Beautiful work from you keep it up

To bad you didn't do you research into flat earth.

There are flat earth channels that talk extensively about southern hemisphere flights. And, they make a lot more sense out of the same data as you have here.

So, riddle me this. If a light house can be seen from X miles away, and the computations of the ball earth places it clearly over the edge of the horizon, how is it seen?

Now where are those photos of the underside of the flat earth you have as evidence?

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Do not mistake me for a flat earther.
There is a lot of questions that need to be answered.

And currently, I think that none of the models match reality.

I'm "mistaking" you for a flat earther because you are behaving like one. If you are not a flat earther could you provide evidence of that? (eg. "I don't think the earth is flat" - it either is or it isn't...)

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The earth is neither a ball nor a pancake.

Proof? - I say it's a ball! - for once the onus of proof is not on me, it's on you...

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Too bad i won't bite.
I have seen enough evidence to make me question the assumptions, then more evidence to make me disbelieve.
And since I saw much of it on Utube, you could do the same.

I will not waste time trying to prove anything to you.
It can't be done. Even if I had photographic evidence, it wouldn't be enough. Even if I had mathematical models, enough to fill a library, it wouldn't be enough.

The only thing I ask of you is to not call me a flat earther.

Biearther...

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How do you figure you can say it is a ball and not have to prove it?

How do you figure you can say it is flat and not have to prove it?
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I made no such statement. You, on the other hand, did.

No one claims to have photos of the underside of the Earth, because everyone knows it's impossible to get there. Your silly idea and cartoon shows no proof of evidence for any claim, just your ignorance on the subject.

Why not go there?

Where is your evidence?

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Because of international treaty. Without permission by most of the world's govern-cements, if you go down to those waters, you will be turned back or sunk.

So, do you have any ideas of how you can see a lighthouse when, by the ball earth theory, it should be way over the horizon?

I live in NZ - we are the last port for all the ships that go into "those waters"

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But I can't see any lighthouses beyond the one on the other side of the harbour...

I'm a sailor. I intend to sail my yacht to Antartica in the next 4-5 years. I know sailors that have been there. They were not met by naval warships and told to turn around. They have no reason to lie to me about their trips down there.

Trevor Robertson is from my home town. He is the only man in history to have solo sailed his yacht unassisted and allowed himself to be frozen in for both an Antarctica and Arctic winter. Here is a link to his blog - you can find other articles about his exploits.

@sift666 - there are many ports that a sailor can depart from and NZ is certainly one of them. Patagonia is the closet to Antartica and a very popular launching pad.

Awesome - yeah I know people who have been right up to that wall of ice but penguins told them to go home :)

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you crack me up - those dastardly penguins must have been trained by the UN ;)

I have no reason to argue with simple minded people that choose to believe what others tell them rather than doing their own research. There's just no point in trying to help some people wake up. You are one of those.
I'm not going to spoon feed you the answers you are looking for, that's exactly how you got into this mess in the first place. I simply suggested doing research over choosing a belief system that works for you.

Yes - your ponts are now proven with solid evidence...

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You haven't actually looked at the books and calculations they use to site lighthouses have you? They make them a specific height for a reason.

You haven't worked out that height is almost irrelevant at the distances they can be sighted. The newest lighthouses are built close to the ground.

Draw to scale. 50 miles. Then draw to the same scale a light house that is 1000 feet above sea level.

Jaimethompson, you and your husband David, aside from being sexual deviants, and cyber-stalkers. please stop following me around the Internet. I don't want to be a part of your cuckoldry. And you're ugly and demonstrably stupid to boot. Leave me alone. I don't want you in my life. You have been stalking me for eight months. Get a life you stupid hoe.

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So true - maybe that's why flat earth theory isn't very popular in the Southern Hemisphere - everyone here knows it's bollocks...

Yes I think flat earthers are brain dead retards with tofu for brains...

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>"When I disagree with a rational man, I let reality be our final arbiter; if I am right, he will learn; if I am wrong, I will; one of us will win, but both will profit." -Ayn Rand

Even though it isn't in the direct quote, I think one could look at this quote on the other side and say there is no profit to be had by either party in a disagreement when the rational, observable universe is not the agreed upon standard. Any appeals to faith or shifting the burden of proof is, as you said, an attempt to divert. Removing the objective eye is to remove the only tool we can use as a common frame of reference in our existence as separate beings.

I think she might have meant that the person that was wrong will profit in being left alone and not being forced to the change their mind and in the end if they are open to it they will profit from being proven wrong and thus able to change their mind on their own accord. I really love that quote. I had never seen it before.

Correct; in the quote, she is speaking of the rational conversation. In my commentary, I am referring to the lack of purpose of your discussion with those of the irrational camp of mind, the people who are denying the many sources that have been duplicated and verified over and over on a given topic, like the shape of our planet. Can and do the discussions happen? Of course. But as you stated at the beginning, the time of critically-thinking and more productively contributing members of society are "wasting their time".

I am fully a skeptic, so I don't argue for blind acceptance as fact. But I do argue that time is everyone's most valuable resource so I make mine count.

well said @thedreamsteem and lovely quote. I am also a skeptic. I never accept anything blindly so years a few years ago I took a close look at flat earth because so many people we're talking about it. I wanted to know the truth so I did the research. There is lots of evidence for a spherical earth but I thought that this was the simplest one for any layman to understand. I spent considerable time looking at flat earth theory. I hope that my post will save people questioning the shape of the earth some time. All the very best!

And why don't you compare actual flight times, and not compute flight times? Computing just compares one model to another. Its bogus.

Take actual data, and then see which model fits it.

And find a non-stop flight from
Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia

"it's bogus"

"Take actual data, and then see which model fits it" - yes, why don't you?

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Still waiting for that evidence....

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Give me a break.

Above the author says:
> All flights have been calculated at speeds of 500 mph (804 kmh). 30 minutes has been added for take-off and landing.

So, he is computing the flight time, and the distance is based on one model, and compared to the distance on another model. Even if they are right, they are completely wrong.

You take your models, compute the times, and then compare and contrast them to actual flight times and routes.

Even if you think the opposition is shtupid, the doesn't give you the right to skip over all the actual data.

If only you had done what you suggest instead of searching for more meaningless cartoons of an imaginary earth that nobody has ever suggested to be true.

I hope one day you actually do the research instead of letting your cognitive dissonance control you.

> And find a non-stop flight from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia

I have friends that have flown that route separately. One of them goes to Chile often. I asked him if her flew non-stop and this was his reply on whatsapp.

12.5 hours is quick.

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I'll add this to this post now.

Classic - I knew you'd find some flatties - glad it's your post, I was starting to get a bit freaked out on mine :)

They don't seem to grasp that waiting is different to flying...

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The planet earth is not flat

Because there are no straight lines in the universe.

ME: So the earth is flat you say?
FE: Yes, without a doubt!
ME: Are the sun and the moon flat too?
FE: him-haw, hee haw, blah blah blah

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You know what's even more disturbing than the flat earth theory. The 'no earth theory'. If for example you think that there is a high probability that we're living in a simulation, then technically you might be a no-earther!

The reason it's more disturbing than flat earth, is because it might be true. We'll start to consider these things more and more, when we begin to populate our video games with human like AI that can think and can communicate intellectually with "real world" players.

>"All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense." – A public service clarification by the Sri Syadasti School of Spiritual Wisdom, Wilmette. Principia Discordia

I find neither to be disturbing. A couple of things I do find mildly disturbing:
A) No curvature or motion has ever been detected or measured anywhere.
B) Billions of people operate under the assumption that it has been.

That bible verse doesn't have much to do with the roundness of the earth, but i do think the conversation you had in the beginning is hilarious.

I'm pretty sure that some christians believe that the earth rests on pillars or foundation. That's why I added it at the end.

I'm glad that you had a chuckle. My brother-in-law got quite worked up. I think he was in shock.

