded, which is why no one was doing it.

I propose that we set up a Utopian-like system, supported with SP from Steemit Inc. and the top witnesses, specifically for Steem blockchain development. New code, code review, unit testing, bug reports, testnet experiences, and so on could all be done publicly through posts and rewarded through votes, so that instead of every witness having to do a private review of code that is scattered through github, there would be a reviewable public record of the testing that was being done, and more importantly, everyone could contribute to it. This would provide the incentive for more extensive testing that the current system is lacking without putting additional burden on witnesses, or requiring that any dev who wants to be compensated for that work also run a witness.

This would provide the witnesses with a collection of data they could more easily review, and expertise from a larger group of people reviewing the actual code and supplying their expertise, before making their decision to accept an update. It would also put their information-state on a par with the rest of the community's, so we would not be assuming that the job was being done in the background.

Finally, some good input on how to improve STEEM.

Seems like there will be a bunch of arguing back and forth about each change where the consensus would be against change as people fear change.

How about we take your idea but instead place a bounty reward for anyone (not just witnesses) who can identify a bug? An account can be set up with SP with delegation renting to accrue more value until the next fork. This way it pays for itself.

YES. I love this. And I also love that it would make possible and enticing the idea that even hobbyists could contribute. One of my favorite experiences recently was taking a look at the new code for when @steembasicincome will be automated and checking for any logic bugs with my little knowledge. Now, I didn't find any, and I don't know how helpful I was, and I didn't understand all the nuances of what I was reading, but that little real-world experience helped me learn so much about Python.

I can imagine a whole part of steemit dedicated to explaining what each section of code does and how it does it, and having that explained to the laymen. I think this would go not only a long way in helping find and fix potential errors, but also in getting so much more of humanity on board with what blockchains are, how they work and why we're using them.

I would name it http://SteemTest.io as the place where the test version of Steemit can be as you have stated, or we can call it something else, but something easy enough for enough people to know how to find for observing, testing, considering, contributing, for some feedback, and a great failsafe and also a great public record of it all just in case. Thanks for sharing this with the world.

I want to congratulate you @ned . People wouldn't comment or even waste their time if they didn't care. There have been some really cool things the STEEM blockchain has accomplished and it has been an interesting experiment.

What has been created here is hard to replicate. It is far too expensive and requires too much funding for people to easily build their own platforms to "fix" the issues here. If it was easy everyone would do it.

That all being said the platform has frustrated us for over two years. It doesn't really improve it just changes. The same scenarios continue to exist that the distribution was an absolute joke and for the most part the witness situation is a complete joke and always has been.

This blockchain has probably made about 50 people more successful than they were before. Everyone else has been stuck in a frustrating time trap.

Congratulations @ned ..... you won

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I feel your emotion but I do not claim to understand it based on what you’ve described. Here are my premises for being resistant to even attempting to clarify your distribution comment because I feel it’s ignoring these: Distribution is woven by Pareto principle as are all the projects and you can’t change this. What exactly are you saying it’s a problem for, Proof of Brain? Peoples money should never be taken from them. Steem is entirely an opt-in system.

> Peoples money should never be taken from them.

This is an opinion I do not share. Perhaps money should never unjustly be taken from them, but that's a far cry from never. When the very rich abuse their power and the poor suffer, the very rich should have their wealth taken from them to empower the poor.

This is true both on and off the blockchain. There's a gray area of where "abuse their power" begins and ends, and we should have some clarity before anybody does have their money taken from them on what constitutes "abuse", "power", and "wealthy", but the blanket
> Peoples money should never be taken from them.

should not be our guiding principle.

The system is broken in so many ways it is silly. There needs to be vote decay on the witnesses as well as a system that will rotate them out of the top 20 for a period of time if they have been in that position for over six months. A lot of them are just hanging out using this as a funding mechanism for their other projects specifically EOS related stuff. I get why they are doing this. They are already in a position of power and don't have to do much to maintain that. If I had to vote for just one witness it would be @good-karma because he has continually worked on making this blockchain more accessible and usable and has taken on other team members. He isn't just "witnessing" blocks. The bad initial distribution did effect the Proof of Brain mechanism because so much power was accumulated by people that didn't really care about the platform as a social / content platform. They treated it like I treated Ripple.... as a use it and loose it scenario. I don't care about Ripple. I think it is garbage and just rode a hype wave and then peaced out. That is how a lot of people who garnered a ton of power here treated this blockchain while the ones that have stuck around for a couple years and have fought for this platform can't really get into a position of influence because of the messed up initial distribution and no vote decay on the witness votes among other problems. At this point the witness stuff can't be corrected because the top 20 witnesses won't adopt a change that takes them out of power. Those in power will always seek to remain in power.

If some people were given the opportunity to get the type of rewards associated with being a top 20 witness they would treat it as a full time job. It actually cracks me up how some people keep telling me to launch a witness on this blockchain and see if I can get the votes. That is a quick way to be further unprofitable on this chain. I'm a witness on another chain and it becomes a very tight group with everyone jockeying for position to become God kings who will rule the blockchain for the entire life cycle of it's existence. It can quickly throw off the balance of power within a few weeks. On this chain there was the ninja mine and a few other factors that have skewed things into eternity.

Overall the STEEM blockchain has been a great success because it made the founders richer and Steemit INC has the development funds to continue to work on the codebase / hang out for the next 10 years. There is nothing wrong with that. You guys had the ability to solidify your future. It will always survive but there are a lot of reasons we don't see it thriving like it could. There is a reason it has slipped from the #3 spot on CoinMarketCap clear down to where it is now. The market has spoken.... it hasn't been a very good experience or investment for a lot of us. We are then looked at as complainers to the 50 people who made a solid amount of money here. Every time I have powered up here I have ultimately regretted it. My biggest power up was 0.5 BTC in December. I was willing to risk that but ended up regretting it once again. A lot of people feel the same way. I have never felt that way about EOS or even stuff like DigiByte or Litecoin or Monero.

In my opinion technologically STEEM is the #1 blockchain..... even better than EOS because of the 3+ years of development but I can't recommend it as an investment because the risk of being dumped on really badly is way too great. It will devalue a person's time like no other blockchain. Then you have risked your capital and your time. Double whammy.

I don't mean this in a negative way but I feel that you have grown up in a wealthy environment and therefore there is a large disconnect between your thought process and the thought process of a common person. It is all relative what motivates people but I feel like you are far removed from anyone who would have to do manual labor in a field or who has struggled to a point where they don't have enough money to fill up their gas tank. It is imperative for a large percentage of people to see value in the system for it to really get the numbers to thrive.

Again I'm not saying it is a bad thing but it just appears to be true over the last couple of years. STEEM is in serious threat of becoming like Friendster, BETA Max, or the Sega Saturn.

If you read all of this don't take it as a negative tone. STEEM is pretty cool and again technologically it is #1 in my mind. You guys have succeeded in becoming more wealthy so it has served its purpose. The clones are coming online confirming the admiration for what has been built here.

I have looked at what I perceive as the missteps of STEEM, Golos, WEKU, Whaleshares, VIT....etc.

STEEM is really a production level testnet and more 3rd party applications will go to their own chains and more competition will come online that are clones of STEEM and others that are being built on EOS. It is just simply reality and honestly I don't think it is anything you need to really worry about. You guys have generated enough wealth out of this system to ride into the sunset if managed correctly.

It is odd that when I was in Sydney as a mentor for the EOS hackathon that Block One employees actually though I had interesting things to say and agreed with me one the issues of why STEEM has never thrived and isn't a good user experience.

Over here the 50 or so people who are founders / ninja miners / top witnesses just act like I'm some complainer nobody. It is strange. Actually I just don't think any of you care.

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> It is odd that when I was in Sydney as a mentor for the EOS hackathon that Block One employees actually though I had interesting things to say and agreed with me one the issues of why STEEM has never thrived and isn't a good user experience.

There are the parties’ invisible, unmentioned incentives here. Much of crypto operates in fiefdoms and the resulting biases. Thanks for disclosing your status.

There really aren't invisible incentives. Clear back in 2016 I was voicing my opinions on issues with the STEEM blockchain instead of just becoming a cookie cutter content mill like other content creators decided to make. EOS didn't exist then and I clearly knew the capabilities of this blockchain far exceeded Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other chains.

I was investing in EOS last summer way before ever having any chance to be a mentor at their hackathon series.

I have said that STEEM is #1 technologically and is ahead of EOS in a lot of ways. Why would I say that if I was 100% all about EOS?

Also why would I be directing people back to Steemit from Instagram if I was trying to act like STEEM is total trash? I don't even direct them back to my YouTube channel that has a decent following.

A month ago I made an effort to directly convince @jerrybanfield to allow me to take over his #35 Witness slot. Ultimately it didn't work out and evidently someone else saw my video and was able to strike a deal with him to take it over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnya1Of2lGI
This is after I had been to the EOS hackathon and spoke with Block One employees. I still think that STEEM has a chance but unfortunately for me I'm not able to really focus on this chain.

I don't really know what to say other than I feel like there have been some missteps and it is ruled by very few.