I think I'm in shock now... :)

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Great post mate. Can't argue with facts.
Y'know what though? It won't deter many of the flat earthers. I've spoken to a number over the past year or so and they can be unbelievably dogmatic
Even when you pose a question or produce evidence contrary to the flat earth 'theory' they're not having it.
It's a shame because 'flat earthers' are being compared to 9/11 truthers and other seriously legitimate truth seekers.
Hopefully this post will convince some of those on the fence and deter some who are considering researching this folly.

Well said mate. Both the truther and christian communities are being negatively impacted by the actions of the flat earthers. I believe that it is a psychological operation that far too many people have fallen for. I'm reminded of CIA memo 1035-960.

It's no secret that the CIA had a plan set forth where they planned to use disinformation on the public.
CIA director William Casey was famously quoted as saying......

>"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when eveverything the American public believes is false!"

They put it right in your face and still most folks don't have a clue.

I remember that quote. That sums it up quite well. I think it's a psyop.

Interesting!

For your first question: seeing a ship sail over the horizon is just a limit of your eyesight. Simply take a camera, zoom in on that location, and you will see the ship somehow "magically reappear from behind the horizon".

On your second point about flight times: ZERO of the google images you show are actual flight paths and times. Try looking on a site that actually shows correct information about flight times and patterns. Google maps is not one. Here's a post from ifers to help you understand this better:

Lets discuss the Flat Earth Map and Flights from South America to Australia. Many ignorant individuals and shills are claiming Flights from "Santiago Chile to Sydney Australia" won't work on the Flat Earth Map.

Here's why they're wrong:

From: Santiago,CL (SCL)
To: Sydney,AU (SYD)

Use "farecompare" to check Depart and Return dates, you will see that the first few Flights are bogus showing half the distance required; you will also NOTICE that QANTAS does not Service SCL, you must always change Planes in the United States.

Flight
LA 801 SCL to SYD 18:35 hours 1 stop AKL 7337 miles
UA 846 SCL to SYD 43:30 hpurs 2 stop IAH, SFO 13713 miles

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See the first flight, LA 801, claims one stop in 7337 miles; this is a bogus flight, created using averaged Miles and Speed based on Google Maps, not an actual Flight.

Flight UA 846
The Black-Line indicates the actual flight route with Stops; in "Huston, Texas" and "San Francisco, California".
The Green-Line shows what could be non-stop for something like the Military.

This mass of dis-info related to Flights originating out of South America has been a consolidated effort to discredit the Flat Earth you live on.

Ballers are going to bullshit, they already beLIEve about people living above and below them.

I have a friend that flies Sydney to Chile every few years. He spent 3 months there last year. I messaged him while he was away and casually asked about his flight.

I have another friend that has taken the same non-stop flight.

Well I guess it comes down to your viewers believing something a friend of yours texted you, or looking up actual flights on websites like:
www.flyertalk.com
www.flightradar24.com
farecompare.com ... theres plenty more.
If you're stuck on believing you live on a spinning ball because a friend of yours says a flight was shorter than possible, then you need to open your mind up a little more and do some actual research ( google maps doesn't count)

"Well I guess"

Jeepers you guess some bollocks...

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http://www.prokerala.com/travel/flight-time/from-sydney/to-santiago/

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> Well I guess it comes down to your viewers believing something a friend of yours texted you, or looking up actual flights on websites.

My friend, his wife and 10 children fly that route every couple of years. His parents live in Chile and he was born and raised there. He immigrated to Sydney, Australia as a young man. He is a church pastor and has no reason to lie to me. It's the only time that I have ever asked and I don't intend to ask him again. The quicker flight time is irrelevant to the topic. The fact that he has flown on this non-stop flight numerous times is relevant.

Furthermore, my other friend, her husband and 3 kids have also flown non-stop Sydney to Santiago. The husband is an engineer that accepted a 2 year contract in Chile. They have no reason to lie to me.

And, there are videos online of people on the actual flight, recording it for us.

If you don't believe that these flights are real and that people fly non-stop between Australia and Chile in approx 13-15 hours I don't know what to say other than to book a flight yourself and experience it firsthand.

I know that a lot of things are hidden from us and that some conspiracies are real but these southern hemisphere flights are not a conspiracy - they are real I'm afraid.

Maybe you believe a geocentric earth is more valid?

Have you ever seen a flying insect fly around the inside of a vehicle while it's moving?

I have!

Does that mean the earth is flat?

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Not at all!

special relativity!

Heck yeah! Gotta poke as many holes in this conspiracy as possible. We can't have children thinking the earth is flat. The U.S. doesn't need any more scientific regression.

I've been arguing with some dude about vaccines in this very thread. Luckily flat earth is a harmless conspiracy, but not getting your kids vaccinated harms everyone!

Oh man, I can't even argue with people about that anymore. It makes me anxious and my stomach hurt.

I believe in evidence, which often points to the earth being spherical.

Do you think gravity is a made up concept too?

What do you think stars are?

Is the moon also flat?

Are there thousands of faked pictures from space?

Is the international space station spinning around a pancake? (you can see the ISS through a telescope multiple times a day)

Do you have any real evidence the earth is flat?

I do have evidence, that's the only way to fully comprehend something and accept it as a fact. I'll answer all of your questions you have about this, but first, tell me your best proof of evidence that you live on a spinning ball.

If you live in the U.S., go outside and look at orion, or any easily identifiable constellations. Then go outside and look for it 8 hours later. It will be on the opposite side of the horizon, because earth is a sphere that is spinning.

Notice that the moon has phases. This is because the sun hits the moon at a different angle, while our angle relative to the moon stays the same. This is because the moon is a sphere, spinning around the earth.

Watch videos from the international space station. You will notice that the earth is a sphere.

Notice we have seasons. Notice seasons differ depending on where in the world you are. Seasons are caused by the axis at which the earth rotates. This is only possible if earth is a sphere.

Notice we have daytime and night time. This is because the earth is a sphere that is spinning while rotating around the sun.

Read about the universal law of gravity. There is a reason all planets are spherical (or ovular) as gravity is equal in all directions, thus objects attract to eachother in a spherical shape.

What is your best evidence that we don't live on a ball?

Not sure which of those was your best proof, most of them are nothing more than assumptions and beliefs; like watching edited and staged videos from nasa, or saying "notice we have day and night. This is because the earth is a sphere that is spinning" These laughable assumptions prove nothing more than you have a strong belief system.

But anyway, since you tried here's mine: The earth doesn't curve anywhere. Long distance photos of over 300 miles away have been taken at beaches, showing landmarks that should be cover by thousands of feet of curved water. If the Earth was a sphere 25,000 miles around, there would be a measurable curvature per foot. That measurement is 8 inches per mile squared as shown here
https://steemitimages.com/DQmeBxyQtehQij93SU5yc6Fs8WzDCvdpwyjKSiNJy8Z7r1o/FB_IMG_1498344837548.jpg

Seeing something more than 6 miles away that should be cover by more than a few feet of curved water is enough to tell that you are not on a ball with the specs that nasa gives you.
This was proven over one hundred years ago with the Bedford Level Experiment. I suggest you research this topic and many more instead of believing things like " oh there's day and night, so we must be on a spinning ball!"

Good to see you instantly rejected all my evidence as a "belief system"

Go look at the stars. They aren't some made up shit.

If your belief systems have come down to an excel spreadsheet with trash data you must have problems friend. You must live to argue.

Go buy a couple balloons and a gopro. You can easily see the curvature of earth.

oh the irony, they created fake flight paths exactly like what the Flat Earthers where using to discredit them and they are trying to use them to discredit FE.

Not to mention if the earth is flat, how do we have seasons. Great post btw.

so your saying the sun cant move higher or lower... on a flat plane ?

Saying the earth can't be a plane because of seasons is about as stupid as it gets. Try some research on the subject before you make yourself look like a fool again.

4D flat earth map not ae map

thanks. have a nice day

It's insane that we even have to argue this point in 2018. The internet can be dangerously influential with some people...

It sure can. As you can see in the comments there are people that are still holding on to this belief in the face of overwhelming evidence against it. Sadly, it's such a waste of people's time.

Yeah it is. It's fun arguing though, because you know you're right and anything they say continues to make them look even less intelligent.