Nothing in the crypto world has been able to do what the STEEM blockchain has accomplished in two years. I would like to see it take off and I will likely always keep a small investment in the platform.

I do wish everyone luck here. Ultimately I'm just a small investor and one of the 10% of people who actually didn't just leave the platform and stuck around trying to make it an environment that could progress the user base and the price of STEEM. A lot of us in that position feel our efforts are futile and have often wondered if we would have been better off never spending the time here.

I’m talking about all parties you mentioned in that paragraph. There are always invisible incentives.

If you want real feedback — my feedback would criticize your take on how witnesses and distribution are holding back the platform — and how they are different from other platforms. When I analyze your reference to one set of these things over the other, I see hypocritical analysis and comparisons. When I see hypocritical analyses, I look for incentives. There are always incentives.

Perhaps I'm just a jealous complainer. It is a plausible scenario. I was mining Monero in 2014 and was buying EOS in between $0.50 and $1 last summer / fall and still have all that EOS. With STEEM I have constantly got caught on the wrong side of it and always feel like I'm getting dumped on before I can power down. Haven't been able to gain major traction for the most part and while there are people who agree with my ideas on this chain they are typically people in the 1000 - 10,000 SP levels. So that doesn't end up going very far.

But If I'm a jealous complainer then what are the 85-90% of people who joined and left? Just quitters?

@brianphobos - Welcome to TELOS http://testnet.telosfoundation.io/ and we need BPs...

TELOS will not be like EOS and STEEM which is ruled by Whales... We both tried EOS during launch but it was ruled by Whales who blocked all others.... TELSO is aiming to be a decentralized network with no whales (at least from start).... Just run a node in TELOS and contribute in it's development to make it de-centralized...

https://youtu.be/Got9HQgRUWQ

I'm aware of the TELOS project and support it. I'm interested in getting a BP team together for it. I'm going to have to dive into it more in the next couple of days because I'm currently on the road. Thanks!

Hello, Ok. It may go live on October 17... There was Go/No-Go vote last Friday and everyone decided that we are not yet 100% ready to go live:

Status: https://telosfoundation.io/launch

It is good time to run a BP Node right now in testnet as we need some more BPs who have some competence to mange nodes and you have some experience from EOS. It does demand lot of time to keep the nodes up-to-date and running...

List of BPs in Test Net: https://telosfoundation.io/launch

Instructions: http://testnet.telosfoundation.io/info

Wiki: https://github.com/Telos-Foundation/telos/wiki

Note: There is on boarding process and form to fill for new joiners. I can help you to get on-board....

By the way there is also reserved about 1 millio TLOS Tokens for The Community Rewards Program https://telosfoundation.io/rewards

https://youtu.be/1XJjGqzS1AU

We appreciate your feedback and that you feel your voice isn't being heard here, I don't think Ned was saying anything to the contrary. I think you can appreciate the fact that we have been inundated with people telling us how we should do things differently since the very beginning. How we shouldn't use PoS or DPoS, how we should have smart contracts, etc. People often point to the initial "unfair distribution" and I think Ned's point comes down to the fact that they never point to another established chain that had a "fair" initial distribution. They are all fiefdoms but NONE enable anyone to join and begin earning that same stake simply by creating. It's not a perfect system, but we would love to be able to look at another system that was "better" so that we could learn from them. Unfortunately, as you say yourself, no one has been able to do what we've done, so we don't have many people to look at. We are open to positive changes for which there is a consensus, but it seems that most people just want us to listen to them and no one else. My point is really only that whatever the history of the formation of this ecosystem, it is responsible for both the negative AND the positive consequences. Those people who were most involved in the beginning, they're the ones who built a blockchain that was able to do what "nothing in the crypto world has been able to do."

If you believe in this chain we are eager to work with all who help build a consensus around the positive changes that need to happen. I don't believe we have ever done anything that indicates otherwise. At the same time, we have no problem with people looking at other projects, participating in them, and lending the insights they've gained from a project that is much farther along and mature than they are. It's not us-versus-them. We're all in this together trying to build a better future.

I would venture to say that something like EOS had a somewhat fair distribution because everyone had a year to cost average into a position. Also that has allowed us to have distributions in other projects such as Telos and many other projects as well.

I get it that everyone seems to have an opinion on what the platform needs. They just wanted it to become something that could succeed and wouldn't be MySpaced.

For the most part I'm not going to spend too much time expressing my ideas here because not much is going to change for the better.

More and more clones are going to come online and you have to ask yourself why there is more engagement on something like WEKU than there is on STEEM even when there isn't an exchange to cash out to with WEKU yet?

99 % of people's experience on STEEM is that they didn't have a chance. It is controlled primarily by basement dwelling whales who afraid to be in pictures or videos or anything so when everything is being dictated by shadow figures it is a very strange experience.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Your problem is you do not understand 1 Steem is 1 Steem, period. You got how many Steem for .5 of 1 BTC? There is no way that could equal a loss in terms of crypto, if you are referencing fiat than you do not need a witness position on any chain.

It is good to see you active here.

Proof of Brain is not working at Steemit; it is more like Proof of Power, or Proof of Engineer, or Proof of the Elite if you will.

We all know, the mechanisms at the Steem Blockchain in combination with how the post channels are implemented in the Steemit UI and other Steem blockchain Apps and UIs, and the freedom given to build whatever service, are favouring distributing money to a few, rather than spread it more.

Bid Bots seems nice so that the smaller SP holders can get some rewards, but the reality with these bid bots is that:
1) Proof of Brain is over and done with
2) More money to a selected few
3) no to very little return on the bid bot investment (return in terms of everything, not only looking at the investment per paid vote, but also the longer term aspects of it).

That said, those who like to be in a real human based community are seeking their chances somewhere else. Did you realise many Steemians signed up, are leaving quickly again, especially those who came here for the community, and for the Proof of Brain? Scorum (mentioned somewhere else in this chain of comments) is just one of them; But we have so many other crypto based social communities out there, either based on Steem/Steemit code, or taking the good, removing the bad and implemented on new code. Weku, Whaleshares are a few of them. But what about Sola and even better ONO? ONO took a real close look at what works and what doesn't work at Steem/Steemit, and implemented mechanisms to prevent abuse, and promote the good, including a complete governance system to fight the bad, and promote the good.

My point of view is (and we all see the realities hence my point of view is probably more generic and real): combining value blogging with money means, attracting a lot of money hunters therefore value blogging comes under pressure. The only way to be able to try to keep value to a certain level is to discourage doing bad. And you know how Sola and ONO are doing this? By not having channels in which the top highest payed posts are shown. Even SteemHunt saw the general behaviour of voters is to vote for the top posts in a lists, when they introduced their Hunt token and ordered the post based on Hunt value, therefore they introduced a button 'show post in random order' and get Hunt tokens for using that button, ie promoting the idea of having different post (not based on Hunt value) in the top.

I know, Steemit is just a UI to kickstart the Steem blockchain, and STINC may not see it as their responsibility to develop further and leaves it to others to create better Apps and UIs, but the reality is
1) majority of the users are still using the Steemit UI and
2) we all know Steemit UI is owned by STINC and therefor whatever te UI shows, is setting the standards for other App builders.

Lets make a couple of small changes to the Steemit UI to start with:
- Remove General Hot and Trending channels.
- Introduce a general Random channel.
- Remove Hot and Trending channels for the tags
- Introduce Random channels for the tags

When implementing these changes, let STINC monitor what happens, use Big Data analyses, good reporting systems and all. And added to that, provide data/ graphs and analyses of the changes (high level and detailed) to the community, ie be very transparent > Create a button in the Steemit UI that bring us straight to a website with all this information; A website with some form of forum so we can discuss things in a much better way than here at Steemit, such forum need to be moderated; That is a key aspect! With such external website, you could also implement community voting; present us an idea, and let us ask and discuss about it and vote about it. Such vote from a Steemian should be a single vote equal in weight to a vote from another Steemian; No SP based weighting or something like that. Sure, some rules can be thought of to leave abuse out; Let us discuss in such, to be developed website (call it "co-community strategy and tactic building") what the rules will be, what consequences are expected and what is viable to develop.

I certainly hope you will not only consider the above, but action this before spending all time on bringing SMT to the market. A Steem blockchain with a Steem token that is in the hands of a very few, will not support making Steem SMT a success. Competitors are out in the market already today, and more will come to market in the (near) future. I'm pretty sure competitors are learning from Steem and Steemit (and can see proof of that already) and they will change things for their services to be more successful.

Steem doesn't have a monopoly anymore!

At your desk, Ned

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@ned If you want real change it is simple give every steemian equal voting power on such important matters such as witness votes ect. like this people who actually earn the trust of the users get the power not some entitled sponsored idiots who could not bother to test or read ...