The flat-earthers, one even in the comments here, say that they have evidence that makes more sense than our evidence for a round Earth. I think it makes more sense to them because it's not based on actual science or physics, it's based on much more simple concepts and preys on their ignorance.

That flat earth really is funny :D it will really violate the law of gravity. When you get throw a ball upward it will go to the center of the flat earth definitely!

There is no law of gravity. There is the theory of gravity, and there are problems with it.

Gravity is not anymore a theory because it is already proven by scientists.

Oh? When did this happen?

Lol, if there is no gravity, we are all floating.

See, there you jumped straight into ridiculous. Give this song a listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIT_SbigQ3c

Cute story, but that's not how things work. Try researching and experimenting instead of coming up with silly ideas that make no sense in the real world.

That will work surely because all things here on earth are pulled by the earths gravity towards its center. If and only if flat earth really exists. Since the gravity will pull at the center, if far from the center then you throw a ball upward, the gravity will pull the ball towards its center which causes the ball not to go back to you.

Some interesting analysis. Cogito ergo sum maybe it's all flat and the math works some how. I just figure lies that big not this many people would know about. Seems like eventually someone would prove it with smart phone or something if some ice wall or hollow earth or other stuff, but maybe you can make fake video of anything now. Who knows in this world of ours?

The world is more than a little bit crazy at times @fatkat. I think the powers that shouldn't be take great pleasure in watching us argue amongst ourselves about silly topics like flat earth while they carry on with their plans to keep us oppressed.

What are you doing that is more important than arguing silly topics? What makes this topic silly?

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Great post man. I work with a guy who believes the earth is flat and because I try to consider all possibilities I did spend a bit of time a few months ago looking into it and I can see why some people get sucked in. The funny thing is that because I didn't rudely or arrogantly dismiss his views and actually looked into it, most mornings people that sit near him in work walk past my desk and make stupid jokes implying that I am a flat earther, simply because I looked into it.

I'll forward this post to the my colleague to see if he has an answer for the flight times you point out in your post.

There are far more important things to be looking into than flat earth and you're right that it divides people and stops them from looking into other more important topics.

Thanks @jimbobbill. I wish you luck with the guy at work. I hope that he takes it seriously, many just seem to dismiss it and reply with 'but what about X'? On the surface I can see why some people may believe in a flat earth. They do have a few decent arguments to support the belief. But not nearly enough for me to change my position.

I did receive a reply from someone who doesn't believe the earth is flat but is open minded and likes to play devils advocate. He wrote the following...

>But that uses data about how quickly the planes are flying. If the planes were flying at different speeds they would be perfectly possible. If flat earthers don’t trust anyone who says the earth is round there is no way they would believe the data about how fast the planes are flying!

Well the southern hemisphere planes would need to be flying at over 1,000 mph (1,600 kmh) for that to work.

> If flat earthers don’t trust anyone who says the earth is round there is no way they would believe the data about how fast the planes are flying!

I think he is right.

Oh this debate lol
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Earth is Flat not surprised
Earth is sphere not surprised
This debate still goes on not surprised

Whatever the shape is babies are still dying from chemical poisoning
💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉💉
26 doses the first year of life ! No wonder we rank 34th in IMR

truthtrain

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@steemtruth have to a shout out today !!

That first pic almost answers my question about how thick the disc is?

Funny meme, though I must say vaccines causing autism is very much a disproven theory. Autism is a genetically inherited disorder... so nothing after birth can cause autism.

Chill with the vaccine shit.. vaccines save thousands if not millions of lives every year. You could be hurting someone's child in the future by promoting such a stupid conspiracy theory.

Opinions are like buttholes

1 cause of Autism

I will some it up for you.

Drug Thugs Big pHARMa Rockefeller Funded < Ignorant Doctors trusting LIARS > 26 doses of vaccines the first year of life >
Aluminum + Polysorbate 80> Over stimulated microglia and astrocytes
constantly pouring out pro inflammatory cytokines during the immunological programming of the brain >
Cytokine storm > Brain inflammation > Encephalopathy > Demyelination > Damage to the protective covering (myelin sheath) that surrounds
nerve fibers in your brain, optic nerves and spinal cord > Nerve impulses slow or even stop > Neurological problems > Oh it is just a
fever that is normal when neurotoxins cross the blood brain barrier > Just take tylenol >
Great deplete your glutathione which is necessary for the removal of heavy metals > Next well baby visit more doses > More Aluminum >
More activation > More inflammation More destruction > Autism.

Try building a house in a storm.

1 cause of Autism? Ignorant

Doctors trusting liars.
Any medical professional who believes that it is justified to inject neurotoxins, antibiotics, antigens, preservatives,
adjuvants, stabilizers, buffers, emulsifiers, polysorbate 80, aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde, live viruses, egg protein,
human DNA, human cell lines from aborted infants, and protein from human blood into any person to prevent any disease is
completely misguided, misinformed, deluded and ignorant of any logic regarding human health.

What do you think autistic kids have going on?
Neuroinflammation!
Neuroglial activation!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546155

truthtrain

I remember my first book on immunology

While I don't like big pharma companies vaccines are incredibly important. Do you understand herd immunity?

Trace amounts of aluminum do not cause autism. Virsuses are never alive. Doctors use human blood all the time. Ever heard of a transfusion? And antibiotics?

The odds of a vaccine causing autism or any other disorder is much less likely than obtaining a illness that you have not vaccinated for. While I normally don't care to argue over stupid conspiracy theories you should realize your words could potentially affect people.

Conditioning yourself to believe in such a way is hurting you and your followers.
If someone heeds your advice and decides not to vaccinate their children, and that child dies of whooping cough (or insert any other of the hundreds of preventable diseases) it is your fault.

You really want me to waste my time with you?

Herd immunity is a joke !
Vaccines do not immunize !

If a child dies guess what you are shit out of luck
The doctor or the manufacturers are NOT held responsible !
Good luck in court !
Do your research.
Read the package inserts .
Visit NVICP
VAERS

Inject diseases get diseases!
Cause and effect big difference !
Do you even know what causes disease ?
Have you researched vaccine production ? Or ingredients?

Think for yourself !
If you get sick it Is your fault and nobody else's!

I'm just informing people they have to choose for themselves .

Seems to me you need to freshen up on your studies .

My followers follow me for a reason
"The Truth"

Next you will say cow pus prevented small pox !
Yeah ok
And pimple pus prevents pimples !

Poison prevents poison ?
ICD-9 codes ring a bell?

MTHFR Gene mutation?

Mycoplasma ?

Encephalitis?

Ischemic Stroke?

I want to chat but you have researched for yourself
You are regurgitating big pHARMas lies !

Maybe research false claims act

Or death by medicine
FDA Approved

MMR = Live viruses
Good lord help him

I will pray

I have taken many biology classes, none of my professors have proclaimed that vaccines cause autism and I am certain they are a LOT smarter than you. They have proclaimed, however, that there are many people like you who think this way, perhaps because you would want to blame your child being autistic on something.

You are comparing vaccination to pimple pus used to prevent pimples. That is like saying eating your vomit will prevent the illness you have. It is not a fair comparison. You are very much assuming the conclusion when you say
>Herd immunity is a joke! Vaccines do not immunize!

Wanna give me some evidence for those statements?

Vaccines stimulate the body to create antibodies. Antibodies prevent illness. How do you think polio was eliminated?

You can site as many topics you want me to research as you want but I can't help but assume they have been tainted by this cancerous mindset. I am thinking for myself. No one is forcing me to think this way. The paranoid mindset you've attained is your ego reaching far beyond the limits of your intelligence.

The fact you are saying things like
>"think for yourself"
> "my followers follow me a reason"
>"do you even know what causes disease?"

leads me to believe you are in denial.

You should really listen to yourself.

Smarter than me?
You don't know who I am or who I know.
A license to practice medicine means what? People went to school to get a license to practice driving does that mean they are all good drivers?
I have my doctors and proof you have yours.
I don't need to be doctor in order to consider myself smart and capable enough to study and do research on my own. I don't need the endorsement of a medical establishment that teaches very little besides the trade of selling drugs. The science behind it is not very hard and any person with a decent amount of intelligence and common sense should have no issue with getting a grasp of it. I don't need a medical degree nor permission from anybody to indulge my curiosity and desire to learn and help myself and others. MD's don't have bigger brains than the rest of us mortals.
Sheesh, I just get irritated by people's ignorance and arrogance sometimes.
Science is in the wrong hands.

Rockefeller funded med school puppets.
Denial ? That's funny
good luck

I never claimed vaccines make someone instantly immune to a disease, or that T cells are the most common immune response. This is not the body works. I also never claimed to be smarter than you, or that doctors have bigger brains than you. I have taken multiple biology courses and the professors who have spent their lives studying biology are smarter than you. They are smarter than me too.

There is no reason you can't research for yourself. You cannot proclaim yourself an expert however, when it's pretty blatant that you're not. It almost seems like you are making stuff up at this point. You are the one being both ignorant and arrogant. You are the one who thinks he knows everything.

If you are unwilling to listen to my side of the argument I am not willing to listen to yours. I am well educated enough to know that vaccines causing autism is a massively unproven conspiracy theory.

You cannot claim that vaccinations do not help eradicate disease. How did small pox or polio get eradicated?

>This means that natural immune system affords 98% of the early response to an infectious disease agent, while the adaptive or memory-based protective response that vaccination seeks to stimulate represents only 2% of early response.

I wasn't claiming that we don't have immune systems. It makes sense that most pathogens are killed through your typical immune response. You have not given any evidence that vaccines do not play a crucial role in disease protection.

You continue to speak as though everything you say is fact. You are trapped inside the arrogance of your own mind, your ego.

Best of luck breaking out.

I did think like you once before
Times have changed! I have a group of over 6,000 people and growing.
I know some smart people helping with AIDS , cancer , Lyme and helping with Autism . I can give you thousands of references and stories but you will not listen . I been studying and writing for 25 years . Too many dead babies in my group from vaccination! SIDS
Paid compensation for death ! Paid meaning in court they won to prove death was from vaccination .
Autism from vaccination!
"Unavoidably Unsafe"

There are some 5,000 petitions alleging a causal link between certain vaccines and autism spectrum disorders that are currently pending in an omnibus proceeding in the Court of Federal Claims (Vaccine Court).
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

I Have 100's of testimonials to prove this ! We got agent orange out of a military vet in 24 hours ! Cured cancer in Breast cancer patient and found a nanobot!

I'm done here I could go ono and on

You have your mind made up
I changed my mind long time ago
I was once you !
Now it is me (truth train) vs big pHARMa that don't care about our well being
They just want us all on drugs

Example

Autistic conditions can result from acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) following MMR vaccination as held by the US Federal Court in the case of Bailey Banks. In his conclusion, US Federal Court Special Master Abell ruled that Petitioners had proven that the MMR had directly caused a brain inflammation illness called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) which, in turn, had caused the autism spectrum disorder PDD-NOS in the child:
The Court found that Bailey’s ADEM was both caused-in-fact and proximately caused by his vaccination. It is well-understood that the vaccination at issue can cause ADEM, and the Court found, based upon a full reading and hearing of the pertinent facts in this case, that it did actually cause the ADEM. Furthermore, Bailey’s ADEM was severe enough to cause lasting, residual damage, and retarded his developmental progress, which fits under the generalized heading of Pervasive Developmental Delay, or PDD [an autism spectrum disorder]. The Court found that Bailey would not have suffered this delay but for the administration of the MMR vaccine, and that this chain of causation was… a proximate sequence of cause and effect leading inexorably from vaccination to Pervasive Developmental Delay.
[Banks v. HHS (Case 02-0738V, 2007 U.S. Claims LEXIS 254, July 20, 2007)].

I didn't even talk about toxicology yet so you understand that why more boys get Autism than girls is because testosterone is an enhancer of mercury toxicity .

Maybe look over these
*10 autism/vaccine studies

"Although these increases may partly reflect ascertainment biases, an exogenous trigger could explain a significant portion of the reported increases in ASDs. It is hypothesized here that the introduction of the Hib conjugate vaccine in the US in 1988 and its subsequent introduction in Denmark and Israel could explain a substantial portion of the initial increases in ASDs in those countries. The continuation of the trend toward increased rates of ASDs could be further explained by increased usage of the vaccine, a change in 1990 in the recommended age of vaccination in the US from 15 to 2 months, increased immunogenicity of the vaccine through changes in its carrier protein, and the subsequent introduction of the conjugate vaccine for Streptococcus pneumoniae."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250

"This study is the first to report an association between virus serology and brain autoantibody in autism; it supports the hypothesis that a virus-induced autoimmune response may play a causal role in autism."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9756729

"Further, linear regression revealed that Varicella and Hepatitis A immunization coverage was
significantly correlated to autistic disorder cases. R software was used to calculate change points.
Autistic disorder change points years are coincident with introduction of vaccines manufactured using
human fetal cell lines, containing fetal and retroviral contaminants, into childhood vaccine regimens.
This pattern was repeated in the US, UK, Western Australia and Denmark. Thus, rising autistic disorder
prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells. "
http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042

"Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534/

"In conclusion, the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence favours acceptance that Hg exposure is capable of causing some ASDs."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436

"Many autistic children harbored brain myelin basic protein autoantibodies and elevated levels of antibodies to measles virus and measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine. Measles might be etiologically linked to autism because measles and MMR antibodies (a viral marker) correlated positively to brain autoantibodies (an autoimmune marker)--salient features that characterize autoimmune pathology in autism. Autistic children also showed elevated levels of acute-phase reactants--a marker of systemic inflammation."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758536

"Significantly increased adjusted (sex, age, vaccine type, vaccine manufacturer) risks of autism, speech disorders, mental retardation, personality disorders, thinking abnormalities, ataxia, and NDs in general, with minimal systematic error or confounding, were associated with TCV exposure.

It is clear from the results of the present epidemiological study and other recently published data associating mercury exposure with childhood NDs, additional ND research should be undertaken in the context of evaluating mercury-associated exposures, especially from Thimerosal-containing vaccines."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16807526

"Autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) also known as pervasive developmental disorders (PDD) are a behaviorally defined group of neurodevelopmental disorders that are usually diagnosed in early childhood. ASDs disproportionately affect male children. Mercury (Hg) a heavy metal, is widespread and persistent in the environment. Mercury is a ubiquitous source of danger in fish, drugs, fungicides/herbicides, dental fillings, thermometers, and many other products. Elevated Hg concentrations may remain in the brain from several years to decades following exposure. This is important because investigators have long recognized that Hg is a neurodevelopmental poison; it can cause problems in neuronal cell migration and division, and can ultimately cause cell degeneration and death. Case-reports of patients have described developmental regressions with ASD symptoms following fetal and/or early childhood Hg exposure, and epidemiological studies have linked exposure to Hg with an elevated risk of a patient being diagnosed with an ASD. Immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions similar to traits defining or associated with ASDs were reported following Hg intoxication with similarities extending to neuroanatomy, neurotransmitters, and biochemistry. "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628444

"the present study provides new epidemiological evidence supporting an association between increasing organic-Hg exposure from Thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and the subsequent risk of an ASD diagnosis."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24354891

"The question of what is leading to the apparent increase in autism is of great importance. Like the link between aspirin and heart attack, even a small effect can have major health implications. If there is any link between autism and mercury, it is absolutely crucial that the first reports of the question are not falsely stating that no link occurs. We have reanalyzed the data set originally reported by Ip et al. in 2004 and have found that the original p value was in error and that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder. Moreover, the hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that persons with autism may be less efficient and more variable at eliminating mercury from the blood."
http://m.jcn.sagepub.com/content/22/11/1308.abstract

Autism

91 + Peer Review Studies on dangers of vaccines
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html

Autism !!!