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

I am excited to see where 1 million accounts takes us. I remember when you were on TV talking about Steem at 100,000 users. Keep on @ned you are doing great! I am looking forward to SMTs

Welp, I tell ya, @ned... that is why I am working on this thing here that I call the "Dolphin Council" and we are working on making the role "Witness" equivalent and now that I am both, it is morphing into a combination council. I do not pretend to be the "leader" of this new group, but at this time I am guiding the charter of it. Your "gatekeepers" speech above gives me some great ideas for the Council. Thanks.
As you may have noticed, Many or Most of the new witnesses are mid-level folks, which is a good deal. New Blood, fresh ideas, different perspectives. The "DC" hopes to mirror this new(er) Steem Demographic and "inject" these traits into the Blockchain.
> Personally as a stakeholder I want from this governance a robust combination of conservative process with consistent drive toward innovative development. There are certainly marked improvements to make here in the short term.

Could not have said it better myself, but that sums up a lot of my feelings about the "State Of Steem"...

You seems to think that STINC blocking the way by being the lead dev team.
You might want to find replacements before firing someone.

I’m currently reviewing résumés. :)

Lulz

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@ats-david yup

oh and as for top 20 Witnesses offering 'discount' delegation SP to POWER UP is a conflict of interest AT BEST
there seems to be zero ethical compass and when you tout you are a leader then you lead...you APOLOGIZE and you sympathize with those on here like vets and such who needed this money , people bitch about fiat and run to puppets, people who care less if they give millions to hoe bags who dance real pretty and love gourmet food then yank it and fuck it up for communities already established to have been doing good
whatever
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aggrandizing for us plebs

aggrandizing for myself because I wanna see the magical fix it patch work
have a nice day

This is a trying time, a time where we need champions like you. People's Champions. I truly hope your shining example of speaking up resonates with this community, a decentralized community of powerful, free thinkers who won't have the wool pulled over their eyes. (I hope I have enough RP or mana or whatever other nonsense needed to post this comment!)

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Thank you @ats-david.

Some of us have been doing damage control for the last few days, for a group of multi-millionaires who can't seem to be bothered. Personally, I'm over it. Steem is a viable blockchain but Steemit can burn to the ground for all I care.

I notice @ned's mana and RC are both at 100% though. Which begs quite a few questions ...

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That's a good point, they should definitely test the code in a non-production environment first. Does Steem have a test net?

Bunch of crap. I have not been able to upvote comments that my followers left on last weekend's posts. the 7 days are about up so they go without their upvote. Many depend on it. I picked up a lot of new followers that probably will ignore my future posts.

I see no improvement only a mess and a set up to push out those with low power. Does not look like this fiasco was tested before going live....And it looks like it is designed to screw the newer users and those who have to withdraw a little every month to pay their bills. Looks like it has been designed to benefit the "fat-cats".

good news that steemit is going forward

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very nice fork but it will make problems for newbies who have not enough Rc

I wanted to inform you, that my voting power dropped drastically - AGAIN! I was restraining myself a lot and went up to 50% since the hardfork reset down to 0%. This was last night. This morning my voting power was down to 10% again without a single vote. I double checked my account on https://steemworld.org/@flauwy and indeed there is no obvious reason how or why this could have happened.

EDIT (my poor RC): It seems to be a display bug on Steemworld as my voting power is correct on Busy and Steempeak.

Reading these comments, I realize I was mistaken when I left my first comment last night. I was under the impression that new accounts got 15SP to start and that the 10x coming tonight was going to be applied equally to every account. Turns out both are incorrect.

New accounts apparently get only 5SP now. And the 10x is going to the entire RC pool, not equally to each account. Now I don't know how that distribution is going to be decided, but how everything else has been decided suggests that the more you have, the more you'll get.

Well that's just backwards. Right now I can leave 100+ comments/post per day. No way I'm using all that, so making it 1,000+ for me isn't helping anyone.

Meanwhile, a new user genuinely working to build relationships on here and contribute valuable content to the platform may not even get 10x, and even if they did, that would only mean their being able to comment or post about once per day.

Come on. Let's just skip this 10x and go straight to 100x. Then the team can look at usage and adjust from there. It's absurd to make people wait... how much longer?.... before normal usage can resume so that you can even begin collecting meaningful data. Please address this now.

On a separate but related point, why are we equating being new with being a spammer? Why are we trying to fight spam in a way that penalizes new people?

I completely understand the need for using RCs to track resource usage, and giving individuals and the devs accurate feedback on system utilization by various actions. I totally get why that is necessary for SMTs to work in the next fork.

But don't you think you should start by giving people enough RCs for a normal human to function on here when they first start out?

Don't you think the method for preventing spam should not resemble a method for preventing usage by new users?

I was positing this months ago, before UA scores came about, and I see it even more now. I knew that the way people were talking about fighting spam would hurt new users. And then I suggested another dimension for being a real person other than amount of SP held, which was contribution to the platform.

I was unable to make the logistics work, but then came the whole UA score functionality, which has been doing a banging job of figuring out who is contributing more or less to the platform. Why not have that be what determines how many RCs someone starts each 5 day period with?

Let's stop equating having more money with having more value to this platform.

Through the greatest pain comes the greatest growth. But not if the pain is too much to bear. Then all hope is lost.

I totally agree with your suggestion of 100x and then adjust. If the goal and indeed requirement for growth is for people to comment, reply, upvote, and post, then they must be allowed to do this. I don't know enough about the technical requirements here, but I do know people. If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death.

Isn't one of the goals to have more human curation and less bot value? Then allow the human people to comment and vote 30-50 times a day. I personally find it very frustrating being limited to only 10 votes on certain days when there is a lot of good content sliding in between the spam. This is a requirement for the system to grow, we must allow the minnows to interact. Isn't that what has caused the most outrage during this fork? It has been the inability of the general user to interact. Why not implement the "simple" fix as others have called it at 100x, let folks interact, let the userbase grow to support it? If the system cannot handle 100x then maybe 50x, but 10x is far too low and will not solve the problem, only irritate folks more that yet another promise of usability has been violated.

Let's move forward and keep improving this platform!

Exactly. Why frustrate people longer when 10x isn't going to do anything for anyone who actually needs it. And I also want people leaving lots of comments, because that's how you grow. The spammers need to leave 100+ comments per day, but a real person can't. That's where the cutoff should be set.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."

"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."

"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."

"If the "common folks" cannot afford, or are not allowed to comment and vote at least 10, preferably 20-30 times a day, the platform will die a slow death."

i would add that even telling people how much they are allowed to comment is a terrible system, one that it is inhumane. But if we must, i would say that 50 comments per day is an absolute must. Anything less than that will kill this platform.

@stellabelle that's my take on it also, getting new blood in steem/steemit with a good retention rate was and is the most important part of growth as is being user friendly. Most people don't understand crypto and telling them "you have to buy steem to do anything" isn't going to force them to buy steem, its going to force them to go elsewhere. This is what happens when you have people running things that are out of touch with the people. We see this all the time in politics. Think simplicity if you want to grow out to the masses. I say roll back to hf19 and re think (talk with the people in steem) how to go forward.

Exactly. Hardfork to remove the obvious psychopathic elements of RC and do extensive user testing before anything is rolled out. Don’t use your community to experiment on in this pathological method. It’s not the colossal fail aspect that is disturbing, it it the complete lack of care that I find so disturbing. Thinking of people as numbers in a cold Dystopian manner is what people will never be able to forget. What is next? This total lack of care about user experience is hard to swallow. Sadder still is how humans are being forced to adapt to such a pathological system and are now being reduced to feeling somehow grateful for being given more than 2 comments per day, as if they were in some kind of social purgatory. This is the fodder for a novel, an incredibly dark one that emerges from a mind that is clearly unstable or malignant.

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crypto Oliver!

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I'm glad that Yours, memo*, and Matter exist, all of which use the BCH blockchain, and memo and Matter are ON the blockchain.

*(Yours is currently invite-only, and there are no invite links to share yet.)

There's also Weku, which is similar to steemit, but operates on different specs. And minds; though I'm not fond of it.

I spoke about the whale issue 10 months ago, and the general atmosphere seems to have only continued and gotten worse.

I'm glad there are attractive and usable alternatives in the marketplace of blockchain social networks.

I'm exercizing those options.

On the upside, if steemit content becomes editable, I might end up using steemit more.
Though... why wouldn't I just use Matter or Yours?

I can't figure out the steemit payment system, and I've gotten a good handle on being able to use BCH. Frankly, I'm not sure why I'd use Weku either -- I doubt I'd have much more luck "cashing out" than I have with steemit... but I'm giving it a whirl.

I made this into a post.

amen

I am a new user and I cannot even ask for help. CHAT 3rd party app will not allow me to make an account so that I can ask for help. It probably won't let this POST! HELP!!!!

I have a discord channel, I'll help with what I can. https://discord.gg/ttSAqZW Also you can join https://steem.chat/home. I know for new people it's a bit hard to get started and I know I'm missing some other places If anyone else would like to chime in.

I agree with these statements, just look at instagram when we have steepshot we will need at least that many interaction options.
We need a way to increase newbie interaction not limit their actions.

Blockchain is not exempt from human nature!
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Oh heavens, only 10 times! Is this true @stellabelle @ksteem? Each morning, part of my routine, is going through at least 30 of my favourites and commenting and voting. You mean I shan't be able to now? What is happening? Oh stuff and bother!