PUB MED STUDY : " Boys vaccinated ( with HEP B VACCINES ) as neonates had threefold greater odds for autism diagnosis compared to boys never vaccinated or vaccinated after the first month of life.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

Genetic markers and toxins in vaccines link to autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23576057

Heavy Metals in Hair Samples from Severely Autistic Children
http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/9/12/4486

Conjugate Vaccines may predispose children to autism disorders
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23576057

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

Causal relationship between vaccine induced immunity and autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883

Subtle DNA changes and the overuse of vaccines in autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

Mercury toxic encephalopathy manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560

Relation of mercury to high autism rates in boys
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16264412

Elevated levels of measles in children with Autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12849883

Abnormal MMR antibodies in children with autism
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

Tylenol, MMR and Autism - A parent survey study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18445737

Autism and mercury poisoning
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848

Hypothesis: conjugate vaccines may predispose children to autism spectrum disorders
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250

Rise in autism coincides with rise in vaccines
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
Right. Totally contradicts science!!

truthtrain

Autism 22 studies

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html

Another example in which you have given NONE ! And you studied and went to school ?

Vaccinating with human body parts can cause the recipient to produce antibodies to human tissue. Children produce antibodies to every component of the vaccine, and not simply the viruses. This can cause demylination of the nerves and auto-immune disorders. Children who have been vaccinated with MMR and later suffered autism have been found to have antibodies to their own brain tissue, and this may be a consequence of using foetal tissue in MMR. ‘Susana C. Silva, Catarina Correia and Astrid M. Vicente at the Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Oeiras, Portugal and colleagues studied the blood of a large sample of individuals - 171 patients, 191 parents and 54 healthy controls - and report that autistic patients are in fact characterised by presenting in their blood high levels of non-inherited antibodies against the body’s brain tissue.’ (Dr Catarina Amorim; Journal of Neuroimmunology; Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Observatório da Ciência e do Ensino Superior, Portugal; July 23, 2004).

More

The MMR and inflammation of the brain. Dr. Harold Buttram has written about the MMR vaccine's potential link to autism, due to the vaccine's potential to cause brain inflammation. He explains:

"First and perhaps foremost, MMR is incubated in chick embryo culture medium, which necessarily includes precursors of all the organ systems of the chick, including myelin basic protein. Merck Pharmaceuticals, which produces MMR vaccine, claims that all traces of the chick embryo are removed before the vaccine is released for use.

This may be true, but it is probably irrelevant as it does not take into account the process of mobile genetic elements, more commonly referred to as "jumping genes." Viruses being made up entirely of genetic material, they are highly susceptible to this process.

It has been shown that viruses are genetically changed by accepting genetic material from cell cultures.' The genetic imprint of the chick myelin basic protein, which is foreign to the human system because of its chick origin, may be programmed to induce antibodies against human myelin basic protein, once injected into the human system.

This in turn, potentially resulting in encephalitis."

If you don't want to take his word for it, take a look at the package insert for Merck's MMR vaccine, which, on page seven, lists encephalitis as a potential side effect. Type 2 diabetes (diabetes mellitus) is another, along with a number of other potentially life altering conditions. Rarely, if ever, will your pediatrician calmly inform you of these reported side effects, which is why you'd be wise to read through the vaccine manufacturer product inserts as part of your own personal research, prior to vaccination.

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

MERCK Warns us
http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain-spinal-cord-and-nerve-disorders/brain-infections/encephalitis

DTaP (Tripedia)

‘Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, ((encephalopathy)), hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.’

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm101580.pdf

As a potential connecting link between vaccines, brain inflammation, and autism, Diana Vargas and colleagues (2005) examined the brains from autopsies of 11 autistic patients ranging in ages from 5 to 44 years, in which they found the presence of extensively activated microglia and astrocytes (the brain’s immune cells) along with proinflammatory cytokines.

Normally dormant, the microglia and astrocytes can become very destructive when overstimulated for prolonged periods of time, which vaccine adjuvants are designed to bring about. As with the Pourcyrous study, it was the first study of its kind, clearly documenting a significant association between autism and brain inflammation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15546155/

IMPORTANT
The Pourcyrous Study: A Major Milestone in Medical History

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/01/vaccines-and-brain-inflammation/

“NOTHING"
should interfere with the immunologic programming, especially during the first three years of life. Normal brain development depends on the baby maintaining a non-inflammatory state. Vaccines drive excessive inflammation and can derail normal brain development

Immune Activation
http://vaccinepapers.org/scientific-papers-library/

The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

truthtrain

One more
Because I can post for hours

AUTISM ?

Contamination from VACCINES!
Remember they are ALL contaminated

You will remember this conversation one day I promise

The worldwide increase in the diagnosis of autism and autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) together with increasing reports of a regressive onset has caused many to argue that the condition should no longer be viewed as solely, or even mainly, genetic in origin, environmental factors must be implicated, particularly those of bacterial or viral genesis. Pathogenic substances entering the bodies and/or bloodstream (vaccination) of developing children merit consideration and investigation in the search for causation.
The witness and evidence of parents may provide persuasive clues.

Mitochondrial Disorder
In the United States, in a landmark judgement, it was decreed that a child (Hannah Poling) had developed autistic symptoms following multiple vaccinations, including MMR.
―What's unique about Hannah's case is that for the first time federal authorities conceded a connection between her autistic symptoms and the vaccines she received, though the connection is by no means simple. A panel of medical evaluators at the Department of Health and Human Services concluded that Hannah had been injured by vaccines — and recommended that her family be compensated for the injuries. The panel said that Hannah had an underlying cellular disorder that was aggravated by the vaccines, causing brain damage with features of autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
In Hannah‘s case, the vaccine court determined that the underlying dysfunction of her mitochondria puts her at an increased risk of injury from vaccines‖. (35)
Interestingly, there is scientific information available to show that Mitochondrial disease is common in autistic patients and that Mycoplasmas affect the function of mitochondria. In fact Mycoplasma infection competes with the mitochondria and infects the cells containing mitochondria and the mitochondria themselves. (36) (37)
Mitochondrial malfunction can be a symptom of Mycoplasma infection!

1. Huffington Post article. David Kirby author. 02/25/08 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88323.html
2. Mitochondrial Disease in Autism Spectrum Disorder Patients: A Cohort Analysis Weissman JR, et al. (2008). PLoS ONE 3(11): e3815. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0003815
3. Stephen Harrod Buhner, Healing Lyme Disease Infections. ISBN 978-162055-008-3

Recent research in the United States has revealed that decreased tryptophan metabolism which may alter brain development, neuroimmune activity and mitochondrial function, was found in patients with ASD.(59)

>You will remember this conversation one day I promise

Do you think it will one day be uncovered that vaccines cause autism? It won't.

I am sorry you have this mindset. It will clearly never be changed. Good luck keeping your sanity

Been uncovered
Proved it !
People have been compensated in court.
Do you even read what I have provided?
I don't need luck I have knowledge and understanding

If you had immunity from vaccination you wouldn't need a booster shot right?
Memory cells are slow learners just like provaxxers

What if the response is to slow?

A single bacterium with a doubling time of one hour can produce almost 20 million progeny, a full-blown infection, in a single day.

If the "so called" diphtheria vaccine, which is in fact a toxoid, works against the toxin produced by the bacteria, and not against the bacteria itself, then how did this "vaccine" help in the decline in diphtheria?

Antibodies against poison do not constitute an immunization.

University of Chicago researchers found that Memory T cells are “distressingly slow learners”, requiring “several generations” of intensive stimulation to make a lasting impression on T cells “No vaccine trial to date has been able to produce significant numbers of memory T lymphocytes...”

The Pasteur Institute found that “98% of the immune responses triggered at the early stages of infection are non specific. These non specific responses had been observed following different infections by viruses, bacteria, parasites and fungi.” This means that natural immune system affords 98% of the early response to an infectious disease agent, while the adaptive or memory-based protective response that vaccination seeks to stimulate represents only 2% of early response.