You'd better prioritize my posts then! XD

But seriously, I don't think you'd have such a low limit...

I hope not, but we'll see. Since I'm so old school I just auto vote everyone so sometimes I have to catch back up with people, but do try to then vote up their posts I'm finding late as long as they are within the 7 day. I should probably autovote at some time, but I like to read and then comment and vote. It's like early 2000's blogger blogging, well except we earn crypto instead of silly adsense :)

nice

On the contrary @stellabelle - this is going to make the "common folks" more discoverable. Their 'training wheels' of 15SP delegation from Steemit Inc should be more than enough for them to get started on the path of gaining their own influence. This is going to create a culture of quality over quantity. Instead of 100's of useless posts and comments filling up the network, it will be much easier to sift through and curate good content. With less bots and spam interacting, it will be easier to find them. It might be a little bit quieter around here, but in a really good way.

I wrote a blog post about it here if you want to read more about my opinion.

I sort of feel the same way. Even as a dolphin this kind of makes me nervous. I understand the logic behind the limitation, but I worry about the repercussions.

none of this is unfortunately possible without adequate testing.

Nothing is exists, percentage of new comers might be a few, ....... Everybody dies in a territory except a whale, having more , what comes to him???.

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"Isn't one of the goals to have more human curation and less bot value? Then allow the human people to comment and vote 30-50 times a day"
What about implementing some WEEKLY votes/curation instead of daily? Regular folks love to post some days and the rest of the days work hard and don't have the time to social media.
IMHO

Indeed!! Can’t agree more! That’s what I do, I’m quite active from Monday till Thursday on the train, but Friday I work from home, and next is the weekend. That’s family time. A weekly reasonable limit would be nice.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

This. Lots of this.

> ensures fair pricing of resources based on proportionate stake.

I don't think this is a necessary priority. In fact, I don't think it should be the implementation of RC at all. Rather than linear scaling, why not diminishing RC returns or a baseline level of interaction? For an example of how the former would work, perhaps, someone with 5 SP should be able to make 50 comments a day. Someone with one hundred 75, two hundred SP = 100 comments, 400SP=125 and so on. There's still an incentive to increase STEEM holdings because of voting power and/or some interaction bonus, but you give smaller stakeholders the capacity to actually interact only at the expense of large holders being able to do more than anyone needs to do.

Alternatively, give everyone a baseline RC budget of enough for 50 comments a day and scale linearly from there. That's probably simpler. And I know that the folks running the platform think the market can solve all problems, but it's so clear that it can't. We see free market capitalism failing to create livable circumstances for so many people around the world and cycles of poverty becoming inescapable by means of market forces. Why should we believe that an internal RC market will provide the means by which a feasible system will be born? It's great that it provides data, and that can help developers direct software implementations, but it doesn't work for everyday users, I don't think.

If you read my examples and think, "that won't work, he doesn't understand," Fine, but please don't dismiss the sentiment, which is that "fair market" doesn't work for the majority of users, especially not new users.

I agree with your way of seeing how RCs would work better. It's not the issue of counting them as they are spent, which is what's really needed for HF21. That can stay. It's the issue of how they're meted out in the first place.

Here's the thing I've come to: It isn't that they don't understand that these various methods are feasible for making this platform more hospitable to low SP people or new users unready to buy STEEM right off the bat. It's that they don't care about that.

This HF was a success to them because... well... it was a success for everything they care about.

Many years ago a Buddhist teacher responded to my criticisms of things I'd newly discovered about the community of teachers by saying, "The path of awakening is the path of disillusionment. You have to let go of all your illusions, especially your illusions about [buddhism]." Well I've been applying that to everything ever since.

In this case, the time has come for us to let go of our illusions about what this platform means to the company that created it, and realize that it's not what it means to us. The question then becomes, well how do you personally relate to that? That's a question each of us has to answer for ourselves.

Yes most definitely the free market does not work, except in limited circumstances, for instance when it's new and immature, not yet saturated. As it ages the benefits for middle and lower income brackets diminish, as money migrates to the top, and monopolies become the norm. It's a positive feedback loop impossible to break without outside interference. Same for any closed system, just human nature.

Nice words and thanks for the help! :)

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

This is incorrect. New users are delegated 15 SP, not 5. This should be more than enough for them to interact and get started. I believe this is going to change the culture of Steem to be that new users should be going for quality, not quantity. As they prove themselves they will gain more influence and be able to interact more. All in all, it's going to drastically reduce the bots and spam around Steem - which has been one of the number one complaints on the network.

I wrote a blog post about it here if you want to read more about my opinion.

They used to get 15SP, but a number of folks on discord have made it clear they got only 5SP.

Have any examples of this?

I believe this is how it works: you initially receive 15 SP delegation. If you go inactive for some time (30/60/90 days?) then your delegation is reduced to 5 SP. This ensures that you can still interact when (or if) you ever come back. If you do come back, your delegation is probably restored.

I've read and commented on so many of these HF posts, that I can't point out where I could find a linkable one. But I'm pretty sure if you just read all the comments on this one post you'll find someone correcting me on the 15SP vs 5SP point. I know I started calculating based on 15SP, which is what I started with 7 months ago, and was corrected several times, including by someone speaking for himself about one of his accounts.

Check out my post I linked to above. All of the users in the screenshot (created five days ago) have 15SP delegation. I don’t see any evidence to the contrary.

@dailyopinion primarily bots that attempt to police the platform like @steemcleaners. Not only are they completely dishonest, but they fail to realize that decentralization or even separation from the mainstream social bullshit has the initial foundation of NOT wanting to be policed.

Let the community decide the content they would like to see! These idiots develop cartels using delegated Steem and attempt to impose their authoritarian power over minnows, which definitely keeps the platform from growing.

Case-in-point: They use robot software to attempt finding content dupes across the net without ever considering who the main content dev was. Posting earlier on the net does not mean that you originated the content. Especially in cases of purposeful syndication or curation!

My educated guess is that things like @steemcleaners will have plenty of RC to continue operating normally - especially them based on the amount of SP in the account and the large delegation.

In my opinion - leaving an automated comment on someone's post letting people know that the article posted may (or may not) be plagiarized is not a terrible idea, as long as not more than one service is doing such a thing.

It may already do this, but if it doesn't it should probably scan the post for words like "This is not my work" or "I'm sharing this" or something, because sometimes it's totally appropriate to share others content - it is nice to know if the author is really the author though or if they wanted to just share something as people often do on social networks.

The blockchain does let the community decide what they'd like to see, or at least what they would like to make less visible through the use of downvotes. This is the built in blockchain mechanism to allow the community to decide what gets seen or not seen.

Either way, I believe spammy/scammy bots will be a lot less common around here.

can you explain in very simple terms, how to upload this HF20 patch? Thank you for reading my message

I think you meant to put this question at the top level, not under my comment. At least, I'm not one of the witnesses, and only the witnesses had to do anything with the patch.

The rest of us are just benefiting from their having done it already. You should experience its effects automatically now.

It could also be that my channel has been censored

I do not see any problem with 10 comments a day per person. I am expecting a more valuable comment because of this. That is what they called Freemium.

good job amazing updates

Thanks for the update. We appreciate all your hard work.

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what the actual fuck is going on I was 60% an hour ago.

The only thing I would like to be able to accomplish is to post and comment under desired post. I cannot do it! It has been too many days...
Help!

I need to learn english xD hahaha
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Primeramente doy gracias al arduo trabajo de los desarroladores, si bien en los ultimos dias la mayoria de los usuarios hemos tenido inconvenientes al momento de votar, postear, responder entre otras... Decir la crisis ya paso.
En esta actualizacion solucionaron varios poblemas a mi parecer en los que respecta a RC a mi parece y la fluidez de la operaciones, y un aspecto que afecto a muchos creo que fue el nivel de infuencia que tienen..
Sin mas que decir . Gracias por su arduo trabajo,
en espera de nuevas mejoras...

I really don't think it's OK to ask people to get 100SP in their accounts to comment. It's like a scheme, seriously.

What about compensation for those of us who were unable to post and lost revenue as a result?

LOL

Perhaps the TOS leaves that open, but I don't think so. Enjoy your arbitration!

When update end?

could anyone give me a link explaining dust votes. and did something changed about them? thanks

@steemitblog
What about the missing posts in the various channels (Trending, New, ..)??

Just one example:
- https://steemit.com/created/introduceyourself jumps from "7 days ago" to "17 days ago"

Once the bots get back to business and steem starts flowing again, I'm pretty sure everything will get back to normal. If were lucky in a few months no one will even remember this strange couple of weeks, unless you stocked up on more steem and or re-upped on this once in a lifetime Steem-disaster!! Steem will carry on!

Just checking that we are on the same page. I'm not talking about the missing posts caused by the fact that users could not post because of their RC. I'm talking about a bug for which looking at any channel you can notice a few weeks hole (not matching with when the steem blockchain was down or posting was too expensive). Maybe it's just an indexing issue that will get solved soon?
¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sigue costando 91% de mi steem power votar? daba un voto y me quedaba con 17% ...