The study, entitled “B cell maintenance of subcapsular sinus macrophages protects against a fatal viral infection independent of adaptive immunity,” examined mice that had been infected with vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV). The results of the experiment were quite surprising to the scientists. As Dr. Ulrich H. von Andrian of Harvard Medical School stated, “Mice infected with vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV) can suffer fatal invasion of the central nervous system even when they have a high concentration of anti-VSV antibodies in their system. This observation led us to revisit the contribution of adaptive immune responses to survival following VSV infection.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22386268/

I will say it again
Antibodies do not determine immunity any immunologist should know this.
Science and their assumptions,
All that the presence of antibodies in a person means is that the person has come into contact with a particular pathogen, it does not mean that they have immunity.
Antibodies are just ONE part of the immune system response.........maybe antibodies meant something after experiencing a disease as antibody titres were there AS WELL as the rest of the immune response (which isn't measured). But in vaccines antibodies just mean exposure and do NOT mean the immune system went through all it needed to to give lasting immunity or any immunity.

By the way, (vaccine) research has found that IgA antibodies are a much better indication of immunity than IgG antibodies, but when you have gone through the infection naturally (i.e. the antigen has entered through the natural portals of entry), both would be present anyway. When you inject the vaccine ingredients directly into the system, however, you basically bypass the production of IgA, which is another reason why we know immunologically that vaccines are ineffective. Indeed it is the quiet realization of this significant error that is prompting efforts to produce vaccines that are inhaled instead of injected, e.g. the 'flu vaccine (though they will still be pointless and contain harmful ingredients).

It has been theorized by some that vaccines overstimulate the humoral immune response (which incorporates the production of antibodies) at the expense of the other major part of the immune system - the cell-mediated immune response (the production of T cells). I would say that even this is being too kind to vaccines, because it clearly does not even stimulate a normal humoral immune response. The immune system is very complex and with important inter-relationships between its components. The development of immunity requires many processes to occur and complete, requiring the whole team work of all the required immune system components. This simply will not occur other than when the body contracts the infection naturally, and this is only when IT, THE BODY, wants to, not when man wants it to

Abnormal entrance =
Abnormal immune response.

You need to study immunology

INFORMING THE MASSES - A short list of some of the abuses against @Noganoo by Satanic whales on Steemit.

For those of you who are unaware @Noganoo was sexually abused when he was 5 years old.   Bernie Sanders learned this from Fyrstikken whom Noganoo trusted and confided in and then was betrayed and slandered by Fyrstikken whom Noganoo brought to Steemit.   Noganoo only requested that Fyrstikken send back the 10 Bitcoins he stole from SatoshiHorizon through his “altcoin investment fund.” Noganoo stood up against Bernie's flag abuse towards SeaBlue which caused the war that you are seeing today.   Bernie swore to destroy Noganoo because Noganoo defended the helpless minnows on Steemit.   Below are just a few of the terrible insults they have spoken against this Christian man.   Please visit @Noganoo's blog and support and encourage him through these demonic attacks as his old friends have forsaken him.   Not only do these people verbally attack Noganoo but they antagonize him until he responds in anger, then they sent the FBI to his house for "threatening."   Noganoo has requested to all of the whales on steemit directly for them to speak to these 2 fraudsters and tell them to stop.   Not a word was said in one year and now he is resorting to further action.   The abuse will stop.   If you have any information as to the identity or whereabouts of BernieSanders or Pfunk please contact abuse@steem.in.   There is a substantial reward and you can remain anonymous.   Noganoo is unable to file a restraining order against these 2 until he finds their identity.   BernieSanders is a pedophile and should not be rewarded with upvotes on Steemit.

First of all let's go back to before this all started.   Noganoo was investigating the fraud and theft of 10s of millions of dollars of rewards by Donkeypong, Gavvet, Sauravrungta, HanshotFirst, Kevinwong, The-Alien, JrCornel, Sweetsssj and Knozaki2015 with their organization called "SteemGuild" where they used the Steemit Co-founder Ned's account to vote for themselves instead of the "minnows" they claimed to be supporting.   Go look at all of their current account values and you can see that over 1 year ago Noganoo was right! They paid themselves multi-millions for only a couple months of curating on Steemit. Something the rest of us do for free.   You can see that these people and their friends are the only people who have ever attacked Noganoo.   They are trying to cover up their theft.   If you go back on the blockchain you can see Noganoo's accounts previously supported most of these authors with his thousand bot voters early on in the platforms launch.   https://steemd.com/@sweet-banana?page=17     Then Noganoo called out The-Alien for his common use of the word "Motherfucker" in his fiction stories that were upvoted by their "Steemguild" to number one on trending every day to "raise money for the guild."   Fact is they stole millions of dollars.   This rebuke prevented Noganoo from ever getting an upvote from that guild which controlled over 30% of the voting power on Steemit at the time.

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Sorry, I should have said "Go fuck your cousin." (again)
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Here is Pfunk attacking Noganoo's girlfriend.
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Here Bernie tries to twist the truth and calls him an "incestuous criminal."   Bernie is trying to convince the unknowing public that Noganoo is a sex criminal.
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I'll save you a spot beside me in hell to torment you with incestuous dick art for all eternity.
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I'm pretty sure (noganoo) was molested by somone in the church.
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Incestuous Scumbag, I bet the abuse never even happened and you are trying to gain sympathy
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Here is Pfunk 2 years ago violently attacking an article Noganoo wrote about Christianity,   Pfunk at the time had no idea Noganoo wrote this!   Pfunk is a hater of true Christians but aligns himself with the fake Christians so he can get more witness votes and doesn't lose support.   Pfunk proceeded to individually message everyone that upvoted Noganoo and slander him and threaten them with loss of support if they continue to upvote his articles.   Pfunk, Berniesanders and Ausbitbank costed Noganoo over 50,000 dollars in losses last year.   Ausbitbank attacked Noganoo to impress his witness friends when Noganoo is the one who brought him to Steemit.   He brought Noganoo’s reputation from 68 down to zero with stolen Steempower provided by JamesC
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The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. - John 1:5

@noganoo is an incestuous scumbag who had sex with his cousin! Flag that piece of worthless shit, or, give him a call at (715) 421-0375 and say Hello!

INFORMING THE MASSES - A short list of some of the abuses against @Noganoo by Satanic whales on Steemit.

For those of you who are unaware @Noganoo was sexually abused when he was 5 years old.   Bernie Sanders learned this from Fyrstikken whom Noganoo trusted and confided in and then was betrayed and slandered by Fyrstikken whom Noganoo brought to Steemit.   Noganoo only requested that Fyrstikken send back the 10 Bitcoins he stole from SatoshiHorizon through his “altcoin investment fund.” Noganoo stood up against Bernie's flag abuse towards SeaBlue which caused the war that you are seeing today.   Bernie swore to destroy Noganoo because Noganoo defended the helpless minnows on Steemit.   Below are just a few of the terrible insults they have spoken against this Christian man.   Please visit @Noganoo's blog and support and encourage him through these demonic attacks as his old friends have forsaken him.   Not only do these people verbally attack Noganoo but they antagonize him until he responds in anger, then they sent the FBI to his house for "threatening."   Noganoo has requested to all of the whales on steemit directly for them to speak to these 2 fraudsters and tell them to stop.   Not a word was said in one year and now he is resorting to further action.   The abuse will stop.   If you have any information as to the identity or whereabouts of BernieSanders or Pfunk please contact abuse@steem.in.   There is a substantial reward and you can remain anonymous.   Noganoo is unable to file a restraining order against these 2 until he finds their identity.   BernieSanders is a pedophile and should not be rewarded with upvotes on Steemit.

First of all let's go back to before this all started.   Noganoo was investigating the fraud and theft of 10s of millions of dollars of rewards by Donkeypong, Gavvet, Sauravrungta, HanshotFirst, Kevinwong, The-Alien, JrCornel, Sweetsssj and Knozaki2015 with their organization called "SteemGuild" where they used the Steemit Co-founder Ned's account to vote for themselves instead of the "minnows" they claimed to be supporting.   Go look at all of their current account values and you can see that over 1 year ago Noganoo was right! They paid themselves multi-millions for only a couple months of curating on Steemit. Something the rest of us do for free.   You can see that these people and their friends are the only people who have ever attacked Noganoo.   They are trying to cover up their theft.   If you go back on the blockchain you can see Noganoo's accounts previously supported most of these authors with his thousand bot voters early on in the platforms launch.   https://steemd.com/@sweet-banana?page=17     Then Noganoo called out The-Alien for his common use of the word "Motherfucker" in his fiction stories that were upvoted by their "Steemguild" to number one on trending every day to "raise money for the guild."   Fact is they stole millions of dollars.   This rebuke prevented Noganoo from ever getting an upvote from that guild which controlled over 30% of the voting power on Steemit at the time.

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Sorry, I should have said "Go fuck your cousin." (again)
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Here is Pfunk attacking Noganoo's girlfriend.
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Here Bernie tries to twist the truth and calls him an "incestuous criminal."   Bernie is trying to convince the unknowing public that Noganoo is a sex criminal.
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I'll save you a spot beside me in hell to torment you with incestuous dick art for all eternity.
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I'm pretty sure (noganoo) was molested by somone in the church.
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Incestuous Scumbag, I bet the abuse never even happened and you are trying to gain sympathy
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Here is Pfunk 2 years ago violently attacking an article Noganoo wrote about Christianity,   Pfunk at the time had no idea Noganoo wrote this!   Pfunk is a hater of true Christians but aligns himself with the fake Christians so he can get more witness votes and doesn't lose support.   Pfunk proceeded to individually message everyone that upvoted Noganoo and slander him and threaten them with loss of support if they continue to upvote his articles.   Pfunk, Berniesanders and Ausbitbank costed Noganoo over 50,000 dollars in losses last year.   Ausbitbank attacked Noganoo to impress his witness friends when Noganoo is the one who brought him to Steemit.   He brought Noganoo’s reputation from 68 down to zero with stolen Steempower provided by JamesC
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The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. - John 1:5

i just want to know this
in a flat earth how will there be a day and night if the sun is always up like they say there will be always day

Great work... Atleast this will serve as part of evidence that the geologist are enlughten us more about how the earth looks like and given us detailed about the description

let me assure you that after more than 30 years of stellar travel that not only is the Earth quite round, but so are all of our celestial bodies! Once you do finally travel to space and look back you will know this without a doubt.

Your beliefs in an ancient religion does not assure me of your silly ideas at all.
However, proofs of evidence do. So what's your best proof that you live on a spinning ball?

Well, @ponts , there are many ways to illustrate to you that we are living on a round spinning celestial globe.. Let me try to illuminate some of them.

1. When you compare the macrocosm with the microcosm, you discover that there are striking similarities in form and function. We see the same patterns and shapes in the smallest things as we do the biggest. For example the orbits of electrons around protons and neutrons in an atom are very much like the movement of planets, stars, solar systems and galaxies. There are a thousand examples of this when we look at nature and the universe.

Now, let me ask you .. have you ever heard of a flat molecule? Have you noticed how the cells that make up our bodies are round and never flat. Molecules are all three dimensional, made from round atoms and elements .. there is nothing flat in the micro-verse, and conversely we can deduce that the same must be so for the macro-verse. Planets and starts are all round and very bulbous indeed.

1. If I was able to explain the mathematics and physics of celestial bodies, and the effect of a spin on shape, you would understand instantly that a spinning flat object is an unheard of phenomenon! It is simply impossible due to the most basic laws of Newtonian physics.

2. I have been exploring this galaxy for decades, and have landed on countless planets, in almost the same way that your astronauts do. When you make an approach to a globe, it is quite obvious what the shape is, and our calculations are all based upon a round globe rather than a flat circle. If this was not the case, your space ships would have crashed many times trying to land.

I hope this goes at least some way in explaining things for you. I always salute those who challenge the truth, even in the face of great adversity or dogma. It is that earnest search that can uncover some of the greatest knowledge and mis-truths about life itself.

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― Jean-Luc Picard

Your proofs are nothing more than assumptions! You are assuming that Earth is a globe because of how atoms work. You assume the Earth is a spinning globe because a spinning flat object doesn't make sense. ( this one made me giggle) THE EARTH IS STILL NOT SPINNING! And your third point is just silly nonsense that holds no proof of evidence, just like your other points. STOP ASSUMING THINGS! They show nothing more than you believe in fairy tales. We all know you haven't been flying around space landing on planets, so stop making things up, you just look like a fool now saying you have landed on countless planets. Thanks for the laugh though, must be fun to play make believe.

Let me assure you young man, you have NO idea where or When i came from. I am indeed from the future and have come back here to assist many people.

I can feel from your comment that you seem quite angry. I believe this is limiting you from hearing the truth.

We have to trust our instincts and use our discernment to know the truth. Our feelings and intuition are our most valuable attributes, and yet you seem to place no value on them..

I have given You proof, but you have rejected it. This is despite it being the greatest proof i could have ever offered you (within the prime directive) . If you calm and open your mind though Vulkan (or other) meditation practice I believe you would benefit greatly.

Be Humble, Life Long & Prosper
JL

Last night I spent a long time reading this post and the comments/discussions it has generated with great interest. Respect to the FE proponents and the energy some of you have put in over here, and respect to those who engaged with them on a serious, if at times hillariously flippant, level (sure paradoxes exist and meet :). I am replying to @cpt.picard's comment here as one of the points he made really stands out to me as relevant:
> When you compare the macrocosm with the microcosm, you discover that there are striking similarities in form and function.

The circle or spherical shape is basic, elementary and natural. It goes back to the beginning of time, where there was nothing - '0' or even a dot, a round circle full-stop of infinite potentiality and non-form. The circle or sphere has great internal cohesion and also has a special relationship with all the other fundamental shapes, bounding them within it. It can represent infinity - without a beginning or end point (or with ALL points being beginning and end points - an infinity of them!). That the circle or spere is the natural shape of planets, stars etc seems therefore logical to me.

However, one thing I do know is that appearances ARE deceptive. This may indeed be a simulation and there is a lot to indicate that we do project our own realities. I think that over and above the appearance of 'littleness' and 'victimhood' we experience, there is an infinity of creator potentiality in all of us, without exception! Literally, there may be room in this mulit-dimensional universe for both flat and round - and also no-earth realities, none of which are ultimately real.

That there are still people who debate whether or not the earth is round or flat still blows my mind. Like, have they not seen photos from the space station? Good post! :)

Very interesting article!
I’ve heard of people believing that the earth is flat and apparently there are a lot! But I’ve never spoken to someone who does believe this! I’m curious how they would argue!

Mind is like god, it can generate own logic for any outlandish idea and justify anything.

one just have to believe in it (like the flat earth theory), and the mind will create logic to justify everything and deny any other logic to override it until one lets it go.

And by the way people forget the duty that they need to perform in politics during their lives and leave it to others, that is the reason most people talk about governments as something alien.

We are the government, it has not fallen from the sky. those who don't believe in the government can venture into politics and try to take control, Don't expect it to be easy and fair though, it will take time and persistence to make some mark like any other field,

One can deny everything as government conspiracy, if we are believing government to be alien and out of our reach.

"Be the change you want to see."

I have not done enough research on this topic, but your question and points are well thought out. I myself would like to know the answer to so I will pass your article on to a flat-earther and see what he says. Interesting article. Thank-you!

I'm glad you enjoyed the article. It will be interesting to see what the flat earther has to say.

I will let you know!

Very smart post. Very truthful. The Earth is obviously round

So obvious it is still being debated.

Im a fan of science too ^_^

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I remember coming across a great article against the flat Earth on a YouTube video somewhere that I probably would never be able to find again, so this argument isn't mine, but I'll share it anyway;

Given a flat Earth, the length of each line of longitude, if measured linearly, will be longer than the ones further north ("inward" on the flat Earth) from it, whereas on a globe, the lengths will increase until you get to the equator, then start decreasing again.