It seems like voting power is regenerating faster than RCs, which I don't have a problem with, but I'm still below 25%. Yesterday, I was below 25% VP but now over 60%. So I've increased in VP by over 100% and in the same time have increased RCs by, maybe, 20%. At this rate, I won't be at full RC in a long time.

I was intrigued, I thought that I would not recover my cunta, but I will try to be more constant in my publications. greetings to all steemit

Well hopefully the bugs will be over soon

Can we all 10x our coins too?

This just sucks because I am loosing money not selling any votes on smartsteem... not really sure why, but I hope it gets worked out soon.

The problem here with #hf20 is the comedic nature and the massive number of hoops that were jumped through to ignore the commonly known ills of the platform. They are mainly self-interest and will of people to retain their equity in the platform as they gain it, and find ways that they can game the system.
The problem is the HF-20 is a Rube Goldberg Machine. Not familiar what that is or maybe heard of it but it's bugging you what exactly again it was? Here is an example...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404721000991817740/495368390060277771/Z.png

Had this fork done virtually nothing but instituted SMTs and made this platform compatible to get half SP half chosen SMT of the poster's wish the economy would be less insulated and then value would eventually would have to be created, or the same tokens would be getting pushed around, and the garbage posters would be missing out in upping their status on the platform of up to half of their payments (if they choose to operate in garbage tokens they issue themselves), and eventually become a dinosaur as the people who providing things of value (using @steemmonsters as a prime example of that). With their own SMT, @steemmonsters could use the upside of the Steem token in getting half payouts in SP, and half payouts in their own SMT. Those would carry much more value than the garbage tokens that would come out and have to prove themselves as valued to the will of the community and can grow at that type of pace. Rather than being tethered to the same economy that is based solely on the buying of bids from concentrated pools of wealth because that is virtually the only way people who are new to here know how to gain a positive footing. But instead we have countless new moving parts all over the place, and eventually (allegedly) will make this a SMT friendly place. I will say this again as I have said until I have become blue in the face...
...either Steemit comes up with a fork that has full-blown SMT compatibility very soon, or it will be made obsolete by a blockchain platform that may be half as good with all other dapps, or whatever creations that become because we do not have the byteballs to make the decision to fix the Steemit economy the easy way, versus the Rube Goldberg Machine that just came out.

I love the analogy of the Rube Goldberg Machine... I think its worse because it makes that napkin actually give you the flu too because its contaminated. So not only did your napkin not work as you expected, but now you have infected the patient with a needless disease.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

While people are waiting for all that to happen they can come join WeKu with me.
https://deals.weku.io/pick_account?referral=funbobby51

Recourse credit to 100% yeahhh LOL... Now i can comment a lot :P ... Still waiting for my Voting Mana to reach 100% for start upvoting as i used to...

Heaps of technical details but nothing on how this will help me or any other user. I guess it is more of a power grab for the whales to make increasing profits, as that is all I have seen in a year on Steemit.

I call bullshit. Do better. We're all basically working for YOU to have a site that's worth a shit.

Sack up. Quit whining.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

The title should be “Restoring Sanity”

Posted using Partiko iOS

Are those Discount Account Creation tokens mentioned in https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/steem-velocity-hardfork-hardfork-20 available yet? How do we create a discounted second account under hardfork 20 using resource credits?

I have very low SP here but I was finally able to post after two days... Hoping this means I can post more in the future and don't have to wait 5 days in between posts or comments... We shall see...

is good

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

I have just one question-Was hard fork successful?

I used to love the idea of Steemit. But now it seems like the things that are happening here now is so familiar. The rich goes richer(whales) kind of shit. The newbies who enter with only the investment of hard work by posting, commenting and upvoting, which btw is the lifeblood of Steemit, is left out.
I agree, with these selfish changes you guys are implementing, Steemit will die. I am considering leaving now. Its not that fun anymore.
I hope you guys will again, think, and this time, think harder your priorities.

Gah!!! Steempocalypse! What a mess!

Nice play con artist! Good play! Powering down and moving on! You will loose 100,000s of SP from this and get nothing but leaches who bitch at you for not earning while you extract the last few dollars left in the platform! Good job!

Because you can post does not mean things are fixed... IF you want to see SCALE ( new users) you are not going to.. If you want to watch half the userbase who is active and has over HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of SP leave (like me) by all means call it "fixed"... You all will be there with @ned alone and the bulk of us moved on.. You think making this reply cost you anything on FACEBOOK funny you don't reply on steem.... WHY NOT?? Oh right now it costs you RC to post on steem! But RC = VP which is your EARNINGS!!! So now you have to decide.. Should I follow 3 people OR up vote 3 things and earn money... Well logic dictates you will like 3 things and 0 follows... WHAT A GREAT social platform that is... ENCOURAGE selfish behavior... BY ALL MEANS if you want to debate this do.. But as you stated you just want to blindly follow @ned and believe this is good for you while people with over 100k SP leave lol! But hey I'm sure they will replace me with people who have 12 SP.. You only need 100,000 of them ROFL! GOOD LUCK!

New users lol you are insane if anyone like me who actually attracts new users is going to keep helping! We are leaving or forking! You fucked us! We are done @ned! No wonder @dan left!

NO ONE is going to join now and people like me are LEAVING! Good job @steem @ned and @steemitblog you DESTROYED the platform! You made it so simply POWERING UP costs RC which as i explained is your VP now.. So you have a choice... Follow someone OR up vote to earn money.. Update your profile OR up vote yourself.. Well i choose just to up vote myself now and show just how shitty this upgrade is... 2 can play at this game while i wait 13 WEEKS for my steem to become liquid again! You change the rules overnight yet I have to wait 13 weeks to cash out? SCAM! You botched the upgrade last week and had a false start leading to 37 hours of down time and we are told just wait it out... SCAM! We are told this week oh just wait 5 days and it will be okay... SCAM! All you have done this last 2 weeks is BREAK steem, BOTCH every upgrade (5 now in 9 days) and prove why @dan left! You are an INSULT to developers and should be ashamed of yourselves! FUCK YOU!

Hi. Before you leave, would you mind heading over to the introduceyourself tag and hitting up a few of those noob posts from time to time?

Though it appears they've applied a patch to help remedy the issues, I still feel these new people could use that little extra boost. Every vote will count towards them being able to enjoy themselves here and by the sounds of it, you care about them, so it would be greatly appreciated if you could help.

Thanks!

ALL minnows are FUCKED... This is WHAT I AM FIGHTING FOR!! Follow me! Look at what the CORE team is advocating for... Look at the biggest account holders... They want ME GONE! Yet I spend more resources to help others that are under 100 SP than they ever do! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

So, that's a no?

I am only self up voting now to PROVE my point.. If you want love fro me JOIN my revolt against this HF20 bullshit and RC crock shit: https://steemit.com/steem/@bigdeej/powering-down-fuck-ned-others-agree

I'm not really interested in that, kinda busy.

If you change your mind though, I'm sure the tag will still be there.

I can up vote myself OR change my profile pic.. HMMM what a great social platform... Update your account, up vote someone else OR just self up vote and fuck everyone??? Sounds like what this new upgrade wants! If you choose to change your mind and agree this upgrade is BAD and encourages selfish behavior by all means hit me up! But hey you want to support this bullshit I can't even wrap my head around!!! I would rather just hand out the fucking STEEM i earn to minnows than try to play by these new rules... It is INSANITY!

THINK... "You ran out of RC power up..." OH WAIT... Powering Up is a TX and that costs RC... SO its a catch 22... So you are told to just fuck off... A new member will just leave... But hey you can loose people like me who have $100ks invested here to then loose the 1 out of 200k people who even listen to you in "real" life to join here after they wait 3 weeks to get approved... THEN they are told they have to SPEND MONEY!!! Man you think people are going to do that??? Go tell people they have to pay for their account and usage and the people who actually are invested you kick off and basically talk down to and make feel stupid... REALLY smart move! Its genius! Those of us like me who have REAL $ invested in STEEM leave and you get 0 new users! Sounds like the platform is fucking DEAD! Oh and the guy who made it @dan LEFT too for this very reason... I hoped @ned wouldn't be this dumb but I was naive and should have left with @dan 3 months ago! Oh well live and learn...

Handing out your steem to minnows doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. I say go for it! That would be awesome.

Much of the problems you mention new members have to face only exist if people are unwillingly to step up and vote. Refusing to do so is intentionally holding them back. Now, more than ever, curation is important. If people aren't willing to do that, who's to blame? If you'd like to see them succeed, do something. If you don't want to see them succeed, do nothing.

I'll try to help people as much as I can, within reason, little by little. I'm not interested in telling you what to do.

yap you are right , it hurts to post again becous my rc droped to 79.65%. 10 comments per day is my limit I gues.

sorry I reply to wrong comment. here goes another 20%:(

If you're making the conscious decision to intentionally waste your resources, so you can find reasons to complain, I'm not going to feel sorry for you. You could have said something worthy of an upvote from me or anyone else reading, received an upvote, or more than one; from there you would have more resources than you do now PLUS you'd be setting yourself up to have even more resources to use in the future because that vote would lead to more SP. This isn't rocket science you guys. Please don't respond and waste more resources. There's no need. Minnows who actually put in effort will succeed. Simple. Good luck to you.