So a flat Earther could prove their case by picking two lines of latitude, one north of the equator and one south of it - let's say the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn - and measuring their distance as they circumnavigate them. If the Earth is flat, the southern latitude line will always be significantly longer than the northern one.

Go for it, flat Earthers.

informative post, for all I learn in our country's history books that the belief of flat earth was ended during Magellan's world travel. His life had also stopped after being killed by our brave village leader. No matter which is really true if the earth is flat or spherical, but the clear truth is that the earth is so beautiful to live with.

Fantastic post and great comments. I agree on the divisiveness this has caused. Which is more important? The shape of the planet, or the fact that we live in an immoral, mind-controlled, involuntary "society", where fear and scarcity rule? Upvoted and followed. Great work!

Thank you and well said. I'm already following you ;)

Good Point, Thanks For Sharing! FOLLOWING YOU!!

You are trying to debunk a red-herring flat earth map. It's irrelevant. To prove the Earth isn't flat, it's 100% simple........Where is the curvature? Prove curvature, and you win.

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YES! - you have just proved the earth is flat!

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Finding fault with the AE map does not in any way "put flat earth to bed". My instinct is to not flag this bullshit just in case you really are here to have a conversation.

With $8 in your wallet you better go with that instinct! :)

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The problem is you are not here to have a conversation, you are here to squash it. Science is not a popularity contest.

You provide some science and we can discuss it...

Make observations.
Propose a hypothesis.

The earth is a sphere

Design and perform an experiment to test the hypothesis.

Look out of the window of a plane

Analyze your data to determine whether to accept or reject the hypothesis.

Checks out

If necessary, propose and test a new hypothesis.

I'm happy with it

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So when I looked out the plane window and held the edge of a SkyMall catalogue up to a flat horizon at eye level, how was I supposed to see proof of a sphere? Observation: You made a claim you have no hope of ever proving.

You would be an expert at that so you must be right...

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Will this do?

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-students-breathtaking-curvature-earth-high-altitude.html

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If you took that picture yourself then we have something to talk about. Otherwise, you have been ignoring previous points.

This is the strangest exchange I've ever had on Steemit - there is probably a label for what you are doing.

Have you considered pro wrestling?

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Is it so hard to consider the possibility that you might be wrong? Have you always been right about everything?

Have you?

I have to quit now, you win :)

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Well, I hope we all learned something.

whatever shape it is, I don't give a fuck. I care about making it a better place for suffering little children, the victimized, the poor, the hopeless etc. I care about doing my own part no matter how small and so should you.

FE is designed to be a distraction. You would do well to stay away from it and focus on the far more important issues that you have pointed out. I do not intend to keep writing about FE. I just wanted to get this one post on the blockchain in the hope that it would be helpful to others. Thanks for your input.

It is possible that GE was designed to be a distraction, and the current FE distraction is organized around a fabrication as impossible as the original distraction, but to distract us from examining the original while at the same time discrediting itself.

With all due respect I think you are reading too much into it and complicating it. I'm not picking a fight, just how I see it.

I read no more than what is available, and I respect your opinion. If you weren't trying to pick a fight you might have titled this post less provocatively. ;)

Fair enough ;)

Theoretically your theory is possible. I just don't see evidence for it. Thanks for being a good sport.

I was never a flat Earther. Been down this ole' rabbit hole and climbed out although it led to some interesting things such as the 1000 yr old Buddhist map that shows much more land than we actually know of on the earth. Some map maker back then trippin' on shrooms? The gooberment put it out to make us go a searchin'? I don't know? How bout the scientist Neil Degrasse Tyson's comment on how the Earth is not round but rather an oblate spheroid or pear shaped being smaller at the top and fatter below the equator? I can understand the Earth spinning at a 100 miles per hour, gravity and all that jazz with it being totally "round" but how's all this supposed to actually fly being pear shaped? Beats me... I just live here on this so called mudball. I stay out of that rabbit hole as it really leads nowhere fast but I have determined that The Earth is indeed shaped like a staircase and we're all living beneath the bottom step........... in the dark. I digress but I did enjoy!

I have a couple of questions also. First, how thick is the earth. We know that oil drilling rigs go down past 25,000 feet (5 miles). Granted this is done through directional drilling so it's not straight down. Also if the earth is a disc, what's on the flip side and why haven't we explored it?

A depth in the vicinity of 8 mi has been claimed to be the record. As to why we haven't explored it, only you can answer why you haven't explored it. Some say they have, and we get stories of a hollow earth and the underworld.

Nothing to explore... The Earth is round contrary to what the Mental Defective League says!

Proof of that statement is easier to imagine than produce. If you have any, this might be a good place to present it. Before you do you might want to read through some old debates on the topic and know how every argument you are considering has concluded.

You must be really smart... a legend in your own mind!

Everyday I interact with idiots and geniuses - I feel quite average. Kinda like your responses.

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i can't believe how many morons still push this flat earth junk.

I can believe how many retards fall for the heliocentric lie when there's literally no proof of evidence for it.

Correction, this is the most popular flat earth map in existence. It is the flag of the United Nations.

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Time travels slower as you approach the edges of the flat earth.. time is all relative. Therefore, the earth is flat.

Time travels slower at the bottom of a Steemit post, therefore Steemit is Facebook...

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What's a more relevant question is why do people believe in a flat earth? I'd really like to know. This groups existence discredits all movements that do not trust established institutions of knowledge. Crazy is a spectrum, some crazy is necessary for growth, if not no institutions of power and knowledge would have been toppled and we'd still be in the dark ages. Too much, and well, we have this worthless debate sucking millions of collective hours from humanity.

My personal opinion is that FE is a psyop that has tricked some truthers and christians into believing it.

Obama, when replying a climate change skeptic replied 'this is not a meeting of the flat earth society'.

Obama directed people to the FE Society and labelled anyone questioning climate change in with flat earthers. This reminds of CIA Memo 1035-960 where they weaponized the term 'conspiracy theory' to attack anyone questioning the JFK assassination. It is an effective that has worked for them in the past and they are using it again only know they have switched it to FE.

The FE Society looks like a psyop front to me. Their theories are easy to debunk and I believe that is by design. Nowadays, when people mention a conspiracy some people reply with 'you probably believe in flat earth as well'.

This is designed to discredit the conspiracy theory that is being discussed and associate it with FE.

Very interesting article :)

Awww man, the earth's not flat?!?!?
Good read!

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Figure 1 is popularly agreed upon, and is presented as the obvious correct answer in a multiple choice A or B and there is no C scenario. The problem with Figure 2: while that map has grown in popularity, it has been in no way accepted by all who would deny a globe model as an accurate representation of a flat earth.

Their answer to the flight paths is that GPS is fake also, and the earth is a lot smaller than people are being led to believe it is by GPS... I used to watch some videos on youtube about it, gotta admit some points are intriguing but it's just too much, goes against everything humans have built upon until now, math, science, such a scheme would not only require NASA but also every other country in the world to be participating in to deceive the people of earth.

This may surprise you but I believe that every nation in the world is already controlled by the same group. I have shared small elements of this in some of my posts but I am yet to do a comprehensive expose and explain why I believe this.

It is a very heavy topic that requires many hours to succinctly compose and a very difficult one for most people to wrap their head around, let alone accept. It seemingly contradicts much of what we have been told throughout our lives.

The deception is greater than most people believe it to be imho. I'm not trying to be provocative, just sharing my opinion. I will try to expand on this belief with a post in the not too distant future. I've wanted to blog about this for some time but I have a few other topics that I need to cover first.

There is a lot that we will never know and there are too many rabbit holes to look down. Sharing what we know with each other can help all of to reach a higher level of awareness and bring us one step closer to the truth.

I've written about the Flat Earth hypothesis recently. What bugs me the most is how they can keep such a huge conspiracy that requires the cooperation of pretty much every nation in secret?

Would love to know what you think.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

💥In my opinion, it would require strong delusion to be induced into believing flat earth stuff. Very sobering to think; and so many people are complacent about sin.💥

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

💥In my opinion, it would require strong delusion to be induced into believing flat earth stuff. Very sobering to think; and so many people are complacent about sin.💥