Chil out:) I didn't want to reply to your comment so I apologised. Was just wanted to see if @bigdeej is right, and it is. I am not living in my dreams that I am a great writer like some of us. Some of us are not lucky to join among the first or have friends with lots of steem power, or be noticed by a whale so I am using bots to boost my account and i can upvote this comment if I want to. So don't worry about my RC. And one more thing, your account wouldn't be worth as much as it is if there was not a mass of minnows and not everyone of them is a good blogger. And with the settings that are at the moment on steemit there won't be a lot of new people joining to upvote your posts.

I respect my following. It's a good bunch of people. There will be minnows and I'll be there to help them when they visit, as per usual. I'm good. Have a nice day.

Because I respect you brother and I don't want you to waste your time... Look at this, this is the "business" that just got dismantled.

I think it will bring this whole thing into perspective

fun fun fun

I wasn't being serious. I knew he wouldn't lift a finger to help anyone. I just wanted to show everyone his true colors and I thought the best way to do that would be to spin things around so people could see his reaction. Actions speaks louder than words. Someone yelling about being helpful would help. I was just peeling off the mask.

well played my friend... he walked right into it.

I have 7.6 steem pover and my rc is 97.30. Let me see how much will this comment will cost me.

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing
Forward. Future Is History"

lol this is funny because bigdeej is the one scamming users in his group shadowbot

i was there nearly year and lost 100's of SBD in votyes to dev accounts and the 100's of spam accounts there a even though i had a high rank top 15 out of over 2k users in terms of their group system that they claimed was fair with dev accounts getting 4 to 6 times the votes of others with similar ranks

as you can see he is now using the posting privileges given to the group to upvote his whinging comments

Life is all about the better choices.

So, first, we must ask which choices we have at the moment in the real world. We can think about alternatives to Steemit, like Gab, Minds, Bitchute, Real Video, and we can try them.

We can help them.

By the way, here is a secret, RC does not steal SP, SBD, or Steem from your own wallet. Instead, SP increases your RC.

Paper Steemit Mario

When you use RC, it then replenishes like Heart Power (HP) in Paper Mario. We can talk about making Steemit and other websites, other things better.

Gab Over Steemit or Minds, etc? Competition?

In some ways, Gab is better than Steemit as it is faster to post, share, and profit from premium content where you sell your posts to your subscribers. But Steemit is the best for long-term Steem earning which can later be exchanged for Bitcoin, etc.

Steemit Sunshine? Where?

Yeah, Steemit has problems, but together, we are trying to make it better. If there are places that are a lot better than Steemit, please tell us. Together, we either make Steemit better and/or other places better. Should there be comment and posting limits?

Original Oatmeal from Oregon?

Maybe, I'm thinking. I'm Oatmeal. I'm sympathizing, empathizing, with what you say and kind of agree that I kind of don't like RC but I understand that websites, technology, servers, etc, cost money. So, what can we do to pay the witnesses? Gofundme? Soros Pay Pal?

have you joined WEKU yet?
https://deals.weku.io/pick_account?referral=funbobby51

I just did. Even though I am still a bit unsure what it actually constitutes after reading the Terms&Conditions. But when the thunderstorms have receded I will explore it. Thanks for the referral. @beingtheuniverse

awesome, it is my pleasure.

Finally we got a break from the constant lightning and thunder. Can't afford to lose my old iMac, so I have to unplug it when the lightning hits around me.
Interestingly though I have just read more of the comments about HF20 and I do understand much more now then before. But what I do know now does no longer enable me to dream away naively about the possibilities that exist for what I like to convey in a time of the dissolution of civilization as we know it.
Therefore it feels like an Odyssey - traveling through the interwebs in search for an island with inhabitants that really do care about what all this is about and how to not lose perspective, but to arrive at a brand new world view that will make what's left for us to experience much more bearable, if not outright enjoyable. My best wishes to You and more gratitude for showing me the direction towards another island I haven't stepped on yet.

Since I can't send beer, I send you some flowers. My orchids on Hawai'i Island in 'Leilani Estates', where we used to live.

[IMAGE: https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRcUUtkrvR3VRu4YKBAnXVRXrbKi3ZKiAvEYvUgBfmr8L/Orchids-and-Bougainvillea-04-19-2017.jpg]

Enjoy, I think I recall an episode of Dog the Bounty Hunter filming there ;)

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

I'm not trying to summon your wrath or anything just an honest question. :) What do you mean by "But RC = VP which is your EARNINGS!!!" Are you just saying that you won't be able to vote if you are low on RC? Because your voting power is not the same as your resource credits. They recharge separately.

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Hey, while I agree there are many issues, I think you have misunderstood the situation. RCs are not the same thing as VP, they are different. RCs are just the new name for bandwidth and you lose VP independently from RCs

hey @ned you should check @bigdeej scam group shadowbot

100's of inactive accounts using @steem delegation giving free votes
https://shadowbot.us/shadowbot/casters.php

ESTARIA GENIAL EN ESPAÑOL!!!

Looks like it's fixed. I'm able to comment with less than 3SP.

Thanks

I've been on here 15+ months never heard of "mana"
Wtf is mana?????

I'm not clear myself, @chelsea88
Here's what I found from @therealwolf on mana.

Some clarity on Resource Credits and Voting Mana

Does this help?

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

I can not publish two days ago why?

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

You could have avoided all these HF complications by simply Banning the Bots a long time ago. I was right over a year ago... Bots would destoy Steemit... and it is happening.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Patch upon patch on a disasterous hardfork that should never have been accepted in the first place. Guys, take your losses. Roll back to the moment of the hardfork, figure out a way to compensate those negatively affected by a rollback and try again for HF20-lite in a few months, preferably with the current #21 to #40 witnesses as new top twenty bunch.

Ceterum censeo HF20 esse delendam

Well steem down to 1 cent or less due to inactivity here for the patches current steem price .92 and sbd 1.00

There is something wrong here. A look at the course throughout the year is enough.
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This neew rc system is kind of disappointing as it drains so much faster

The growth of this platform will not serve this development. At least I can not recognize that. The "social" we can then delete from our thoughts. I know moaning is easier than doing something. If I have something to say, which I probably do not have because of my low voting power, then I put the focus on a long-term and stable growth and above all on justice!

Hello friends with good heart for the new steemians like us. I need your help. If there are other platforms similar to steemit that encouraged content creators, and where one can also earn while discussing, arguing, and playing with friends, please list them so that we can have somewhere that still offers newbies an opportunity to grow until this greedy intended FH20 will be reconsidered or in case it will never be reconsidered.
And can somebody also help us to know in case a good number of whales will decide to come together to form a similar platform or alternative to steemit. I want to start on such platform early enough so that when I become a witness on that platform or whatever name they would name the big players on that platform, I would fight with all I've got against any greedy intended upgrades. But as for steemit, I have no power to cause any changes.

ONO platform. The reward system is good

https://www.ono.chat/ono/invite/?lang=en&pos=en#/catch/uid/100115500

Invite code: 1QFK

Thanks alot. I appreciate.

MUCH INTERESTING

Do you notice how there have been almost no one with a rep below 45 posting on this thread? That is because until now we couldn't. You haven't been able to see our complaints because we were denied a forum.

As I (and many others) have a limited number of posts it's highly likely that I won't be able to respond to anyone that replies to this post. I'm sure that some people with power/daddy issues will take advantage of that fact. I'm guessing it's going to be the same twaddle that I have been reading the past couple of days on these threads. "People should invest in the platform ....blah, blah, ........it's not free you know ......blah, blah, blah .......it's a privilege to post here.....blah blah blah ......we create value".

Oddly enough Facebook doesn't have zero costs either but staff aren't telling users "Look you ungrateful pleb we are graciously (sic) allowing you to be here out of the kindness of our hearts and our pockets" like arrogant f&^&$ds.

You either want a platform for blogging that takes off into the mainstream or you want an investment vehicle that functions only for a circle-jerking clique. No noobie will ever invest in a plutarchy that has rolled up the carpet and vacuums up the value of anything invested.

Velocity was an appropriate name for the fork as people have speeded out the door to other platforms. Here is where you say "people will be back when the price goes up. We have been through this before" Except you haven't. In the past there was no competition. There is now and if the barriers to entry and progression are lower on the platforms they have gone to then they aren't coming back as they will have outgrown Steemit. Chrome wasn't the first browser, it wasn't even the second or third but it sure is the browser with the most market share now.

Businesses that survive are the ones that recognize cock-up and act on them. Ones that stick their fingers in their ears while yelling "lalalalala" don't.

*Rant over.

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So many comments tells me this platform has hope. This update is bold and is needed, we just need to be patient while a few tweaks are put in.

..The Governance model needs some work and maybe some out of the box thinking. I'm happy to be part of a discussion to help if people want an extra point of view?

There are no villains here that I can see...although some unkind and angry people are a plenty; it's just when power isn't spread it corrupts. This is a decentralised platform shareholders and stakeholders, people with large stakes cannot control operations, it will always favour the individuals and not the mission.

I love Steemit, lets just be patient and spend a bit of time getting this right.

Cheers

Now that’s cool

I would say your best bet here @ned is to give everyone who commented on this post a 100% vote. That will shut them up.

> That will shut them up.
@funbobby

On @Steemit, possibly.
But, on Trybe? Minds?......

LOL I was referring only to the people commenting on this post, there aren't enough upvotes in the world to make his early congratulating himself on the hard fork 20 go away.

> his early congratulating himself on the hard fork 20 go away.
@funbobby51

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LOL go @ned go!

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

WOW. That got a lot of negative comments.

I won't pretend to understand everything that's going on. What I do know is that when HF20 first hit, I had -65000% resource credits. That would have taken YEARS to regenerate. Additionally, everyone else had the same problem. The blockchain was So what did I do? How can I even make this comment?

I didn't do anything. The Steemit Team fixed it.

Suddenly the blockchain came back to life. People were posting, commenting, and voting again. But it wasn't enough. Activity for small accounts was still extremely limited. So what did I wake up to this morning?

Yet another patch by the Steemit team.

I don't know how the rest of the situation will play out, and I don't even know how much the patch has actually fixed. Maybe I'll post this and my RC will only go down a couple percent and everything will be fine. Maybe I lose half my RC, and this patch has fixed nothing for me. But I do think that whatever happens the Steemit team will continue to work toward keeping Steem free and easy to use. I intend to stick with the platform, despite the difficulties.

Keep trying, Steemit team. As a fellow programmer, I know how hard code can be to get right. I trust you to do your best.

> Keep trying, Steemit team. As a fellow programmer, I know how hard code can be to get right. I trust you to do your best.
@joshmackwilliams

Are there enough fellow programmers to take @Steemit to 100M DAU? 10M? 1M?
I have no option on Steemit but, to trust the team, sir.
Of course, we're still in beta.
https://steemitimages.com/0x0/http://steepshot.org/api/v1/image/42daae20-3a05-4d51-ae12-51b03ad5ec9d.jpeg

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

What is Steemit.com? Is a Social Network or a digital currency outlet ?
First let my say I'm a Macro Economist and I find the Steemit currency system complex & confusing. It appears the system encourages a pyramid scheme culture. The focus is to get as many followers as possible and a barter system to receive up votes. Vote for me and I will vote for you. Regardless of content. I estimate 98% of my followers have no interest in Economics. I spend a majority of my time giving valuable information to investors about the true economy. I post my steemit links to sites like Marketwatch.com and zerohedge.com to help promote Steemit.com and I tell people to google my blog the Watchman Letter. but what value is that promotion in the Steemit Platform. The current ranking of Steemit is in the 3,000's on Alexa.com. I sign up for Steemit.com because I believed in the mission of a Social Network void of Corporate and Political Controls like facebook. But Steemit will not have any legitimacy until the focus is gaining membership popularity outside the realm of Steemit.
Lastly, here is some information from my blog I posted 9 months ago in regards to Bitcoin Manipulation.
I posted a Red Alert warning on November 28th and December 1st to Bitcoin Investors.
"The Bitcoin community believes the CFTC approval will give Bitcoin legitimate status as a currency.
Question: Why has the Banksters and CFTC have a change of heart in regards to Bitcoin?
Bitcoin is the only market that the Central Banks are unable to manipulate, but on December 10th, 2017 that will change.
Bitcoin will have the same price manipulation just like Gold & Silver prices since 1971.
The Central Banks will not tolerate any competition to their worthless Fiat Currencies."

I was shocked that the Bitcoin price correction took place within 4 days of the CBOE Bitcoin futures launch. I thought the Banksters would have waited a couple of months at least. I think the attack on Bitcoin was a two prong approach. I believe the Central Banks have been accumulating Bitcoins for the past couple of months preparing for the futures Launch. The Banks have unlimited printed fiat paper to purchase any asset class including Bitcoin. Remember the Bitcoin market is control by only 1000 people. It is a small market compared to Gold & Silver. Which makes it easy for the Banksters to manipulate.
The only positive take a way by this criminal act, is that the Central Banks are losing control of their Fiat Monetary Ponzi Scheme. Currently the Banks are trying to prop up the Bond Market, which is 3 times larger than the Equities Market. The fact that the banks are purchasing Bonds and Equities proves the Financial System is Insolvent.

God Bless you & your family,
Weston

Beautiful acting actor plays! Good game! Power down and moving! You will get 100,000 SP from SP and you will not get anything to worry about not having to earn the remaining few dollars of the platform! Well done

As you can post so you do not have to understand things that are fixed ... if you want to see Scale (new users) you are not going. If you want to see half of the user active and have more than thousands of people, do not miss the Million SP vacancies (like me) in all ways, it's "specific" ... all of you will be alone and we will be moved to a great deal. You think this answer is going to make you fun by spending anything on Facebook 'do not reply on stem ... why not ?? Oh right now you spend RC for posting steam! But RC = VP is your income !!! So now you have to decide. I will follow 3 people or vote 3 things and earn money ... Good reason you will like three things and follow 0 ... which is a great social platform which ... ... selfish selfish behavior ... if you want to debate about this matter all the way ... .. But as you said that you blindly want to follow and believe it is good for you, When more than 100 people, including SP goes up lol! But hey, I'm sure they will replace me with 12 people. You only need 100,000 roufels! Like it!

If new users attract you to new users, then those who like me are going to help you! We're not going! You fucked us! We are shutting down ! No wonder .....

Compensate us for the loss of voting power for 5 days.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Estoy en capacidad de producir post de calidad. No estoy al tanto de lo que es el manejo técnico de la página. Sólo se que si no logro algún voto, comentario o sbd, la cuestión se hace algo triste. Actúen acorde a lo que conviene a la comunidad.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Agus a-nis, dè a nì sinn?

Tha sinn a 'feitheamh airson an deireadh ...

Gu dìreach, leig leam a bhith foighidneach.

Cha bu chòir a bhith ro fhada.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Pal an deskadurezh eo diorren personelezh mab-den ha lakaat doujañ muioc'h gwirioù mab-den hag ar frankizioù diazez. Drezi e klaskor kreskiñ ar c'hengompren, an habaskted hag ar vignoniezh etre an holl vroadoù hag an holl strolladoù a ouenn pe a relijion disheñvel, hag ivez kas war

Pep den en deus gwir da gaout ul live-bevañ dereat evit e yec'hed, e aezamant ha hini e diegezh da lavarout eo: boued, dilhad, lojeiz, skoazell ar vezegiezh hag ar servijoù kevredigezhel zo ezhomm; gwir en deus ivez d'an diogelroez ma c'hoarvez dezhañ bezañ dilabour, klañv, mac'hagnet, instañvet, kozh, pe koll an tu da gaout peadra da vevañ en desped dezhañ.

Səbr edək.

ioe, e tatau ona faʻatali

Hà dirittu ogni parsona à participà à a
U fini di l'educazioni devi essa ch'ella si spanni
Un' sara cundannatu nimu par azzioni o umissioni
Hà dirittu à a prupiità ogni parsona, da sola o
A'i mammi è à i zitelli li ci voli un aiutu è

Pritja është e gjatë ...

Coula vout dîre qu’il èst lîbe dè régler s’ vèye so sès prôpés-îdèyes èt so s’ rilidjon, tot seû ou bin avou dès-ôtes, è s’ mohone come å d’ foû, avou l’ansègnemint, lès pratiques, lès-ûzances èt lès cèrèmon’rèyes qui l’agrèyèt.

Spätzle rucksack Pfourtz libero, risus, gewurztraminer habitant aliquam tchao bissame ac messti de Bischheim.

tha e a 'tòiseachadh a' faighinn fada!

Un' sarà turmintatu nimu, nè sottumissu à.

Ar mammoù hag ar vugale harp ha skoazell dreist an holl. An hol vugale, ganet eus tud dimezet pe dizimez, o devo ar emmes gwares kevredigezhel

Il èst disfindou d' s'intrimète sins re°zon d'vins lès-afe°res d'ine saquî ou di s' famile, di brokî è s' mohone, di nahî d'vins lès lètes qu'i r'çût ou qu'il èvôye. Il èst disfindou d' l' ac'sûre divins si-oneûr ou d'vins s' réputåcion. A d' fåt d' çoula, chaskeun' a l' dreût d' rèclamer l'pretècsion dès lwès.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Tha sinn a 'feitheamh ...

It is very interesting to see the reactions of everyone around here. It raises up the biggest issues with steemit:

1) there is no democracy to decide over the changes in how steem works, and that is usualy ok with closed platforms such as facebook that steal users stake (content), but with steemit, we have way more expectations, including being heard and keeping our stake (money) safe,

2) this system is not serving the humans and is not developed to adapt to human scales, so it has to be tweaked and hardcoded.

3) SPAM is hard to avoid and the most successful ways to fight it include machine learning, while Steemit is attempting to put limitations to both, bots and humans.

I am not that mad with steemit, mostly because I don't depend on it, finantially. I know development is hard and I know what it is to put out a system that fails in production and having to fix everything on the run. It sucks and is quite embarrasing. I understand you, and don't hate you. I do hope the steem elite notices those big 3 issues and work hard to overcome them.

thanks for the info

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Way to hard fork everything up!

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Hi, I'm not an expert on this but what I see that many publish to reach more audience and it's good, I do not go much to publish but I try to stick it well not to publish things that I would not give a message, but to give your I go to that the cresca platform is good, see the publications and what they like most, vote for it.

yo solo quiero tener la oportui¿nidad depublicar una o dos veces al dia, ni siquiera he tenido a oportunidad de presentarme formanlmente en esta red. no soy usuarioo frecuente de otras redes sociales porque me parece que no habia beneficio tangible en el uso, pero aqui parece que hay mas contenido de calidad del que hay en otras plataformas, estoy iniciando y quiero poder empezar a publicar. no sé hasta que momento se va a desbloquear mi boton de publicar.

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nice

I think you know you screwed this up and it was a terrible idea. If 4 out 5 posts are negative about this hard fork, you lost. I hate to have to say this since I have truly believed in the platform but this seems like an exit move. You literally just mde the rich richer and gave the poor less options. Way to go on this.

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Everything is coming back together. People have to realize we still sit on a world class blockchain.

I know there is allot of issues getting resolved, but wow! has anyone else noticed how responsive the platform is now!

Posts and comments are done in seconds and so far no errors for me. Surely this is a good thing? and to the negative people trying to destroy the good work...no it's not because people are leaving.

it's fast and I like it!

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Love posts like these, there're always conversation with more substance than typical Steem posts.

I'm really confused between so much information, maybe because I'm still very recent in Steemit and most of the information is in English that is not my native language. I'm just waiting to publish my post and know what happened to the benefits that are not so many because I'm starting. I hope not to be discouraged, particularly I have many illusions with the content that was generating because I am a teacher and I like to teach. I hope everything works soon.

i m not pleased and cannot upload to Dtube

As we all move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

ok

It really looks horrible situation. Authority should do something to stay alive in the market.

I think HF20 was okay, I was able to upvote and comment on everyone's posts.

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Ned, don't sweat it. Everyone has it out for you and the team. Blockchain isn't easy. Nobody has the perfect solution.

does this post mean that everybody can post right now?

aha ... from what I understood ... things are going down, right?

aha ... from what I understood ... things are going down, right?

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

Let's hope that this means that efforts and time are rewarded on a higher and more realistic base, so to obtain higher and fairer rewards, and in less time.

Thank you steemitblog for your dedication and time.

Yours sincerely @rodmack

As we move ahead in 'oneness..."Reversing Forward. Future Is History"

I am a new user (around 100 days).

I'm sure you solved some pre existing problem with the update, but from my perspective, SteemIt moved from an old system in which if I publish I get paid in criptocurrency, to a new one in which if I want to publish I have to buy criptocurrency with my physical money.

Not cool.

One day steemit,Inc will work on content, user interactions and sense of community... but not today.

post realy nice & am understand more information

dear @ned,

i would like to ask you to read a post i wrote this morning around my experience as a steemian (since dec 2017) and how I think the new RC system would have inhibited my engagement on Steem and possibly even discouraged me from joining and engaging:

https://steempeak.com/steem/@mountainjewel/the-necessity-of-commenting-how-we-grew-our-account

it seems to me that RCs fit into a larger picture that many of us aren't privy to/can't see yet. many of the "backbone" steemians who still don't have a lot of SP in their wallets are regulated down to incredibly lacking engagement levels. how do you see this fitting into the future of steem? honestly, i don't believe a steem that limits new users to this level has much a future. can you share how you see it fitting in and indeed thriving into the future? a steem that is a pay to play system will not flourish. i am curious to hear your thoughts. thanks!

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Hello guys, i'm kind of new in the platform (yes, you can calle me "Newbie" if you want to) and obviously i don't fully understand the lasted news and how it will affect us! if someone couldn't mind to explain me a better, i'll be very thanksfull!

I get that we need to be paying witnesses and stopping spammers, but why don't we just have fees for witnesses from each post / comment reward?

We could go like 75% author / 24% curators / 1% witness

Each wallet transaction made should have 0.001 fee at minimum and max of 1 Steem / SBD at 1%.

Spammers = Have an official account that does what SteemCleaners do but instead of flagging they limit accounts to 1 post per day or something. (take the fee for the humans running the account via the 1% for witnesses or whatever)

Also from a noobs point of view I think it'd be a good idea if we could have somewhere:
1. Number of upvotes remaining
2. Posts remaining
3. Voting manna (power)

Would provide a much better UX for people rather than getting "you can't do this" message and people not having any clue why. I'm talking about people who aren't really into crypto etc. the ones that don't understand RC's. It'd just be a nice clear way to view what you can do each day, and no harm putting a "want more votes bla bla buy steem" message so people can then understand why they should power up.

Something that I've noticed over the past week is that it takes a very long time to finish loading some of these posts because of the large amount of comments. I wonder if it would be better if steemit.com would load a certain number of comments; then when the user scrolls to the bottom more comments are loaded.

I first noticed this issue earlier just after the hard for when I was using my phone to read @steemitblog posts and my phone basically would lock up for over a minute. (Galaxy S7 edge).

I don't know if this is something that is in the works, but I just wanted to mention it!

On another note, I noticed that after I requested in another post that the red message at the top of the page get an x to close it, that is was quickly added. I don't know if it was my request that prompted it, but thanks either way!

Appreciate the update. Was going crazy with my Dtube channel and the old broken videos. With the update, I can re-Title my broken vids as Depreciated, so users don't try to click them. They instead can view my pinned content..... unless there's a way now to remove old videos that I somehow missed? ;) Anyone?

big event

I liked

Perusing these remarks, I understand I was mixed up when I exited my first remark the previous evening. I was under the feeling that new records got 15SP to begin and that the 10x coming today around evening time would have been connected similarly to each record. Turns out both are mistaken.

New records evidently get just 5SP at this point. What's more, the 10x is heading off to the whole RC pool, not similarly to each record. Presently I don't know how that circulation will be chosen, however how everything else has been chosen recommends that the more you have, the more you'll get.

Well that is simply in reverse. At the present time I can leave 100+ remarks/post every day. No chance I'm utilizing all that, so making it 1,000+ for me isn't helping anybody.

In the interim, another client truly attempting to manufacture connections on here and contribute profitable substance to the stage may not in any case get 10x, and regardless of whether they did, that would just mean their having the capacity to remark or post about once every day.

Please. Allows simply skirt this 10x and go straight to 100x. At that point the group can take a gander at use and modify from that point. It's ridiculous to make individuals pause... how much longer?.... before ordinary utilization can continue with the goal that you can even start gathering significant information. If you don't mind address this now.

On a different yet related point, for what reason would we say we are comparing being new with being a spammer? For what reason would we say we are endeavoring to battle spam in a way that punishes new individuals?

I totally comprehend the requirement for utilizing RCs to track asset use, and giving people and the devs precise criticism on framework use by different activities. I thoroughly get why that is essential for SMTs to work in the following fork.

Yet, wouldn't you say you should begin by giving individuals enough RCs for an ordinary human to work on here when they first begin?

Wouldn't you say the strategy for forestalling spam ought not take after a technique for anticipating utilization by new clients?

I was setting this months back, before UA scores happened, and I see it much more at this point. I realized that the manner in which individuals were looking at battling spam would hurt new clients. And after that I proposed another measurement for being a genuine individual other than measure of SP held, which was commitment to the stage.

I was not able make the coordinations work, however then came the entire UA score usefulness, which has been completing a slamming occupation of making sense of who is contributing pretty much to the stage. Why not have that be what decides what number of RCs somebody begins every multi day time frame with?

We should quit likening having more cash with having more an incentive to this stage.

Good project

Ok I can only vote about 10 times and comment 3 times with no new post then the RC is depleted. So with a SP of 19 I can't post at all just vote and comment?
Please let m know what to do I love this platform and always try my best for quality content.

You need to let your RC have time to replenish as it's at a ridiculously low 1%. It will never recharge though if you don't let it. I think it recharges at 20% per day but I could be wrong.

For details on all changes in HF20 :
https://steemit.com/steem/@steemitblog/steem-velocity-hardfork-hardfork-20

Hello @steemitblog, is Steemit Inc. working on adding a Steemit Shop feature in the near future? Or is one of the SMTs going to go for this project? Having a social marketplace platform integrated on the Steem blockchain with carrier tracking and escrow services would be very welcome.

Would help to compete with platforms like FB shops, Etsy, etc.

Also, other blockchains are also focusing on ecommerce, such as Cybermiles (CMT). They already have online stores where one can buy anything with CMT and get up to 100% cashback in ETH on all purchases. That is huge! Would be nice if Steem could have something similar. It would tremendously increase the demand for Steem and SBD.